WWI Digest 292 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Thursday, 12 October 1916, Cazaux by lothar@ncw.net (mark) 2) Re: Idea by mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) 3) Re: RED BARON by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 4) Re: Idea by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 5) Re: Camouflage by "Brian Bushe" 6) Re: Albatros D.V (wood graining) by t_eisen@ix.netcom.com (Thomas Eisenhour) 7) Re: Good match for "Dull Green"? by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 8) Couple of questions by meba@cso.com 9) Albatros Pale Grey by meba@cso.com 10) Re: Albatros D.V by Rob 11) Eduard's Next Offerings by bciciora@wwa.com 12) WWI in the Air (15 Oct 1916) by Paul Silbermann 13) Re: Albatros Pale Grey by Joseph Gentile 14) Re: Albatros Pale Grey by Rob 15) Re: Albatros Pale Grey by Rob 16) Re: Couple of questions by Rob 17) Color: Machine Guns and Von Hippel's Fuselage by Jack Berlien 18) Re: Color: Machine Guns and Von Hippel's Fuselage by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 19) Re: Color: Machine Guns and Von Hippel's Fuselage by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 20) Re: Color: Machine Guns and Von Hippel's Fuselage by Kevin Witte 21) Re: Color: Machine Guns and Von Hippel's Fuselage by Rob 22) Re: Color: Machine Guns and Von Hippel's Fuselage by Rob 23) Re: Camouflage by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 24) RE: Eduard's Next Offerings by Shane Weier 25) RE: Color: Machine Guns and Von Hippel's Fuselage by Shane Weier 26) Re: Color: Machine Guns and Von Hippel's Fuselage by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 27) Some old Scale Models available (ADV) by john@rollmodels.com (John Roll) 28) Eduard News by john@rollmodels.com (John Roll) 29) Triplanes are on the way! (ADV) by john@rollmodels.com (John Roll) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 23:19:31 -0700 From: lothar@ncw.net (mark) To: wwi Subject: Re: Thursday, 12 October 1916, Cazaux Message-ID: <199610150619.XAA29861@bing.ncw.net> >At 02:30 AM 10/14/96 -0400, mark wrote: >. Am getting utterly distracted over no news from dear >>darling >>>Gertrude. What is the matter with the dear girl? >> >>I'll bet anyone out there a Glencoe Albatros that Gertie's gonna give him >>the old heave ho...any takers? ;-) > > Whew, that"s a tough one. I was about to write a harrangue(sp) about >what was taking that old biddy so long to write back to the guy. Didn't she >know his days were numbered? OK, I"ll see you and raise one Airfix Dr1 >Mike Muth Ouch! This is getting serious...I think Gertie was betting on the likelihood that loverboy, if he ever did get into combat (the wind's going to have to die down quite a bit before he even gets out of flight school, evidently! ;-), would become Fokker fodder so fast that she'd then be spared the unpleasantness of telling him that she was dumping him for that Rickenbacker fellow who drove racing cars... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 06:04:52 EDT From: mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) To: wwi Subject: Re: Idea Message-ID: <19961015.050215.4447.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 14 Oct 1996 21:12:06 -0400 bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) writes: > Just back from a short vacation in Ohio and am in the > middle of reading all the collected e-mail. When I came > accross this one, I had to add my own comments. For awhile > now, I've been wondering what, if anything, people listen > to while working on their models...you know, those people > on the list who still build stuff! Anyway, I've been > listening to a CD(country oriented) by two singers called > Kennedy-Rose. They used to sing backup for Emmylou Harris. > Anyway, I keep listening to the cd whenever I work on my > models. Anyone else have model listening material?. Where in Ohio did you get to? I'm originally from the Cleveland area. As far as music goes (ah, two passions of my life), I'm a "female singer/songwriter" fan. Artists include (I'll start with the ones you might have heard of, first) Kate Bush and Tori Amos. Further down the line you have Sarah McLachlan and Loreena McKennitt. Even further yet are Happy Rhodes, Jewel, Dar Williams and Ani DiFranco. Then we go to the "pop" side with suddenly, tammy!, Poe, Garbage and mary's danish. So, quite ecletic. However, when a model is giving me a fit, I'll stick on some blues. ;-) Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 