WWI Digest 281 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: FAQ Material by GRBroman@aol.com 2) Re: Vets by GRBroman@aol.com 3) German balloon buster by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 4) Bebe w/ big stone by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 5) Re: Bebe w/ big stone by aew (Allan Wright) 6) Duckworth MIA! by aew (Allan Wright) 7) RE: Acronyms by MCCLURE@skynet.litc.lockheed.com 8) Iron Cross Decals by Jack Berlien 9) Two mini book reviews... by "Joseph R. Boeke" 10) Re: Bebe w/ big stone by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 11) Please help spread the word by "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" 12) Re: New to you? by Rob 13) Wednesday, 4 October 1916, Cazaux by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 14) Re: Wednesday, 4 October 1916, Cazaux by SHUSTAD@email.usps.gov 15) Re: Vets by Gerald McOsker 16) Re: German balloon buster by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 17) Re: German balloon buster by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 18) Vets by roger belanger 19) Re: Eduard by DavidL1217@aol.com 20) Re: Duckworth MIA! by DavidL1217@aol.com 21) Re: Wednesday, 4 October 1916, Cazaux by mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) 22) Re: Bebe w/ big stone by mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) 23) Re: LZ37 and Waneford by john@rollmodels.com (John Roll) 24) Re: Vets by "Shelley Goodwin" 25) Re: And the winner is . . . by gspring@ix.netcom.com (Greg Springer) 26) Re: LZ37 and Waneford by "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" 27) Solomon-like decision by "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" 28) Thursday, 5 October 1916, Cazaux by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 08:29:54 -0400 From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: FAQ Material Message-ID: <961004082953_324857650@emout03.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 96-10-03 22:44:54 EDT, you write: >CE for crazy glue How about for CA crazy glue, that's the accepted abbreviation. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 08:30:00 -0400 From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Vets Message-ID: <961004082958_324857692@emout05.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 96-10-04 01:40:09 EDT, you write: >>I retired two years ago after 22 years in the Army. First two as a grunt (I >>was drafted in 1972) then 20 more as an MP. And...I really don't miss it! > >Me. 6 years a floatin' and chassing carriers (or trying to sink 'em)! IC1 >Jones, at your service '75-'81! Wow! what a coincidence, we were all in different units together! BTW, the plane I drove could land and take off again in less than 100 yards. ;) Glen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 08:33:38 -0700 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: German balloon buster Message-ID: <32552E52.66D8@host.dmsc.net> Gents, For anyone who has a detailed knowledge of German aeriel sorties in 1918, my grandfather told a story many times that I would like to confirm for a book I am writing. The problem is, I heard this story when I was a boy, and granddad never, of course, mentioned a date-- so it could have happened anytime between March and late October 1918. He was on the Verdun front mid-March to mid-May, at Belleau Wood early June to mid-July, at Soissons mid-July, sort of all over the map for the next three weeks, then around Pont-a-Mousson by early to mid August, and at the big training camp at Bois-de-l'Eveque. At St Mihiel mid September, Blanc Mont early October, moving towards the Argonne in late October. What he remembered witnessing was a German single-seater take out three observation balloons one after the other. My cousin, years later, remembered that it wasn't three but five. A few years ago, while reading through the voluminous RECORDS OF THE SECOND DIVISION, I came across a report, recorded by a Marine officer, of a German plane destroying four balloons one after the other, so I figured that was more than likely the event my grandfather saw, as such an occurance cannot have been common. Unfortunately, I lost my notes regarding that report, and though I have most of the RECORDS here, I don't know where to begin looking-- there are a few thousand pages. In any case, if it were possible to verify this attack from the German side, I would very much like to do so. I realize this is a long shot, but would be grateful for any suggestions, etc. Bradley ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 08:41:03 -0700 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Bebe w/ big stone Message-ID: <3255300F.6410@host.dmsc.net> Thanks to the gents who offered info regarding the short take-off of the Bebe-- I've always wanted to clear that up. As I recall, you could get in and out in under 100 yds if, once you touched down, you threw out a big stone tied to a rope (and then remembered to cut the rope before you took off again). Bradley ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 09:21:46 -0400 (EDT) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Re: Bebe w/ big stone Message-ID: <199610041321.JAA15780@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > Thanks to the gents who offered info regarding the short take-off of the > Bebe-- I've always wanted to clear that up. As I recall, you could get > in and out in under 100 yds if, once you touched down, you threw out a > big stone tied to a rope (and then remembered to cut the rope before you > took off again). > Bradley What is your name?.......What is your quest?......What is the average seed of an unladen Nieuport 11 Bebe? French or British markings? I don't know....Ahhhhhhh -Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | Rodents of unusual size? I don't think they exist. University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 09:29:12 -0400 (EDT) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Duckworth MIA! Message-ID: <199610041329.JAA15849@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Hi everyone, If someone knows Charles Duckworth personally - let him know that his mail system is bouncing messages and I think he is in danger of the server killing his subscription. Ask him to correct the problem or e-mail me. Thanks, Al ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 6:37:09 -0700 (PDT) From: MCCLURE@skynet.litc.lockheed.com To: WWI Subject: RE: Acronyms Message-ID: <961004063709.202222de@skynet.litc.lockheed.com> Add IHA for I Hate Acronyms ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 09:12:04 -0700 From: Jack Berlien To: wwi Subject: Iron Cross Decals Message-ID: Anybody want to trade an Americal Gryphon 1/72 Eiserne kreuze ("iron crosses") sheet #54 for something? I need an "iron cross" style cross with the white outline, to fit a 1/48 DRI. I picked up the above decal set at a local shop, thinking it would work (it was the closest they had) but the cross I need for the fuselage falls right in between two sizes on the sheet. Anybody know which decal set has the markings I need? Thanks, Jack ********************************************* Jack Berlien 214-995-3257 Email: j-berlien@ti.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 10:22:12 -0400 From: "Joseph R. Boeke" To: " List, WWI Modelers" Subject: Two mini book reviews... Message-ID: <9610041418.AA01162@mail.bucknell.edu> The postman delivered two WWI aviation books yesterday (a bright spot for me because I have been so busy at work the last two months). I thought I'd pass on mini reviews... The Curtis HS Flying Boats, 1995, Naval Institute Press (ISBN 1-55750-142-4) by K.M. Molson & A.J. Short. (softcover, 150pp). The book is divided into 2 parts, the first (written by K.M. Molson) details the history of the HS series (HS-1L, HS-2L & postwar HS-3L). There is a nice (but all too breif) chapter on the use of the HS by the USN during WWI. Although mentioned, there is little or no data on the USMC's 1st Aero Squadron, which was the first American aviation unit deployed overseas (to the Azores), much to my chagrin. Part two was written by A.J. Short, and describes the Canadian National Air Museum's restored HS-2L La Vigilance. This section is a treasure trove (IMHO), as it details not only the history of the plane, but its recovery and subsequent restoration. The volume is well stocked with period photographs in the first section and even more well stocked with photos in section two of the restoration. The biggest drawback for me, is that I don't recall one photo of a cockpit interior in either section. The volume also contains a set of three views for each of the three models. If you are a WWI Naval Aviation fan (as I am) I highly reccommend this book. For the modeller, there is enough detail provided to scratch build the aircraft (since I don't recall a 1/72nd version any of the HS boats this would be a necessity. Two thumbs up. ---------- In the Teeth of the Wind: Memiors of the Royal Naval Air Service in the First World War, 1994, Naval Institute Press (ISBN 1-55750-393-1) by Squadron Leader C.P.O. Bartlett, DSC, edited by Nick Bartlett. (hardcover, 160pp). Although the sub-title might suggest that the book is a history of the RNAS, it is actually the memiors of the author's experience as a pilot in No5 Squadron RNAS. It is written in "diary" format and covers in detail the squadrons participation in Ludendorff's Spring 1918 offensive (I skipped right to this, it also covers the squadrons ops against German U-boat pens along the Belgian coast. I have (so far) found it an interesting change of pace from the more prolific memiors written by non-naval types. The book has a number of interesting pictures (some of which are new to me). One of the nicer features of the photographic pages is referencing them to pages of the text (I wish more books did that). There is also a nice cut-away drawing of a 110HP Le Rhone in the appendix (interesting to me, but maybe too basic for most folks out there). Although I'm not done reading it yet, it seems like a good book for the historian out there, but very limited potential as for the modeller. BTW, both these books are on sale right now (from USNIP). I don't recall