WWI Digest 280 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Udet's slogan by gspring@ix.netcom.com (Greg Springer) 2) Re: Jasta 63 by bciciora@wwa.com 3) Re: Pfalz Manifolds by gspring@ix.netcom.com (Greg Springer) 4) Re: Abominations (was Acronyms) by gspring@ix.netcom.com (Greg Springer) 5) Re: Vets by "Leonard Endy" 6) Re: FAQ Material by "Shelley Goodwin" 7) Tuesday, 3 October 1916, Cazaux by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 8) Re: FAQ Material by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 9) Re: Jasta 63 by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 10) Re: Eduard Albatros D.V by Mick Fauchon 11) RE: Abominations (as Acronyms) by "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" 12) And the winner is . . . by "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" 13) Acronyms by NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) 14) RE: Abominations (as Acronyms) by Shane Weier 15) Re: Pfalz Manifolds by mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) 16) Re: Eduard Albatros D.V by mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) 17) Re: Vets by "Douglas R. Jones" 18) Re: Vets by John Huggins 19) Re: FAQ Material by Mick Fauchon 20) RE: Eduard Albatros D.V by Shane Weier 21) New to you? by Mick Fauchon 22) Re: Eduard Albatros D.V by mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) 23) Re: Acronyms by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 24) RE: Abominations (as Acronyms) by "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" 25) Royal Prussian Jasta(s) by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 26) Abominations, acronyms, etc. by "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" 27) WWI in the Air (4 Oct 1916) by Paul Silbermann 28) Re: FAQ Material by Paul Silbermann ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 17:02:19 -0700 From: gspring@ix.netcom.com (Greg Springer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Udet's slogan Message-ID: <199610040002.RAA01346@dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com> Mick (The Antipodean Linguist Extraordinaire) wrote: (in response to Bob) (large snip) >>Also note he >> used the familiar "du" rather than "Sie" for the "you" since that form is >> used with children, servants and other "inferiors." It's also used to show >> closeness and affection, >Yes, with people one knows.......used on those one doesn't know, it >is an insult...... (larger snip) Tom Eisenhour tells an interesting tale of the visit of Chancellor Konrad Adenauer to Texas during the presidency of Lyndon Johnson. The next town west of Johnson's hometown is Fredricksburg, settled in the mid 19th century by German immigrant farmers. Those sturdy bauers adopted so well to their newfound democracy that they dropped the formal usage many years ago. An archaic form of German is still spoken there today and scholarly papers are written about this 'Texdeutsch'. When 'Der Alte' showed up the children sang 'Tief in die Herz von Texas' and the mayor bade him welcome with a speech in the local dialect in which he addressed the chancellor as 'du' in every sentence. Those in the know reported that with every 'du' the courtly Adenauer got progressively stiffer and more choleric looking. When his turn came he replied to the mayor with an extra emphasis every time he used the word 'Sie'. The mayor (whose knowlege of hochdeutsch seems to have been_very_limited) is said to have turned to a bystander and asked, "Who is this woman he's talking about?" (For you non-German speakers 'Sie' is 2nd person formal for 'you' and 'sie' is 3rd person for 'she'.) But I digress. Cheers! Greg 'We don't got to show you no steenking badges!' ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 96 19:12 CDT From: bciciora@wwa.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Jasta 63 Message-ID: Matt asked (none too specifically) for info on Jasta 63. The following is from _Above the Lines_ by Franks, Bailey, and Guest Jasta 63 (Royal Prussian) Formed 16 January 1918 , aht the Flieger-Beobachterschule (pilot-observer school) at Warsaw under the command of Leutnant Fritz Loerzer of Jasta 26. He returned to his former unit on 21 February, and Letnant Hermann Leptien arriverd from Jasta 21 in March as the new Staffelfuhrer, remaining until the end of the war. Operational on 26 January, it moved to Grivy with 18 Armee on 1 February, remaining on this Sector until moving to Bignicourt and 1 Armee on 6 July, then to 6 Armee on 12 August at Sante-Nord, then operating from Ennetiers, Genoch, Ellignies, and Kruisken. Uffz Jan Santjer scored the unit's first victory on 24 March and by the war's end, the total score amounted to at least 16 victories for the loss of seven pilots killed in action, with another killed in a crash. The leading scorer was Leutnant Martin Johns with seven victories. No info on markings, though. Bill C. