WWI Digest 300 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Books by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 2) Re: Books by "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" 3) Re: WW1 Books for sale by Howard Rifkin 4) Re: Large Scale kits by t_eisen@ix.netcom.com (Thomas Eisenhour) 5) Question by meba@cso.com 6) Saturday, 21 October 1916, Cazaux by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 7) Eduard Albatros D.V by meba@cso.com 8) Re: WWI Movie Reviews by bciciora@wwa.com 9) re: Fokker Dr.1 Turquoise by Jack Berlien 10) Re: Eduard Albatros D.V by Rob 11) Re: Re[4]: Reference Material by Rob 12) Re: Movie reviews by "Shelley Goodwin" 13) Re: Movie reviews by Carlos Valdes 14) Re: Books by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 15) Re: Fokker Eindecker trivia by Charles_A._Duckworth@notes.up.com (Charles A. Duckworth) 16) Temp. Off-Line by Brian Nicklas 17) by Peter Fedders 18) re: Rigging by Jack Berlien 19) re: Rigging by Rob 20) Re: Large Scale kits by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 21) Re: Books by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 22) Re: Temp. Off-Line by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 23) Re: Books by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 24) Re: Eduard Albatros D.V by "Valenciano . Jose" 25) Fokker D V111 by roger belanger 26) Re: IPMS Quterly & Updates by roger belanger 27) Re: Eduard Albatros D.V by roger belanger 28) Re: Eduard Albatros D.V by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 29) Fokker D V111 lozenge by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 01:13:01 -0700 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Re: Books Message-ID: <326B308D.F05@host.dmsc.net> Alberto Rada wrote: > > I have the opportunity of purchasing these books, but know very little > about them, can you give me any comment on the ones you have read ? > I will much appreciate it, just to spend the money where it is worth. I'll let the experts comment on the intrinsic worth of these, but I can mention something about a few of these in terms of monetary worth: > > Apostolo & Abate .- CAPRONI NELLA PRIMA GUERRA MONDIALE > Biddle, C.J. .- THE WAY OF THE EAGLEBattery Press has a nice hardback reprint of this for about $20-$25. It's a classic account by a pilot in the US Air Service. An original edition would worth far more. > Gann, E. .- IN THE COMPANY OF EAGLESThis is a novel and, to my untutored, uncritical mind, a pretty fair one. I'm reading it for the third time right now in fact-- however, it was a book club special at one time, so you should be able to pick up a hardback with dust jacket for about $5-$7. Don't pay more than that for it. > Hammerton J. WAR IN THE AIR > Isaacs, K. .- MILITARY AIRCRAFT OF AUSTRALIA 1909 - 1918 > Kennett, L .- THE FIRST AIR WAR > Longstreet, S. .- THE CANVAS FALCONSThis seems a pretty fair general history to me-- currently available in hardback with dust jacket for about $20-$25 in remainder catalogues. Don't pay more than that for it. > McCudden, J. FLYING FURYObviously worth having! I'd love one myself-- but no idea about editions & prices. Surely someone on this list knows about this one. > Platt, F.C. .- GREAT BATTLES OF WWI > Pulitzer, R. OVER THE FRONT IN AN AEROPLANE > Rolt-Wheeler, F. .- THE WONDER OF WAR IN THE AIR > Schaedel, C. .- MEN AND MACHINES OF THE AUSTRALIAN FLYING CORPS 1914-19 > Saith, F.E. A KILLING FOR THE HAWKSQuite sure this is a novel-- though it's been 20 yrs since I read it. Anyway, you shouldn't pay much for it. > Springs E. W. NOCTURNE MILITAIRE > Tanner BRITISH MILITARY AIRCRAFT OF WWI > > > GRACIAS and SALUDOS > > ALBERTO ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 8:03:14 -0400 (EDT) From: "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" To: wwi Subject: Re: Books Message-ID: <961021080314.22a6e090@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU> If you liked _War Birds - The Diary of an Unknown Aviator_ (actually, John McGavock Grider) edited by Elliott White Springs -- then you'll enjoy _Nocturne Militaire_ by the same E.W. Springs. It is a collection of stories about various people mentioned in _War Birds_ and, like that book, _Nocturne Militaire_ is illustrated by Clayton Knight. CK was a member of the 'war birds' group of Americans flying with RFC/RAF units. He served part of his training with No. 44 Home Defence Squadron (with Armstrong, et al.) in England, then went to No. 206 Squadron, RAF. He was shot down on 5 October 1918 by Oblt Harald Auffarth (and NOT 'Auffahrt,' as SO OFTEN appears)*; actually, CK and HA shot each other down. The German got credit for a victory -- CK was taken to a German field hospital to have remnants of one of Auffarth's incendiary bullets removed from his leg. PK *to their credit - Franks, Bailey & Guest spelled Auffarth's name right in their excellent work _Above the Lines_. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 96 08:23:58 -0400 From: Howard Rifkin To: wwi Cc: DavidL1217@aol.com, hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU, aero@baynet.net, Subject: Re: WW1 Books for sale Message-ID: <9610211223.AA08749@velantia.unx.dec.com> People, Just to reiterate, I was just forawrding a message to the list from the rec.models.scale news group. I have no connection or contact with Mr. Frost and all inquiries should be sent directly to him. Anything sent to me will end up in the bit bucket. Sorry for any confusion. Howard ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 05:45:45 -0700 From: t_eisen@ix.netcom.com (Thomas Eisenhour) To: wwi Subject: Re: Large Scale kits Message-ID: <199610211245.FAA09095@dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com> Shane wrote: >I've just received an email from a countryman of mine who wants to build a >larger (1/28, 1/32) scale WW1 kit for his collection. He's passed a couple >of queries to me which I (and this is *difficult* to admit) don't know how >to answer. Tell Jeff that the Hobbycraft Nie. 17 is far and away the best of the group. Beautifully molded, thin wings, nice interior. Main drawback: lack of decals for various schemes. After that I'd rate the Revell Fok. Dr.I highest. The DR. I doesn't have any major assembly problems and not much rigging to scare a WW2 modeler. I'd say the major drawback is the interior which is pretty sparse (and incorrect as well) but that can be overlooked (or corrected). Every Revell Camel I've seen has a upper wing that's warped in TWO dimensions (sight along the leading edge). The cabane struts need to be shortened or the upper wing will have a humped appearance. SPADs have a cowling fit problem if the engine heads are installed (Springer can elaborate on this one) but this can be easily corrected by leaving them off. The seat is also wrong; Roseparts makes a correct one. Both the SPAD and CAMEL have those interplane struts connected by runners which are damned hard to fill and sand level with the wing. Tom -- Tom Eisenhour t_eisen@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 08:31:15 -0500 From: meba@cso.com To: WW1 Modelers Subject: Question Message-ID: <199610210840.IAA27345@cso.com> Does anybody have a .wav of the sound of a a/c engine, preferrable in in-line or rotary? If so, could you uuencode it and email it to me at work: meba@cso.com? TIA! Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 09:52:29 -0700 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Saturday, 21 October 1916, Cazaux Message-ID: <326BAA4D.2604@host.dmsc.net> Good day. Usual work in a.m. Little to do in p.m. and work ceased at 3 o'clock to allow all to leave on permission over tomorrow. Had leave to Arcachen but won't go until tomorrow if then. Guess we'll get leaves alright when we finish here on the 26th. Nice letter from Cousin Eleanor Cressor and one from Charlie Rowe. Feeling blue and mighty lonely because no news from dear Gertrude. ********************* from the diaries of E.C.C. Genet, Escadrille Lafayette ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 08:56:32 -0500 From: meba@cso.com To: WW1 Modelers Subject: Eduard Albatros D.V Message-ID: <199610210857.IAA28753@cso.com> During construction, I'm planning on posting construction notes while building the Eduard Albatros D.V. Keep in mind that these notes come from a 1/72nd builder. Hope ya'all don't mind. So far, the only things accomplished are: I've cleaned up all white metal for the engine. Doing this, I also removed the bogus molded on spark plug wire pipe, which contains all spark plug wires leading from the spark plugs to the magneto's. I did this primarily because Eduard molded these *through* the cylinders. So, during removal not only were the "pipes" removed, but so were the metal that was molded in between the cylinders. So far, that's all I've done. I'm debating whether I want to scratch new valve cover springs, or just use the kit part. I'm leaning toward the kit part just for simplicity. The other construction point I've taken care of is the removal of all molded in cockpit side-wall detail. I also have started "scratching in" the correct formers into the starboard fuselage half. I decided to remove the molded in detail because it wasn't right. And in this "balloon scale" it's obvious (well, at least to me) when something isn't right. The only kit part I plan on using for the formers and longerons is the back former, the