the prices, but the Naval Institute's web page is http://www.usni.org and probably has more details if you are interested. - Joe +=================================+====================================+ | Joseph R. Boeke | Knowledge will forever govern | | Manager, Prospect Information | ignorance; and a people who mean | | Bucknell University | to be their own governors must arm | | (717) 524-3200 | themselves with the power which | | (717) 524-3610 (fax) | knowledge gives. | | boeke@bucknell.edu | -- James Madison | +=================================+====================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 10:30:41 -0700 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Re: Bebe w/ big stone Message-ID: <325549C1.6B21@host.dmsc.net> Allan Wright wrote: > > > Thanks to the gents who offered info regarding the short take-off of the > > Bebe-- I've always wanted to clear that up. As I recall, you could get > > in and out in under 100 yds if, once you touched down, you threw out a > > big stone tied to a rope (and then remembered to cut the rope before you > > took off again). > > Bradley > > What is your name?.......What is your quest?......What is the average seed > of an unladen Nieuport 11 Bebe? > > French or British markings? > > I don't know....Ahhhhhhh > > -Al Gee Al, I guess I got the story wrong-- let's see..., oh yeah, *now* I remember: it wasn't a Bebe but a DH4, and you didn't throw out a stone but your *observer*-- with a rope around his boot-- and he either hugged a stump as he bounced past, or just dug in his fingernails.... worked every time. Bradley ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 10:33:35 -0400 (EDT) From: "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" To: wwi Subject: Please help spread the word Message-ID: <961004103335.22a1f1f9@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU> Hi, I tried to send an e-mail to Shane Weier, but had it bounced back. I'd be grateful if you could pass along: Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 10:23:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Postmaster@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU Subject: Undeliverable Mail To: Bad address -- Error -- Nameserver error: Unknown host Start of returned message Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 10:23:00 -0400 (EDT) From: "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" To: sdw@gld.mim.com.au CC: KILDUFF@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU Subject: Advance information about "Over the Front" Shane, Until the Bf-109 biplane (with the Pfalz manifolds) makes it down to Australia, here's some information on the greatest thing since penguins: The League of World War I Aviation Historians is a non-profit organization, approved by the U.S. Internal Revenue Service, and devoted entirely to serving its members' interest in studying and preserving information about early military air operations. The League's growing number of regional chapters and biennial national seminars (e.g., 3-day meeting in Washington in June) puts members in touch with like-minded colleagues. In publication since 1986, The League's quarterly publication, OVER THE FRONT, is 8-1/2" x 11" in size and contains 96 pages of text, artwork and many rarely-seen photos -- all within high-quality, full-color artwork and/or photo covers. The journal accepts *no* commercial advertising and publishes an annual, audited accounting of how members' dues are spent (and not on staff, who are all unpaid volunteers; likewise, Board of Director members are nominated by members and voted on by the membership). OVER THE FRONT is professionally typeset and printed on high-quality paper to assure excellent reproduction. OTF offers a wide array of articles and regular features, including: column on markings and colors of the various belligerents, a forum for comments and information-sharing, column for modelers with tips and info for kit and scratch-builders, a book and publication review column, and an obituary column which records the passing of the few WW I fliers still among us. While all members' submissions are on a voluntary basis (i.e., no payment), The League does offer research grants. This financial assistance to aid qualified research projects is made possible by generous benefactors, as all payments received from members go to printing and production of our journal. For more info and a membership application (very tough criteria: you have to write a check) please drop me an e-mail note. Thanks! Peter Kilduff League Publicity Director e-mail: kilduff@ccsua.ctstateu.edu P.S. U.S. subscription rate is $37.00 (for 4th class mail). For 1st Class or overseas rates, please contact Dick Bennett, our membership secretary. E-mail is: 104635.1603@COMPUSERVE.COM Snail mail is: P.O. Box 2475 Rockford, IL 61132-0475, U.S.A. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 08:40:51 +0000 From: Rob To: wwi Subject: Re: New to you? Message-ID: <9610040819.aa17868@scosysv.speechsys.com> Mick writes > picked up the Classic Airframes He-51 the other day ...But why the >hell is it A$50? What are they worth in the 'States? They generally go for about US $29.95. Rob, robj@speechsys.