07:25:59 -0400 (EDT) From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: RED BARON Message-ID: <199610151125.HAA19991@ns1.ptd.net> At 10:53 PM 10/14/96 -0400, Matthew E Bittner wrote: >deletions >I have _Germany's First Air Force_ and have read it. > >If you enjoy the German side of the war, and like reading, >buy this book. It is wonderful. Gives a good idea of what >Germany went through as it was forming an airforce. > >Also, it has a chapter on the "other" Richtofen, Lothar. > >So, highly recommended. ;-) Same for me. I've been reading it for 1 1/2 years now when I give my class an exam. Not only does it thoroughly confuse them(not too much of a connection to Criminal Justice!) but it helps pass the time. I especially liked the section on the bombers and naval planes. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 07:47:02 -0400 (EDT) From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Idea Message-ID: <199610151147.HAA22092@ns1.ptd.net> At 06:04 AM 10/15/96 -0400, Matthew E Bittner wrote: >Where in Ohio did you get to? I'm originally from the >Cleveland area. > >As far as music goes (ah, two passions of my life), I'm a >"female singer/songwriter" fan. Artists include (I'll >start with the ones you might have heard of, first) Kate >Bush and Tori Amos. Further down the line you have Sarah >McLachlan and Loreena McKennitt. Even further yet are >Happy Rhodes, Jewel, Dar Williams and Ani DiFranco. Then >we go to the "pop" side with suddenly, tammy!, Poe, Garbage >and mary's danish. So, quite ecletic. > >However, when a model is giving me a fit, I'll stick on >some blues. ;-) Athens, Ohio. Got my undergrad degree there in 1972. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 12:48:21 +0000 From: "Brian Bushe" To: wwi Subject: Re: Camouflage Message-ID: <199610151153.MAA07168@itl.net> re: Camouflage > I forgot who started this, but here's a way to air brush camo. without > having to cut templates.(Much too precise to suit me). Use Elmer's glue to > cover the area first painted. The paint won't bleed underneath and the glue > peels right off. > Mike Muth > > excellent idea, Mike. Have you tried this on natural metal finishes? brian Brian Bushe syclone@itl.net Syclone Systems Denmark Street (44) 1628 789 470 Maidenhead Fax 789 513 Berkshire England ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 05:41:34 -0700 From: t_eisen@ix.netcom.com (Thomas Eisenhour) To: wwi Subject: Re: Albatros D.V (wood graining) Message-ID: <199610151241.FAA07833@dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com> Mark wrote: >To get a woodgrain effect, I use Testors model master "wood" color as a base >coat, then apply a very thin coat of a dark, reddish brown paint with a >short bristled brush Can I elaborate a bit on my technique (which appears to be virtually the same as Mark's)? I use Testors Model Master "Light Ivory" as a base coat and a medium brown Gunze Sangyo *acrylic* for the streaking, although just about any shade of brown or dark tan seems to work well. By using an enamel base coat and a acrylic top coat, if you aren't satisfied with the results take off the acrylic with some Windex and try again. BTW this is a "wet brush" not "dry brush" technique. Thin the acrylic paint about 1/3 with isopropyl alcohol. Put it on wet and keep working it. As the alcohol evaporates the paint will begin to set up. When it looks right, stop. Now for the cool part! After you're satisfied with the results of the graining, spray on a tinted transparent top coat to give it a varnished plywood appearance. Try adding a small amount of Testor's Yellow and/or Orange to some Clear Gloss enamel. Be careful not to add so much tint that the graining is concealed! For props, I use good old Testor's Brown (yup, the stuff in those little bottles!) for the tint. The same technique works beautifully for the streaking on Fokker Dr.Is. with Gunze Olive Drab over Light Ivory. Oh, did I mention that you might want to practice this technique on an old kit or scrap plastic first? ;-) Good luck! Tom -- Tom Eisenhour t_eisen@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 08:46:26 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: Good match for "Dull Green"? Message-ID: Scott wrote: > >I know I asked a few months ago about Fokker green, but now with a >Halberstadt in progress could anyone relate a good bottle-match (or easy >mix) for "Dull Green" as so-named in the Windsock Datafile about the Halb. >CL.IV? While we're on Halberstadts, how about the four colors on the >aircraft featured on the cover. Peter Grosz calls them Prussian Blue, >Yellow Green, Ochre, and Dark Mauve. Any ideas on easy matches? Thanks! With all due respect, I don't think that Pete Grosz wrote anything about Halberstadt colors. He consistently disavows making any pronouncement on German aircraft colors. He simply isn't interested. The color statements were probably made by Ray Rimell. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 10:06:28 -0500 From: meba@cso.com To: WW1 Modelers Subject: Couple of questions Message-ID: <199610151006.KAA27971@cso.com> I realise I'm going the wrong way, but what's the percentage increase to change a 1/72nd drawing to 1/48th? Also, I've been looking and can't make a determination. Did Albatros put their logo on lozenge-covered rudders? If you could, could you email the answer to the first question to me at work, since I have a copier close by, and want to get this drawing expanded asap. TIA! Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 10:25:35 -0500 From: meba@cso.com To: WW1 Modelers Subject: Albatros Pale Grey Message-ID: <199610151025.KAA03511@cso.com> Anybody have a good FS or Polly Scale equivalent for the Albatros Pale Grey that was applied to the Albatros metal parts? In taking a look at the color photo of the Mercedes in Windsock Vol. 11 No. 6, I wonder: were the cylinder heads really green or red? I could agree with green, if it was considered to be the green/grey of overpainted metal. However, red? And if these parts were painted, just how long would the paint last before being burned off? Using this color photo, I'm thinking natural metal "crankcase" with black cylinder heads. Ideas? Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 09:04:37 +0000 From: Rob To: wwi Subject: Re: Albatros D.V Message-ID: <9610150903.aa05016@scosysv.speechsys.com> Matt writes: > I think you might have expaneded on this earlier. > However... > > Could you repost the method used? TIA!>The way to go is artist's oil paints. Joe > > Levonas, who took a first in 1/48 WW1 at this year's > > IPMS/USA national convention, does it this way. The > > winning model, an Eduard Albatros C-type, looked > > fantastic. Experiment on scrap until you have the right > > effect. Well, actually, I didn't expand much, as I haven't actually tried it yet. But, basically, Joe starts with a light base coat (he uses enamels, something like ModelMaster Wood, though it is probably something else). Then he uses artist's oil paints--earth tones, such as burnt sienna, raw sienna, burnt umber, yellow ochre--and streaks on the color in myultiple layers. Oils dry slowly and have a semi-transparency that gives depth. Experiment until yu have something that looks like what you want. I'll see if I can get Joe to elaborate some and will post the result as an article on Chandelle. Rob, robj@speechsys.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 96 11:02 CDT From: bciciora@wwa.com To: wwi Subject: Eduard's Next Offerings Message-ID: Matt wrote: > should we wait for the Eduard Nie.17 and Nie.11? Very disappointing to see Eduard spend resources on aircraft that are already available in 1/48 injected, and can be spruced up with a little creative scratchbuilding or aftermarket PE. Still no 1/48 injected Bristol F2B (unless you want to pay collecter's prices), no 1/48 injected BE2c, no 1/48 injected Halberstadt D.II, etc, etc, etc. So many front line aircraft that Eduard *should* be working on. Bill C. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 96 12:02:40 EDT From: Paul Silbermann To: WWI list , , Subject: WWI in the Air (15 Oct 1916) Message-ID: <199610151601.MAA24696@pease1.sr.unh.edu> 10/15/1916 French aircraft report 7 air-to-air engagements. _Aeronautics_ (London), 25 Oct 1916, p.279. British (RNAS) aircraft attack the Buk bridge (ne of Drama). _Aeronautics_ (London), 25 Oct 1916, p.280. -- Claims -- French aircraft claim 1 German aircraft shot down. French ground fire claims 1 German aircraft shot down nr Lassigny. _Aeronautics_ (London), 25 Oct 1916, p.279. -- British Losses -- * FE2B No.6246 (No.18 Sqn) landed by moonlight nr Havrincourt Wood after night bombing mission; listed as MIA POW: Crisp, 2Lt A. R. POW: Hardinge, 1AM L. Trevor Henshaw, _The Sky Their Battlefield_ (London: Grub Street, 1995), p.118. * DH2 No.5965 (No.24 Sqn) hit by ground fire WIA: Nixon, Lt W. E. Henshaw, p.118. ***************** WWI in the Air (15 Oct 1916) **************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 