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 17:29:49 -0700 From: gspring@ix.netcom.com (Greg Springer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Pfalz Manifolds Message-ID: <199610040029.RAA27801@dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com> Charles wrote: > There was a piece in a recent WW I Aeroplanes issue with material from >the Pete Grosz archive (who else?) showing variations on exhaust manifolds. >I seem to recall that a Mercedes 160 or 180 engine might have one among >several possible manifolds. Details in my mind are sketchy about this, but >I remember being quite surprised by the number of possible variations there >were. Matt, is this in your database ?? I think that perhaps the motors were supplied to the aircraft companies with the exhaust ports capped and it was up to the airframe builders to produce (or sub-contract) manifolds suited to the fuselage shape, wing clearance, etc.. Just a theory. Cheers! Greg 'We don't got to show you no steenking badges!' ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 17:41:03 -0700 From: gspring@ix.netcom.com (Greg Springer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Abominations (was Acronyms) Message-ID: <199610040041.RAA22030@dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com> Erik wrote: > >On Thu, 3 Oct 1996, Shane Weier wrote: >> Run fer yer lives. The end of the world is nigh !!!! Read this extract >> from the list >> >> >When you folks graduate to more more advanced all-metal low-wing >> monoplanes >> >(Junkers, et al.), try a Lockheed P2V from VX-6 with big splotches of >> dayglo >> >red. >> >> Yea verily, I know there are those among the uninitiated who would build >> such an abomination in the eyes of the list - but look who suggested it - >> Peter Kilduff , who sittest on the highest seat in the land, author of >> true wisdoms and fisher for souls > > Truly the work of the Unholy One!! For, behold, see how he hath wrought >unto us, this most foul and perverted trick!-- in the fair attempt to send >the words of the Almighty, his nomenclatures have been rent asunder! >Surely, in His light, they must have been upon utterance: > >> >(Junkers, et al.), try a Bristol F2B from Sqn.106 with big splotches of >> Dagelow (Karl) ^^^^^^^ ^^^ ^^^^^^ > ^^^^^^^ >> >red. > >>(oh, Peter, I think you need my soul too. Send a subscription form) >> > ROTFL! Hahahahahahaha! Bravo you two! ROTFL/BCOOMN! OK Peter, send a subscription form to: Greg Springer Box 142202 Austin, Texas! 78714-2202 Cheers! 'We don't got to show you no steenking badges!' ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 20:20:50 GMT From: "Leonard Endy" To: wwi Subject: Re: Vets Message-ID: <19961003202050.00d1370b.in@legend.firstsaga.com> In response this to question from Matt: > >This brings up a good point. How many of us are prior military? I retired two years ago after 22 years in the Army. First two as a grunt (I was drafted in 1972) then 20 more as an MP. And...I really don't miss it! Len _ A clean desk is a sign of a cluttered desk drawer. QWicKeSST - The ultimate database QWK reader, and NO limits. #$678803 Special Compile: 1.032B (Beta) >> Slipstream Jet - The QWK solution for Usenets #$678803 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 96 18:20:22 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re: FAQ Material Message-ID: <9609038443.AA844392040@mx.Ricochet.net> How about the basics? E:Eindecker (Monoplane) C:French:Chasse or Pursuit (single-seat fighter)/ German: two-seat recc. G:Grossfleugzeuge (Large airplane) D:Doppledecker? (Biplane) Dr:Dreidecker (Triplane) S.E.:Scout Expiramental R.E.: Recconaissance Exp? I could look these up, But I'm not gonna. AEG:? LFG:? LVG:? Riordan______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: FAQ Material Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 10/3/96 9:22 AM People, As I go through updating the FAQ, it occurred to me to "spell" out certain abbreviations we use. Here's the list I have so far: Alb: Albatros Fok: Fokker MS: Morane Saulnier Nie: Nieuport RAF: Royal Air Force RFC: Royal Flying Corps RNAS: Royal Naval Air Service SSW: Siemens-Schukert Werkes Can you think of any others? Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 21:44:29 -0700 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Tuesday, 3 October 1916, Cazaux Message-ID: <3254962D.22AD@host.dmsc.net> Good day. No work all day as practically all the new men only arrived to-day. Coming in from Avord all day. Parsons and Bigelow here but not Frey from Avord. Could have remained in Bordeaux after all yesterday and come here to-day. Wrote postals to Mrs. Parker, Miss Mooney and Helen . Commence work to-morrow. System of eating and sleeping here is very poorly regulated. Food is poor. ********************* from the diaries of E.C.C. Genet, Escadrille Lafayette ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 22:36:12 -0400 (EDT) From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: FAQ Material Message-ID: <199610040236.WAA12427@ns1.ptd.net> At 12:19 PM 10/3/96 -0400, meba@cso.com wrote: >People, > >Can you think of any others? Esc. for escadrille A-H for Austro-Hungary/ian CE for crazy glue Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 22:42:05 -0400 (EDT) From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Jasta 63 Message-ID: <199610040242.WAA14291@ns1.ptd.net> At 08:11 PM 10/3/96 -0400, bciciora@wwa.com wrote: >Jasta 63 (Royal Prussian) I'm not sure, but I thought that either C&C or OTF(Come to think of it Matt, there are two more abbreviations for your FAQ) within the past few years did a photo section on the Royal Prussian Jasta. I'll hunt around and see if I can find it and let you know. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 13:06:33 +1000 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Eduard Albatros D.V Message-ID: Matt, > pedantic, you could scratch the fuel tank (wasn't this under the > seat?). Nope, directly behind the motor. You could also sccratch-build the ammo-bins and feed-chutes [as somebody did, whose name I won't mention 80)] > I also like the fact that they include the parts for the D.Va. The head-rest? 80) > > And hey, they include the rear, lifting rings! Now I'm really > impressed. ;-) Yeees, but they don't look right in brass: they're rope. > > This should not be a difficult kit. You 1/48th scale guys have it > easy. Sez you! 80) Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 23:08:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" To: wwi Subject: RE: Abominations (as Acronyms) Message-ID: <961003230809.22a10081@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU> In response to Shane Weier, who wrote (concerning the just-barely post-WW I Lockheed P2V low-wing monoplane variant of one of Prof. Junkers' creations): >Yea verily, I know there are those among the uninitiated who would build >such an abomination in the eyes of the list - but look who suggested it - >Peter Kilduff , who sittest on the highest seat in the land, author of >true wisdoms and fisher for souls (oh, Peter, I think you need my soul too. >Send a subscription form) For your information, this is no laughing matter. You should spend some time in/on what is referred to as "The Ice" and be blinded and dumbstruck by the fierce paint schemes of aeroplanes there -- especially in the Antarctic summer, with 24-hour daylight. Add to that the hardship of no female company except Lucille the loose seal, little more intellectually challenging than trying to stare down an emperor penguin, etc., ad infinitum. Yeah, I know, you've been conned by the popular urban myth that servicepeople in Antarctica have it made, with open galley (24 hours of free chow), access to good Australian beer, free movies and all that. Well, it ain't no picnic. And, also for your information, there IS a post-WW I Bf-109 biplane -- and anyone who has been to Antarctica has seen it on various patrols. And, yes, it is (or was when I was there in '61) decorated in a stunning dayglo lozenge that looks even better than the lozenge-covered Pfalz D.III in the movie "The Blue Max." You definitely need some OTF membership forms. Send your snail-mail address and we'll have 'em off to you faster than Lucille can slither down an ice berg to go fishing. /s/ just plain Peter Kilduff (who can't imagine where you came up with that other description. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 23:25:02 -0400 (EDT) From: "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" To: wwi Subject: And the winner is . . . Message-ID: <961003232502.22a10081@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU> . . . Greg Springer of Austin, TX. Greg sent in the cleverest reply about air ops on the (post WW I) Antarctic Front, for which he will receive a lifetime supply of OVER THE FRONT membership applications. Use 'em in good health, Greg! Peter Kilduff ------------------------------ Date: 03 Oct 96 From: NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) To: wwi Subject: Acronyms Message-ID: <199610040310.XAA16416@mime2.prodigy.com> -- [ From: Kenneth Hagerup * EMC.Ver #2.5.1 ] -- Mike Muth wrote: > Esc. for escadrille > A-H for Austro-Hungary/ian > CE for crazy glue I think CA is the more common term for cyanoacrylate (crazy) glue. I would add: P/E = photoetched Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 13:31:00 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791'" Cc: "'wwi'" Subject: RE: Abominations (as Acronyms) Message-ID: <01BBB1F8.48FBFC20@pc087b.mim.com.au> Peter, You replied in words struck not in stone but in aether; >For your information, this is no laughing matter. You should spend some time >in/on what is referred to as "The Ice" and be blinded and dumbstruck by the >fierce paint schemes of aeroplanes there -- especially in the Antarctic >summer, with 24-hour daylight. Never saw one by Antarctic light, but sat under the wing of an extraordinarily garish C-130 (I think, its 15 years ago) on the tarmac at Christchurch for seven sweaty summer hours waiting for one of the plain green variety to wing me away to places further west - Melbourne. > Yeah, I know, >you've been conned by the popular urban myth that servicepeople in Antarctica >have it made, with open galley (24 hours of free chow), access to good >Australian beer, free movies and all that. Well it fooled me. Thats the *only* reason why I applied to go there in my capacity as an Aust Army Signals type bod. Missed the trip unfortunately, or I might have met half the members of this list, all of whom seem to have been in the vicinity. (Or across a *few* kilometres of ice) >Well, it ain't no picnic. And, also for your information, there IS a post-WW I >Bf-109 biplane -- and anyone who has been to Antarctica has seen it on various >patrols. And, yes, it is (or was when I was there in '61) decorated in a >stunning dayglo lozenge that looks even better than the lozenge-covered Pfalz >D.III in the movie "The Blue Max." Ahhhhhh, now I know where DML got the references for the D.VIII lozenge in my isssue of the kit. >You definitely need some OTF membership forms. Send your snail-mail address >and we'll have 'em off to you faster than Lucille can slither down an ice >berg to go fishing. Shane Weier 265 Hawthorne Road Hawthorne 4171 Australia No ice in these parts. Precious few seals either. And absolutely NO garish P2V's ;-) Shane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 00:53:20 EDT From: mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) To: wwi Subject: Re: Pfalz Manifolds Message-ID: <19961003.205207.4447.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Thu, 3 Oct 1996 16:16:15 -0400 hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) writes: > There was a piece in a recent WW I Aeroplanes issue > with material from the Pete Grosz archive (who else?) > showing variations on exhaust manifolds. I seem to recall > that a Mercedes 160 or 180 engine might have one among > several possible manifolds. Details in my mind are > sketchy about this, but I remember being quite surprised > by the number of possible variations there were. Matt, is > this in your database ?? Nope, sorry. That's one area where my database is sorely lacking. If you have an idea about the general issue, I can look it up. Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 00:53:20 EDT From: mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) To: wwi Subject: Re: Eduard Albatros D.V Message-ID: <19961003.205207.4447.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Thu, 3 Oct 1996 11:52:58 -0400 "Brian Bushe" writes: > yep, it's one of those kits that makes you WANT to build > it. You should also have a close look at the Pup, the > Hannover and I think the SSW III. Hmm...I haven't heard too many good things about the SSW D.III. In fact, one of the local "WW2 heads" tried building it for the WW1 contest I help sponsor last month, and he gave up on it because of fit problems. Now, it just could have been him... > I'm offended that you think you need to point that out :-> Am I that transparent? > The engine in the Hi-Tech kit looks gorgoeus and the small > piece of framing, but is it worth the money? That's the outlook I took. The engine in