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 14:30:26 -0700 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Wednesday, 4 October 1916, Cazaux Message-ID: <325581F2.247D@host.dmsc.net> Fair day. Began work in early a.m. Hours of work from 7 to 11 a.m. and 1 to 7 p.m. Lots to do and will have to use most of my spare time to write up my observations etc. for Major Parker. Its going to be a big job as there is plenty of interest to write about. Managed to get with Bigelow into an officer's room so we're mighty comfortably fixed. It pays to be an American over here. ******************* from the diaries of E.C.C. Genet, Escadrille Lafayette ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 15:54:53 -0400 From: SHUSTAD@email.usps.gov To: "(u)wwi" Subject: Re: Wednesday, 4 October 1916, Cazaux Message-ID: <0033000001657882000002*@MHS> Crappy day. Began work in early a.m. Telephone wouldn't stop ringing. Had over thirty messages on my voice mail and another 23 email, and an inbox collapsing with 'real' mail. Petty personnel complaints streamed in and out of my office door until noon. Five new project requests came in today along with another staff downsizing demand and budget cut (go figure). Took her up in the p.m., didn't see any enemy, forgot about the office for awhile. Accosted upon landing by a bid protest filed and three 'freedom of information request' demands from surly contractors (is that redundant?) over not being selected for a couple of jobs. Took off for my billet in the late p.m. Three large unexpected bills, and kids ask what I brought home for them. They take off without a "welcome back Captain" when I admit that I selfishly spent the entire 12 hour day slaving away behind a hot desk. Fall asleep after mess. Another shot at the enemy tommorow! ******************** From the diaries of S.A.H. Oz, Bellegered modeller of the Kansas Escadrille (Just kidding - hope you enjoyed it, hee, hee). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Wednesday, 4 October 1916, Cazaux Fair day. Began work in early a.m. Hours of work from 7 to 11 a.m. and 1 to 7 p.m. Lots to do and will have to use most of my spare time to write up my observations etc. for Major Parker. Its going to be a big job as there is plenty of interest to write about. Managed to get with Bigelow into an officer's room so we're mighty comfortably fixed. It pays to be an American over here. ******************* from the diaries of E.C.C. Genet, Escadrille Lafayette ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 19:10:13 -0400 From: Gerald McOsker To: wwi Subject: Re: Vets Message-ID: <3255994F.1245@wsii.com.com> 8th Division, Bad Kreuznach, Ger,any 1965/66. I don't miss it. We had a "Broken Arrow" one nacht when I was Division Duty Officer. Scheiss in der lederhosen bitte? Gerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 19:06:36 -0400 (EDT) From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: German balloon buster Message-ID: <199610042306.TAA05072@ns1.ptd.net> At 08:36 AM 10/4/96 -0400, Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson wrote: >Gents, > >For anyone who has a detailed knowledge of German aeriel sorties in 1918, my grandfather >told a story many times that I would like to confirm for a book I am writing. The >problem is, I heard this story when I was a boy, and granddad never, of course, >mentioned a date-- so it could have happened anytime between March and late October >1918. He was on the Verdun front mid-March to mid-May, at Belleau Wood early June to >mid-July, at Soissons mid-July, sort of all over the map for the next three weeks, then >around Pont-a-Mousson by early to mid August, and at the big training camp at >Bois-de-l'Eveque. At St Mihiel mid September, Blanc Mont early October, moving towards >the Argonne in late October. > >What he remembered witnessing was a German single-seater take out three observation >balloons one after the other. My cousin, years later, remembered that it wasn't three >but five. A few years ago, while reading through the voluminous RECORDS OF THE SECOND >DIVISION, I came across a report, recorded by a Marine officer, of a German plane >destroying four balloons one after the other, so I figured that was more than >likely the event my grandfather saw, as such an occurance cannot have been common. >Unfortunately, I lost my notes regarding that report, and though I have most of the >RECORDS here, I don't know where to begin looking-- there are a few thousand pages. In >any case, if it were possible to verify this attack from the German side, I would very >much like to do so. > >I realize this is a long shot, but would be grateful for any suggestions, etc. > Bradley, This probably isn't the correct incident, but Ltn. Fritz Roth of Jasta16 was a balloon buster of some fame. On Jan 25, 1918 he flamed 3 Allied balloons in 8 minutes. He was flying a DVa in the French sector near Verdun. If this sounds like what you want, let me know. I have a small article on it. Hope this helps. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 19:26:15 -0700 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Re: German balloon buster Message-ID: <3255C747.FF5@host.dmsc.net> Mary-Ann/Michael wrote: > > At 08:36 AM 10/4/96 -0400, Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson wrote: > >Gents, > > > >For anyone who has a detailed knowledge of German aeriel sorties in 1918, > my grandfather > >told a story many times that I would like to confirm for a book I am > writing. The > >problem is, I heard this story when I was a boy, and granddad never, of course, > >mentioned a date-- so it could have happened anytime between March and late > October > >1918. He was on the Verdun front mid-March to mid-May, at Belleau Wood > early June to > >mid-July, at Soissons mid-July, sort of all over the map for the next three > weeks, then > >around Pont-a-Mousson by early to mid August, and at the big training camp at > >Bois-de-l'Eveque. At St Mihiel mid September, Blanc Mont early October, > moving towards > >the Argonne in late October. > > > >What he remembered witnessing was a German single-seater take out three > observation > >balloons one after the other. My cousin, years later, remembered that it > wasn't three > >but five. A few years ago, while reading through the voluminous RECORDS OF > THE SECOND > >DIVISION, I came across a report, recorded by a Marine officer, of a German > plane > >destroying four balloons one after the other, so I figured that was more than > >likely the event my grandfather saw, as such an occurance cannot have been > common. > >Unfortunately, I lost my notes regarding that report, and though I have > most of the > >RECORDS here, I don't know where to begin looking-- there are a few > thousand pages. In > >any case, if it were possible to verify this attack from the German side, I > would very > >much like to do so. > > > >I realize this is a long shot, but would be grateful for any suggestions, etc. > > > > Bradley, > This probably isn't the correct incident, but Ltn. Fritz Roth of > Jasta16 was a balloon buster of some fame. On Jan 25, 1918 he flamed 3 > Allied balloons in 8 minutes. He was flying a DVa in the French sector near > Verdun. If this sounds like what you want, let me know. I have a small > article on it. > Hope this helps. > Mike Muth Mike, I would definitely like to check it out-- if for no other reason than to begin to get some idea how often this sort of thing happened. The 2nd Division was considerably south of Verdun at the time, in the Bourmont, Damblain area, well behind the lines, engaged in training. They didn't leave for Verdun until March 17. But I'd love a copy of the article-- I want to start a little archives of German balloon busters. Can you send me a xerox of it sometime at your convenience? Here's my snailmail-- if it's easiest to send it that way: 333 Wagner Road Morgantown, West Virginia 26505 Many thanks. Bradley ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 20:38:18 -0400 From: roger belanger To: wwi Subject: Vets Message-ID: <3255ADFA.28@concentric.net> I am a Veteran of WW11 served from 2/8/25 ti'l 2/15/46 . Was a hot Radio operator in the Air Corps and transferred to the OSS. wher I finished my time ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 21:00:20 -0400 From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Eduard Message-ID: <961004210018_202354641@emout12.mail.aol.com> The Fokker DVIII from Eduard can fool you! Look carefully at the brass cockpit. It's for the D VII. Delete the Fuel Pump, guage on the left side and the instrument panel. This was a rotary engined aircraft! The fuel tank on the Albatros D types was in front of the ammo boxes. The seat sat on rails between fuselage bulkheads. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 21:04:20 -0400 From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Duckworth MIA! Message-ID: <961004210420_202357404@emout02.mail.aol.com> I will deliver the dispatch! Regards, David Layton ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 21:04:36 EDT From: mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) To: wwi Subject: Re: Wednesday, 4 October 1916, Cazaux Message-ID: <19961004.193148.4447.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Fri, 4 Oct 1996 15:40:44 -0400 SHUSTAD@email.usps.gov writes: Bwahahahahahaha!!! ROTFL!!! What's this list coming to lately? Anybody building, or are we all watching re-runs of Python? Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 21:04:36 EDT From: mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) To: wwi Subject: Re: Bebe w/ big stone Message-ID: <19961004.193148.4447.