11:55:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Joseph Gentile To: wwi Subject: Re: Albatros Pale Grey Message-ID: <199610151655.LAA14770@Walden.MO.NET> At 11:41 AM 10/15/96 -0400, you wrote: >Anybody have a good FS or Polly Scale equivalent for the Albatros >Pale Grey that was applied to the Albatros metal parts? > FWIW, I kinda like RLM Grey 02. I have been using the floquil brand. It "looks" good as compared to some of the drawings on the back of the datafile number 3. >Using this color photo, I'm thinking natural metal "crankcase" with >black cylinder heads. > >I applied very heavy washes of floquil grimy black over the white metal, then went back over the cylinder heads with a heavier wash of good old flat black. Might not be accurate but IMO it looks good. > >HTH, Joe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 11:23:24 +0000 From: Rob To: wwi Subject: Re: Albatros Pale Grey Message-ID: <9610151122.aa01486@scosysv.speechsys.com> Matt writes: > In taking a look at the color photo of the Mercedes in Windsock Vol. > 11 No. 6, I wonder: were the cylinder heads really green or red? I > could agree with green, if it was considered to be the green/grey of > overpainted metal. However, red? > And if these parts were painted, just how long would the paint last > before being burned off? > Using this color photo, I'm thinking natural metal "crankcase" with > black cylinder heads. All original photos I have seen look like either black stove enamel (maybe) or heat-discolored steel (we are talking black and white, of course, so make of this what you will). Crankcases always look like very grubby aluminum castings. Mercs had forged steel cylinders, but other makes sometimes used other materials/finishes. Some Salmson/Canto-Unne and Austro-Daimlers had copper water jackets. Bentley/Admiralty rotaries had aluminum cylinders. Hispano-Suizas were well-known for their fine, black, stove-enamel finishes. Rob, robj@speechsys.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 11:52:49 +0000 From: Rob To: wwi Subject: Re: Albatros Pale Grey Message-ID: <9610151151.aa01836@scosysv.speechsys.com> Joseph Gentile wrote Re Albatros Pale Grey: > At 11:41 AM 10/15/96 -0400, you wrote: > >Anybody have a good FS or Polly Scale equivalent for the Albatros > >Pale Grey that was applied to the Albatros metal parts? > FWIW, I kinda like RLM Grey 02. I have been using the floquil brand. It > "looks" > good as compared to some of the drawings on the back of the >datafile number 3. I held my tongue the first time, but one can really use almost any color one wants from grey-greens through blue-greys. No one actually knows for certain what these colors were. Rimmel drawings and restored airplanes are at best educated (or opinionated) guesses. Even surviving paint samples (if any) only tell us what a particular batch of a particular paint looked like on a particular machine (or paint chip). This is the one great peeve I have with modeling competition. It creates these artificial, unhistorical, dogmatic standards purely for the convenience of judging. Rant, rant...rave...rave ... So go with what looks right to you. RLM 02 is a nifty color, so I would probably use that. But if someone else wanted to use Gunship Grey or Compass Ghost Grey, who am I to argue? Rob, robj@speechsys.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 11:16:25 +0000 From: Rob To: meba@cso.com Subject: Re: Couple of questions Message-ID: <9610151115.aa01406@scosysv.speechsys.com> Matt writes: > I realise I'm going the wrong way, but what's the percentage increase > to change a 1/72nd drawing to 1/48th? If my elementary school math serves (it never did back then) [1] (1/72) x EnlargementFactor = 1/48 [2] EnlargementFactor = (1/48) / (1/72) = (1/48) x (72/1) = 72/48 = 1.5 So an airplane with a 24' wingspan will have a 4" span in 1/72 (1"=72"=6') and a 6" span in 1/48 (1"=48"=4'). Enlargement gets tougher with copiers, since few will enlarge all the way to 1.5 in a single pass. If this is the case, enlarge it as much as you can in one pass. Then calculate the new scale and a new enlargement factor in the same way as above. For instance, if the copier maxes out at 1.21 enlargement [1] (1/72) x 1.21 = IntermediateScale = 0.0168 = 1/60 [2] (1/60) x SecondPassEnlargementFactor = 1/48 [3] SecondPassEnlargementFactor = (1/48) / (1/60) = 60/48 = 1.25 Rob, robj@speechsys.