one that has a "shelf" for the seat. The "floor" is even wrong, as it's too long. It should only reach from that rear former to the former right past the front cockpit opening. Instead, it goes to about an inch past this former. I'm using the Smithsonian book as my primary reference. I even "scaled down" the drawings in the back of the book to 1/48th. And what's this with the seat being mounted on a "shelf"? It was mounted on two rails going from the rear former to the same former the floor goes to. So, for strength I am going to mount the Atlee seat on a much reduced "shelf", but also provide the rails, as well. If you're planning on getting the Atlee seat for this, it has one "major" flaw. The shoulder harness should be attached to the upper most longeron, and not come from the back of the seat. I believe Eduard has this wrong, as well. However, I still think the Atlee seat is a much better represenation than the Eduard seat. So, what's next? Finish the additions to the starboard fuselage which includes figuring out how I'm going to "build" the "bulges" on the formers, where various parts are fitted to. Then, it's on to the port side. (Once one is complete, doing the other is a relative cake-walk since all the problems were already figured out.) Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 96 09:07 CDT From: bciciora@wwa.com To: wwi Subject: Re: WWI Movie Reviews Message-ID: Riordan asks: > How would you rate Blue Max or The Great Waldo Pepper? I believe The Blue Max is still the best WWI movie ever made, despite all its technical flaws (lozenge Dr.Is, goofy Pfalz gun trigger, Tiger Moth conversions). The flying sequences are beautifully photographed. There is less footage of cockpit shots with the stars face, and more of actual air combat maneuvering. Two thumbs up ;-) Bill C. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 09:23:32 -0700 From: Jack Berlien To: wwi Subject: re: Fokker Dr.1 Turquoise Message-ID: Xtracolor (sp?) makes a color called German Underside Blue (I don't have the literature with me at the moment with the color #) but this looks like a fairly good match to Mr. Rimmel's color plates. Best regards, Jack **************************************************** Jack Berlien 214-995-3257 Email: j-berlien@ti.com "A clean desk is a sign of a cluttered desk drawer." ------------------ Original text From: NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP), on 10/19/96 10:50 PM: To: Multiple recipients of list -- [ From: Kenneth Hagerup * EMC.Ver #2.5.1 ] -- Looking through the JG1 Special, I was struck with the idea that the dark blue turquoise on the undersurfaces of Dr.1s looks very similar to the USN early WWII Blue Grey (~FS35189). Both Floquil and Testors Model Master II have this color in enamels. Has anyone a better match for this color? Ken -- Kenneth Hagerup 11419 South 43rd Avenue Omaha, NE 68123-1073 USA npwe28a@prodigy.com hagerupk@j5.stratcom.af.mil ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 08:51:42 +0000 From: Rob To: wwi Subject: Re: Eduard Albatros D.V Message-ID: <9610210847.aa18907@scosysv.speechsys.com> Matt writes: > I'm debating whether I want to scratch new > valve cover springs, or just use the kit part. I'm leaning > toward the kit part just for simplicity. Nifty valve springs can be made by winding wire from window sreen arounda straight pin. It's easier to do than it sounds and the result looks great. Rob, robj@speechsys.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 09:20:59 +0000 From: Rob To: wwi Subject: Re: Re[4]: Reference Material Message-ID: <9610210916.aa19447@scosysv.speechsys.com> Riordan: You write: > > Forgive me for being a tecno-peasant; I'm still learning how to use > these machines and rely on my wife to sort out and assist with tech > matters. Sounds like she is a definite keeper. >Do you have a database on your materials already, or are we >talking about how to create one? I have a database of my own, but in a none-too-easy to convert DOS application. From what you said, I was assuming that something existed in dBASE already. If not, a simple Access database is easy enough. I could do it for you if you like. >If we are to create one, we'll need a > small set of index catagories (by name,aircraft,nationality, > squadron,theater?) We should also have a database of borrowers linked to the books database. That way, you can take care of who has what. > Also, what are your thoughts on the fee/expanding the collection > issue? I don't really have one. I can foresee a whole bunch of problems with the system as well as a whole lot of promise. I think the group has to be prepared to lose some books from time to time. I also think we need to have some sort of bylaws and a formal, signed, snail-mailed, borrowers agreement, just to put everything on a business-like footing and prevent disputes later. We might consider requiring a deposit with each loan, if non-returns prove a problem. Let me know if you'd like me to put together a database. Rob, robj@speechsys.