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Fri, 4 Oct 1996 09:23:15 -0400 AEW@unh.edu (Allan Wright) writes: > What is your name?.......What is your quest?......What is > the average seed of an unladen Nieuport 11 Bebe? > > French or British markings? > > I don't know....Ahhhhhhh Bwahahahahaha!!!! ROTFL!!! The "seed" makes it even funnier. ;-) Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 21:52:06 -0500 From: john@rollmodels.com (John Roll) To: wwi Subject: Re: LZ37 and Waneford Message-ID: >Hi Guys, > >Questions about LZ37, the one Waneford downed: > >What class of Airship was LZ37? > >What color was it? Near as I can tell referring to "Zeppelin in Combat" By Douglas Robinson, the LZ37 was apparently the last of the L9 class of Zeppelins with a volume of 879,500 cubic feet. The L9 was the only ship of that class to be used by the Navy. The rest of the ships of that class, like the LZ37, being employed by the army. This is what I believe I can deduce from the book. It is possible that the LZ37 was actually an early member of the L10 class, but I believe that was actually the LZ38. I'm not so bold as to say I know what the colors are, but all of the similar ships seem to be unpainted. At least they show a patch-work quality quite unlike the later passenger ships which were covered with aluminum dope. Further, the Zeppelins were largely employed during the night such that the reflective qualities of aluminum dope would be far less important required. That's what I think... John (just a big windbag hisself) Roll ******************************************* John Roll john@rollmodels.com Vice President and Chief Modeler for ROLL MODELS, INC. THE Internet source for plastic model kits, books and supplies GREAT STUFF! GREAT PRICES! GREAT SERVICE! http://www.rollmodels.com It's not real soon anymore, it's NOW! ******************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Oct 96 20:34:30 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re: Vets Message-ID: <9609048444.AA844487659@mx.Ricochet.net> Former Office of Strategic Services Operative, Are there any highlights of your OSS service that are memorable as well as declassified? Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Vets Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 10/4/96 5:44 PM I am a Veteran of WW11 served from 2/8/25 ti'l 2/15/46 . Was a hot Radio operator in the Air Corps and transferred to the OSS. wher I finished my time ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 21:07:20 -0700 From: gspring@ix.netcom.com (Greg Springer) To: wwi Subject: Re: And the winner is . . . Message-ID: <199610050407.VAA17195@dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com> You wrote: > > . . . Greg Springer of Austin, TX. Greg sent in the cleverest >reply about air ops on the (post WW I) Antarctic Front, for which he will >receive a lifetime supply of OVER THE FRONT membership applications. I did??!! Surely it was Shane or Erik? I know, I know, you don't want to be called Shirley! Cheers! Greg 'We don't got to show you no steenking badges!' ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 6:36:56 -0400 (EDT) From: "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" To: wwi Subject: Re: LZ37 and Waneford Message-ID: <961005063656.22a229c3@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU> According to the new book _Classic RAF Battles_, ed. Michael Armitage (Arms & Armour Press in the UK, Sterling Publishing Co. in the USA and Capricorn Link in Australia), LZ 37 was an Army airship and the first to be destroyed in the air. The RNAS pilot was Fl-Sub-Lt Reginald A.J. Warneford (not Waneford), who received the VC for this exploit. There is also a painting of the Zepp going down and Warneford following it. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 6:46:04 -0400 (EDT) From: "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" To: wwi Subject: Solomon-like decision Message-ID: <961005064604.22a229c3@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU> IN RESPONSE TO From: gspring@ix.netcom.com (Greg Springer) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: And the winner is . . . You wrote: > > . . . Greg Springer of Austin, TX. Greg sent in the cleverest >reply about air ops on the (post WW I) Antarctic Front, for which he will >receive a lifetime supply of OVER THE FRONT membership applications. I did??!! Surely it was Shane or Erik? I know, I know, you don't want to be called Shirley! Cheers! Greg 'We don't got to show you no steenking badges!' ********************** In all fairness to everyone, Greg, you will receive ONE lifetime's worth of OTF membership applicatios and, as consolation prizes, Shane,Erik and Shirley will receive TWO lifetime's worth of OTF membership apps. Does that keep everyone happy? Peter Kilduff ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Oct 1996 08:10:44 -0700 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Thursday, 5 October 1916, Cazaux Message-ID: <32567A74.4E4@host.dmsc.net> Fair day. Hours of work changed to 7:30 to 11 a.m. and from 1:30 to 5:30 p.m. Target firing all day with all kinds of arms. Interesting but rather tiresome. Got sore arm from so much recoil of guns. Wrote to Mr Grundy to cable to Uncle Clair to send me by cable there Cox & Co. of Paris, 30 dollars will surely need it if I get a leave after finishing here. Bullard the American niger came here today to learn mittrailleuse. ************************ from the diaries of E.C.C. Genet, Escadrille Lafayette ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 281 *********************