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 14:45:58 -0700 From: Jack Berlien To: wwi Subject: Color: Machine Guns and Von Hippel's Fuselage Message-ID: What color does everyone paint machine guns? A recommended color was Gunze "Steel", but my local hobby shops don't carry Gunze and can't cross it. I figured there must be an equivalent or other appropriate color in Humbrol, Pollyscale, or Model Master. I guess my first inclination is to use black, but that is probably not right. Also, here's another. I have seen several messages on Albatros gray for metal parts - I guess that is not referring to the gray used on the fuselage of, say Von Hippel's and similar machines. I have seen that (fuselage) color referred to as silver, sometimes as grey. Anybody have a recommendation for it? TIA, Jack **************************************************** Jack Berlien 214-995-3257 Email: j-berlien@ti.com "A clean desk is a sign of a cluttered desk drawer." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 14:15:02 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: Color: Machine Guns and Von Hippel's Fuselage Message-ID: Jack Berlien writes: > >Also, here's another. I have seen several messages on Albatros >gray for metal parts - I guess that is not referring to the gray used on >the fuselage of, say Von Hippel's and similar machines. I have seen that >(fuselage) color referred to as silver, sometimes as grey. Anybody have >a recommendation for it? An article in Scale Models Magazine back in the early 1970's featured color schemes of Jasta 5 (Von Hippel's jasta) Albatroses (Albatrai ??). This mentions that most a/c in this jasta had light grey fuselages. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 13:19:06 -0700 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Color: Machine Guns and Von Hippel's Fuselage Message-ID: <199610152019.AA24184@ednet1.orednet.org> > >What color does everyone paint machine guns? A recommended color was Gunze >"Steel", but my local hobby shops don't carry Gunze and can't cross it. I >figured there must be an equivalent or other appropriate color in Humbrol, >Pollyscale, or Model Master. I guess my first inclination is to use black, >but that is probably not right. i would think the "steel" would almost certainly be wrong - so far as I know, WWI era machine guns were all painted. The local military museum has two WWI era machine guns in its armory - a Lewis gun and a Spandau (both "ground pounder" versions, alas). Both are painted - the Lewis is a very dark gray (maybe faded from original black??) and the Spandau is dark green. I can't imagine that machine guns would be left without a protective coating of some type - either paint or parkerizing or _something_ Steel just doesn't make any sense (you wouldn't paint a machine gun with a clear protective coating 'cause then you couldn't see any damage to the coating to allow "touch ups" before the corrosion set in). For myself, I find panzer grey a decent color for machine guns - it may not be spot on accurate but it looks OK to my eye. For bigger scale models, over brushing with some graphite shaved from the tip of a No.2 pencil adds a metallic sheen and some depth to the gun. The graphite trick works nicely on engines as well. Cheers, -- -Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org- "Listen - strange women lying around in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony!" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 16:44:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin Witte To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Color: Machine Guns and Von Hippel's Fuselage Message-ID: On Tue, 15 Oct 1996, Bill Shatzer wrote: > For myself, I find panzer grey a decent color for machine guns - > it may not be spot on accurate but it looks OK to my eye. > For bigger scale models, over brushing with some graphite shaved > from the tip of a No.2 pencil adds a metallic sheen and some > depth to the gun. The graphite trick works nicely on engines as > well. The color I use for gun metal is - drum roll, please - gunmetal. Testors Metallizer Gunmetal, that is. Add a wash of pure black & lightly drybrush with steel for a nice effect. Kev ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Kevin Witte Senior Analyst/Programmer witte001@mc.duke.edu Workstation Development Group http://wdg.mc.duke.edu/~witte001 Duke University Medical Center ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 15:07:06 +0000 From: Rob To: wwi Subject: Re: Color: Machine Guns and Von Hippel's Fuselage Message-ID: <9610151505.aa04229@scosysv.speechsys.com> Bill Shatzer