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 96 16:38:51 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re: Movie reviews Message-ID: <9609218459.AA845917071@mx.Ricochet.net> PK, Points regarding history vs entertainment are well taken. How would you rate "The Stuntman" starring Peter O'toole & ? Please understand I'm not endorsing this film, if for no other reason than it is only marginally concerned w/ WWI aviation. Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Movie reviews Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 10/20/96 1:15 PM In response to: >Anonymous WWI air movie critic, >How would you rate Blue Max or The Great Waldo Pepper? = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = No doubt that "Richthofen and Brown" was not worth much (unless I missed the footnote explaining the use of Fokker D.VIIs and lozenge-covered Pfalz D.IIIs -- and earlier in the war, at that). But I found "The Blue Max" and "The Great Waldo Pepper" to have some redeeming social values. If you can put aside (for a moment) the goofey markings and other boo-boos, "TBM" had some fine moments, which my clever kids must have realized when they gave me the tape a few Christmases ago. Just the "feel" of the airfield scenes, some of the combat stuff and ALL of the stunt- flying (which, as I recall from an old magazine article, was done by a team of women pilots). And the *image* of Carl Schell as MvR sure seemed to be right on the mark. Then -- joy of joys! -- there is the MUSIC from "Blue Max," which came out on an original soundtrack recording and was re-released (on 33 rpm vinyl) in recent years. Spectacular stuff -- though I wouldn't recommend listening to it when doing some of the delicate stuff you folks do with plastic and allied implements of wizardry. And don't take my word for it! Paul Straehle, former CO of Jasta 18, bubbled over when we discussed it. Sure, he laughed at the Bruno character romancing the General's wife -- but saw a lot of truth in other scenes. Again, with "The Great Waldo Pepper," there was a great, almost gritty feel to it. I took Carl Dixon, one of my old flier friends (who had been a WW I pilotr AND a barnstormer -- and he loved it. The actor who played the "Udet" looked so much like the original it was spooky. Thank goodness, some genius in Hollywood remembered to offer a soundtrack album with TGWP music. More great stuff. Let's face it, folks, Hollywood (or any other film capitol) is not going to make anything 100% on the mark -- since the accent is MONEY and they go for what sells -- so try to find the joy that IS there. The recent Young Indiana Jones epsode, for instance, had some inspired scenes in it. The zepps and big bombers HAD to be models or computer-generated -- but, who cares? They were great. The Nungessor character was great. The MvR character lacked only a monocle and a dueling scar to complete the bizarre caricature he was. But, who said it was supposed to be serious? Park your brains under your chair and sit back and be entertained. PK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 13:15:47 -0400 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Re: Movie reviews Message-ID: <2.2.16.19961021113246.21a7d392@conted.swann.gatech.edu> Riordan, I haven't seen The Stuntman in many a year and so can't comment as to its WWI historical details, but I can't say this: I loved it! What an entertaining flic! I highly recommend it. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 11:14:34 -0700 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Books Message-ID: <199610211814.AA01307@ednet1.orednet.org> Peter K wrote: > If you liked _War Birds - The Diary of an Unknown Aviator_ (actually, >John McGavock Grider) edited by Elliott White Springs -- then you'll enjoy >_Nocturne Militaire_ by the same E.W. Springs. Isn't the true story on The Diary of an Unknown Aviator that it was almost entirely written by Elliot White Springs and that only a couple pages from Grider's diary was actually used. The rest was EWS's own invention which he credited to Grider, both as a tribute to his deceased friend and to lend a degree of authenticity to what was, essentially, a novel? Cheers, -- -Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org- "Listen - strange women lying around in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony!" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 13:24:19 -0500 From: Charles_A._Duckworth@notes.up.com (Charles A. Duckworth) To: wwi Subject: Re: Fokker Eindecker trivia Message-ID: <1996Oct21.111723.1155.748260@uprr-internet.notes.up.com> Finally decided to complete my Eduard Eindecker this weekend; after adding the machine gun belt openings on top the cowling, the MG, and a couple of minor items that the mold makers left off (as example the steel plate under MG on top the cowling) I noticed in the Datafile two rather thick wires or tubes coming out of the vertical metal sheet just directly in front of the cockpit. I can tell from several photos where the two 'wires' start but none my sources show where they terminated (Datafile, Arms and Armor Fokker Fighters of WWI or the Squadron booklet). My quess they routed into the 'bulge' behind the engine cowling? Am I right and what purpose did they serve? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 96 14:39:04 EDT From: Brian Nicklas To: Subject: Temp. Off-Line Message-ID: <199610211837.OAA15622@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Gents, I'm going off on travel, so I'm going off line. I'd tell you what I'm going to do, but you would just give me grief over getting a T-38 ride, which I do realize does not have a prop, nor does it have any fabric (unless contents of the ejection seat count). I should be back on in early November. Brian Nicklas ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 14:28:54 -0500 From: Peter Fedders To: wwi Message-ID: <199610211928.OAA03601@howdy.wustl.edu> On rigging IF you REALLY want scale rigging, consider this. Most rigging that I have seen on real plans is a few millimeters. Certainly far less than a centimeter. For example, on the Fokker DVII, rigging varied from about 2 to 3 mm. At 1/48 3 mm becomes 0.0025 inches !!! However, we try to create an illusion, not a shrunken replica. Probably neither wood grain nor rigging should be scale.`` ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 15:41:16 -0700 From: Jack Berlien To: wwi Subject: re: Rigging Message-ID: Is rigging really that small? I'm surprised it shows up so well in pictures! **************************************************** Jack Berlien 214-995-3257 Email: j-berlien@ti.com "A clean desk is a sign of a cluttered desk drawer." ------------------ Original text From: Peter Fedders , on 10/21/96 3:26 PM: To: Multiple recipients of list On rigging IF you REALLY want scale rigging, consider this. Most rigging that I have seen on real plans is a few millimeters. Certainly far less than a centimeter. For example, on the Fokker DVII, rigging varied from about 2 to 3 mm. At 1/48 3 mm becomes 0.0025 inches !!! However, we try to create an illusion, not a shrunken replica. Probably neither wood grain nor rigging should be scale.`` ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 14:59:21 +0000 From: Rob To: wwi Subject: re: Rigging Message-ID: <9610211455.aa26282@scosysv.speechsys.com> Jack writes: > Is rigging really that small? I'm surprised it shows up so well in pictures! RAFwires were certainly wider than that , though not necessarily thicker. As for stranded cable, 3 mm. (1/8 in) seems on the slim side, but maybe not. It is plenty strong (look at the stats for rockclimber's wired nuts which use 1/8 to 3/16 wire rope). Rob, robj@speechsys.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 19:15:37 -0400 (EDT) From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Large Scale kits Message-ID: <199610212315.TAA21776@ns1.ptd.net> At 12:16 AM 10/21/96 -0400, Shane Weier wrote: >Hello all, > >I've just received an email from a countryman of mine who wants to build a >larger (1/28, 1/32) scale WW1 kit for his collection. He's passed a couple >of queries to me which I (and this is *difficult* to admit) don't know how >to answer. I've done the Nieuport in Bishop's colors, and its pretty nice. I don't pay real close attention to specs, as many of you know by now. The kit goes togethr easily and looks nice when finished. I got the propeller spionner from Roseparts. These big ones are real easy to rig. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 19:15:46 -0400 (EDT) From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Books Message-ID: <199610212315.TAA21834@ns1.ptd.net> At 02:14 PM 10/21/96 -0400, Bill Shatzer wrote: > > > >Peter K wrote: > >> If you liked _War Birds - The Diary of an Unknown Aviator_ (actually, >>John McGavock Grider) edited by Elliott White Springs -- then you'll enjoy >>_Nocturne Militaire_ by the same E.W. Springs. > >Isn't the true story on The Diary of an Unknown Aviator that it was >almost entirely written by Elliot White Springs and that only a couple >pages from Grider's diary was actually used. The rest was EWS's >own invention which he credited to Grider, both as a tribute to >his deceased friend and to lend a degree of authenticity to what >was, essentially, a novel? > >Cheers, I believe OTF just had a fairly large section on Springs and the books he wrote. Am I right about this Peter? Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 19:15:43 -0400 (EDT) From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Temp. Off-Line Message-ID: <199610212315.TAA21814@ns1.ptd.net> At 02:39 PM 10/21/96 -0400, Brian Nicklas wrote: >Gents, >I'm going off on travel, so I'm going off line. >I'd tell you what I'm going to do, but you would >just give me grief over getting a T-38 ride, which >I do realize does not have a prop, nor does it have >any fabric (unless contents of the ejection seat count). >I should be back on in early November. >Brian Nicklas Have fun. Don't pull the wrong switch. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 19:15:39 -0400 (EDT) From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Books Message-ID: <199610212315.TAA21793@ns1.ptd.net> At 01:16 AM 10/21/96 -0400, Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson wrote: >Alberto Rada wrote: >> >> I have the opportunity of purchasing these books, but know very little >> about them, can you give me any comment on the ones you have read ? >> I will much appreciate it, just to spend the money where it is worth. > >I'l > >> Gann, E. .- IN THE COMPANY OF EAGLESThis is a novel and, to my untutored, uncritical mind, a pretty fair one. I'm reading >it for the third time right now in fact-- however, it was a book club special at one >time, so you should be able to pick up a hardback with dust jacket for about $5-$7. >Don't pay more than that for it. I just re-read this one a few months ago. I still really enjoyed it. Sets up some nice moral ambiguities between the German and French pilots. I haven't seen it for a long time, but I agree you shouldn't have to spend too much on it. >> Kennett, L .- THE FIRST AIR WAR I'm almost finished with this one..........what a treat. I've enjoyed this book beyond belief. It is very factual with lots of footnotes at the end of each chapter; a good section on researching; and finally the guy knows how to write and make things interesting. The only criticism is a general lack of good photos. Buy this one. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 07:41:06 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Eduard Albatros D.V Message-ID: On Mon, 21 Oct 1996 meba@cso.com wrote: > During construction, I'm planning on posting construction notes > while building the Eduard Albatros D.V. Good show. Keep it up. I'd want to have some info before I plunge into the kit myself. I'll be waiting for the next stages. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 19:22:04 -0400 From: roger belanger To: wwi Subject: Fokker D V111 Message-ID: <326C059C.22EC@concentric.net> I am a little new to the art of ww1 airplane model building in the meticulos fashion the the members of the group build and would like to become as accomplished as most . I am going to start the D V111 I would if anyony has any suggestions as to what if any modifications I should make to the Edouard 1/72 kit . Are the Lozenge pattern colors right that come w/ the kit . I will appreciate any help that anyone can offer . I have a modelers profile odf myself in the Dec. 96 Finescale Modeler for those of you who do not know me . I enyoy all of your messages and learning about the aircraft . Roger Belanger -- ROGER BELANGER A job worth doing is a job worth doing well ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 19:25:29 -0400 From: roger belanger To: wwi Subject: Re: IPMS Quterly & Updates Message-ID: <326C0669.56E7@concentric.net> SOPWITH@worldnet.att.net wrote: > > We are selling for one of our local area modelers some old IPMS Quaterly and > Updates magazines. The subjects are mostly WWII to present. I though some of > you might be interested. > > Quaterly Volume 19 issues 1-4 cpt > Volume 20 " " " > Volume 21 " " " > Volume 22 issue 1 > 13 issues in all $20. + 3 postage or $1.75 each +$1.00 postage for > the first + .32c for each additional one. > > Updates Volume 19, # 4, 5, 6 > Volume 20, # 1, 4, 5, 6 > Volume 21, # 3, 4, 5, 6 > Volume 24, # 4, 5/6 > > 13 issues all for $7.00 + $3.00 postage. Each $1.00 + $1.00 postafge > for the first & .32c for each additional one. > > There's no profit for us. Mail your check to > > H. Guaty > C/O Sopwith Hobbies > P.O. Box 560442 > Miami, Fl. 33256 Do you have a product catalog ? and how can I get one -- ROGER BELANGER A job worth doing is a job worth