writes: > i would think the "steel" would almost certainly be wrong - so far > as I know, WWI era machine guns were all painted. ... > I can't imagine that machine guns would be left without a protective > coating of some type - either paint or parkerizing or _something_ > Steel just doesn't make any sense... Steel might make sense (whether it was actually done or no)--aviation machineguns didn't set out in the mud and the elements. They were removed after missions and returned to an armory where they could be cleaned and oiled. A light finish of fresh oil might be plenty to prevent corrosion. What about blueing? Parkerizing is, I believe, a modern process. But other processes were available. For what it is worth, I've always painted guns "gunmetal" with various shadings of steel. Rob, robj@speechsys.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 15:09:29 +0000 From: Rob To: wwi Subject: Re: Color: Machine Guns and Von Hippel's Fuselage Message-ID: <9610151508.aa04261@scosysv.speechsys.com> Charles Hart writes Re: Color: Machine Guns and Von Hippel's Fuselage > An article in Scale Models Magazine back in the early 1970's featured > color schemes of Jasta 5 (Von Hippel's jasta) Albatroses (Albatrai ??). > This mentions that most a/c in this jasta had light grey fuselages. I can't remember where, but I remember reading that the idea of light-grey or silver-grey Albatros fuselages was a mistake born of poor quality photos of clear-varnished, light-wood. Rob, robj@speechsys.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 17:50:55 -0400 (EDT) From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Camouflage Message-ID: <199610152150.RAA29841@ns1.ptd.net> At 07:50 AM 10/15/96 -0400, Brian Bushe wrote: >re: Camouflage > >> I forgot who started this, but here's a way to air brush camo. without >> having to cut templates.(Much too precise to suit me). Use Elmer's glue to >> cover the area first painted. The paint won't bleed underneath and the glue >> peels right off. >> Mike Muth >> >> > >excellent idea, Mike. Have you tried this on natural metal finishes? Nope. So far I've only practiced with it on old wings etc. I'm going to use it on a Halberstadt D-II as soon as I find the missing part for my airbrush. I do sort of wonder about the natural metal finishes though...I read about this technique in Fine Scale Modeler so I'm sure somebody has tried this??????? Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 08:06:27 +1100 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Eduard's Next Offerings Message-ID: <01BBBB38.EF7B0480@pc087b.mim.com.au> Matt wrote: > should we wait for the Eduard Nie.17 and Nie.11? And Bill responded: >Very disappointing to see Eduard spend resources on aircraft that are already >available in 1/48 injected, and can be spruced up with a little creative Que? First I heard anthing about Eduard doing the Nie11 or Nie17. Is this another urban myth, or just another example one of my length accurize projects being overtaken by better models OoB? Shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 08:24:59 +1100 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Color: Machine Guns and Von Hippel's Fuselage Message-ID: <01BBBB3B.862BC2A0@pc087b.mim.com.au> Charles Hart writes Re: Color: Machine Guns and Von Hippel's Fuselage > An article in Scale Models Magazine back in the early 1970's featured > color schemes of Jasta 5 (Von Hippel's jasta) Albatroses (Albatrai ??). > This mentions that most a/c in this jasta had light grey fuselages. And Rob replies: >I can't remember where, but I remember reading that the idea of >light-grey or silver-grey Albatros fuselages was a mistake born of poor quality >photos of clear-varnished, light-wood. Not in this case. Charles neglects to mention that the article by Peter L Gray includes in its research a number of interviews with von Hippel himself . There are also a fair number of extant photos of Jasta 5 aircraft taken from close enough to tell that there is no woodgrain showing. Jasta 5 colours were (I think) grey fuselage, dark green tail with red outline and red nose. I doubt if this was universal, some *were* plain plywood for at least part of their service eg Wilhelm Bussings a/c Of course you also have to except Fritz Rumeys black and white fuselage aircraft, and another which was covered with blue(?)/white diamonds ! regards Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 15:37:10 -0700 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Color: Machine Guns and Von Hippel's Fuselage Message-ID: <199610152237.AA11769@ednet1.orednet.org> >What about blueing? Parkerizing is, I believe, a modern process. The early editions of the US 1917 Enfield rifle were blued while the later rifles of the production run were parkerized. So the parkerizing (sp??) process was known and used during WWI although how extensively apart from the US Enfields I'm not sure. (And, I only know about the Enfields 'cause a recent issue of American Rifleman had an article on the Model 1917 rifle.) Cheers, -- -Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org- "Listen - strange women lying around in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony!" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 17:46:00 -0500 From: john@rollmodels.com (John Roll) To: wwi Subject: Some old Scale Models available (ADV) Message-ID: Hi All! An old and dear friend of mine by the name of Axel Kornfuehrer is selling a large number of magazines -- including some complete sets. He has asked me as a favor (no profit involved for Roll Models) to peddle them using Roll Models. I think that this group might be most interested in some of them, so you get first shot, but only for 24 hours or so. The most interesting collection is 11 complete years (1979-1989) of Scale Models. You know, that British magazine with the Albatros Plans and Austro-Hungarian Aces series? Many of these years were the ones during which Ray Rimmel was the editor. According to Axel, the magazines are in mint condition. He's most interested in selling the set, but he will break into years or individual issues, but really, they're ALL very good! See http://www.rollmodels.com/axel.html for the details. This page is NOT linked to the rest of my web site right now. On Wednesday evening, I will link it for everyone to see. Axel has several other things that may be of interest. Some are listed, but he has to get rid of some of the clutter before he can get to everything so that he knows what he has. To be listed later are the first 10 or so years of Over The Front. Axel will not look through the magazines to determine what each issue has. If you'd have seen his spare bedroom, you'd know why! It will be up to you to figure-out what is in which issue. Thanks! John Roll ******************************************* John Roll john@rollmodels.com Vice President and Chief Modeler for ROLL MODELS, INC. THE Internet source for plastic model kits, books and supplies GREAT STUFF! GREAT PRICES! GREAT SERVICE! http://www.rollmodels.com It's not real soon anymore, it's NOW! ******************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 17:46:04 -0500 From: john@rollmodels.com (John Roll) To: wwi Subject: Eduard News Message-ID: Hi again all (it's a busy day for me!) I just received some news regarding Eduard: Eduard is re-releasing the SSW D.III and Fokker E.III but, "Because of terminal mold damage not many will be available." Other Eduard kits on the way, but not here yet, include a special Albatross (yeah, I know. that's the way they spell it though!) D.V special limited Red Baron version. Also, the Pfalz D.III. Good News, mostly... John Roll ******************************************* John Roll john@rollmodels.com Vice President and Chief Modeler for ROLL MODELS, INC. THE Internet source for plastic model kits, books and supplies GREAT STUFF! GREAT PRICES! GREAT SERVICE! http://www.rollmodels.com It's not real soon anymore, it's NOW! ******************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 17:46:07 -0500 From: john@rollmodels.com (John Roll) To: wwi Subject: Triplanes are on the way! (ADV) Message-ID: For the third time today... Roll Models' first shipment of Eduard Sopwith Triplanes is on the way. I received the invoice that shows that they have been shipped! Yea! It's hard to say how long until they get here -- it depends on how long the stuff takes to clear customs. I really hope they'll be here within two weeks. I'll post again (and be quiet until then) when they really arrive. They'll be $15.00. Advertising mode off Thanks for your indulgence! John Roll ******************************************* John Roll john@rollmodels.com Vice President and Chief Modeler for ROLL MODELS, INC. THE Internet source for plastic model kits, books and supplies GREAT STUFF! GREAT PRICES! GREAT SERVICE! http://www.rollmodels.com It's not real soon anymore, it's NOW! ******************************************* ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 292 *********************