doing well ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 19:35:50 -0400 From: roger belanger To: wwi Subject: Re: Eduard Albatros D.V Message-ID: <326C08D6.1355@concentric.net> meba@cso.com wrote: > > During construction, I'm planning on posting construction notes > while building the Eduard Albatros D.V. Keep in mind that these > notes come from a 1/72nd builder. Hope ya'all don't mind. > > So far, the only things accomplished are: I've cleaned up all > white metal for the engine. Doing this, I also removed the bogus > molded on spark plug wire pipe, which contains all spark plug > wires leading from the spark plugs to the magneto's. I did this > primarily because Eduard molded these *through* the cylinders. > So, during removal not only were the "pipes" removed, but so were > the metal that was molded in between the cylinders. So far, > that's all I've done. I'm debating whether I want to scratch new > valve cover springs, or just use the kit part. I'm leaning > toward the kit part just for simplicity. > > The other construction point I've taken care of is the removal > of all molded in cockpit side-wall detail. I also have started > "scratching in" the correct formers into the starboard fuselage > half. I decided to remove the molded in detail because it > wasn't right. And in this "balloon scale" it's obvious (well, > at least to me) when something isn't right. The only kit part I > plan on using for the formers and longerons is the back former, > the one that has a "shelf" for the seat. The "floor" is even > wrong, as it's too long. It should only reach from that rear > former to the former right past the front cockpit opening. > Instead, it goes to about an inch past this former. > > I'm using the Smithsonian book as my primary reference. I even > "scaled down" the drawings in the back of the book to 1/48th. > > And what's this with the seat being mounted on a "shelf"? It was > mounted on two rails going from the rear former to the same > former the floor goes to. So, for strength I am going to mount > the Atlee seat on a much reduced "shelf", but also provide the > rails, as well. > > If you're planning on getting the Atlee seat for this, it has one > "major" flaw. The shoulder harness should be attached to the > upper most longeron, and not come from the back of the seat. I > believe Eduard has this wrong, as well. However, I still think > the Atlee seat is a much better represenation than the Eduard > seat. > > So, what's next? Finish the additions to the starboard fuselage > which includes figuring out how I'm going to "build" the "bulges" > on the formers, where various parts are fitted to. Then, it's on > to the port side. (Once one is complete, doing the other is a > relative cake-walk since all the problems were already figured > out.) > > Matt > meba@cso.com Dear Matt which Smithsonian book are you using Roger B. -- ROGER BELANGER A job worth doing is a job worth doing well ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 19:25:27 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: Eduard Albatros D.V Message-ID: >meba@cso.com wrote: >> HUGE snip >> >Dear Matt which Smithsonian book are you using Roger B. >-- >ROGER BELANGER > This is a paperbound book written about the restoration of the Smithsonian's Alb. D-Va, written by Robert Mikesh. An excellent resource for the modeler and very fortunately still in print, though it seems to be difficult to find in book stores. You may have to write the Smithsonian. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 19:30:23 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Fokker D V111 lozenge Message-ID: ROGER BELANGER I am a little new to the art of ww1 airplane model building in the >meticulos fashion the the members of the group build and would like to >become as accomplished as most . I am going to start the D V111 I would >if anyony has any suggestions as to what if any modifications I should >make to the Edouard 1/72 kit . Are the Lozenge pattern colors right that >come w/ the kit . I will appreciate any help that anyone can offer . I >have a modelers profile odf myself in the Dec. 96 Finescale Modeler for >those of you who do not know me . I enyoy all of your messages and >learning about the aircraft . Roger Belanger The lozenge decals included in this kit bear very little resemblance to surviving pieces of the original fabric with regards to colors. Americal/Gryphon, Aeromaster, Pegasus and Super Scale (among others) produce decals (of varying accuracy) of the 4-color lozenge fabric that was used on this aircraft. My slightly biased appraisal is that A/G is the best bet. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 300 *********************