the Eduard kit isn't bad, and once you start adding pieces, I'm sure you can get it looking even better than the Hi-Tech one. BTW, did you know that Hi-Tech has released the Mercedes as separate castings? I sure hope someone like Atlee does one in this god awful huge scale. I've got a D.VII conversionn, and his top BMW half is quite nice. > Good luck with the kit. it's lovely. Thanks. I got more stuff in the mail today from Greg VW that will help with the scheme I'm doing. Now, there's a "WW1 a/c god" for ya. ;-) Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 00:31:48 -0500 From: "Douglas R. Jones" To: wwi Subject: Re: Vets Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19961004053148.2eef1a6a@deimos.tx.iex.com> At 09:19 PM 10/3/96 -0400, you wrote: >I retired two years ago after 22 years in the Army. First two as a grunt (I >was drafted in 1972) then 20 more as an MP. And...I really don't miss it! Me. 6 years a floatin' and chassing carriers (or trying to sink 'em)! IC1 Jones, at your service '75-'81! Doug -------------------------------------------------- 'I am a traveler of | Douglas R. Jones both Time and Space' | IEX Corporation Led Zeppelin | (972)301-1307 | djones@iex.com -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 00:38:14 -0600 From: John Huggins To: wwi Subject: Re: Vets Message-ID: >In response this to question from Matt: >> >>This brings up a good point. How many of us are prior military? > I retired in 1988 after 22 years in the Air Force. First 5 as a weapons loader, followed by 5 years in the Boeing Water wagon (137 Combat Missions/557 hours combat time in SEA), then 5 more as an Air Traffic Controller with the last 7 in Air Field Management. The past 9 plus years have been in the scale plastic hobby industry. John Disclaimer: Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 15:48:50 +1000 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: FAQ Material Message-ID: > CE for crazy glue PE for photo-etched [whatever that is] 80) Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 15:57:58 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Eduard Albatros D.V Message-ID: <01BBB20C.D18DBF60@pc087b.mim.com.au> Hiya all, That Matt bloke made me start to think with this piece of prose: >I sure hope someone like Atlee does one in this god awful >huge scale. I've got a D.VII conversionn, and his top BMW >half is quite nice. Mmm. I bought one of the Atlee conversions to make my DML D.VII into Gefrieter Scheutzels Seven Swabians. I still have it. Frankly, I think the nose panels are crude, and that anyone who is capable of grafting the new OAW nose onto the DML kit is also capable of doing a far better job of replicating the engine panels than the soft and unimpressive detail on the resin parts. I tossed the engine out too. About half as sharp as the Aeroclub metal ones, and with rather less detail. Not one of my smarter purchases. OTOH Atlees guns are *very* nice, especially the Lewis, though I do wish it was a stripped down mark. I bought this stuff from Rosemont, an eminently professional supplier of goods to the literatii, whose fax no longer deigns to answer mine, leading to a great gnashing of teeth and tearing of hair (okay,okay, polishing of head) over this side of the big water. Regards Shane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 16:27:28 +1000 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: WW1Av Subject: New to you? Message-ID: Hi, guys, Speaking of our friends at Eduard.....or almost.... picked up the Classic Airframes He-51 the other day [in the Scale of Kings, of course 80)]: OK, so it's not exactly WW1, but IMHO it represents the epitome of the biplane, and the last of the WWW1 concept in fighters. HAving delivered myself of that....80), it's not a bad kit: reasonable detail, nice and clean, minimal flash, minimal pe 80), nice decals, scales out well with drawings. But why the hell is it A$50? What are they worth in the 'States? Anyone recommend a good reference source for the '51? Cheers, Mick. P.S. I'll be doing it in Jg 132's colours.....of course 80) -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 05:50:49 EDT From: mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) To: wwi Subject: Re: Eduard Albatros D.V Message-ID: <19961004.044818.4447.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Thu, 3 Oct 1996 23:03:21 -0400 Mick Fauchon writes: > Nope, directly behind the motor. You could also > scratch-build the ammo-bins and feed-chutes [as somebody > did, whose name I won't mention 80)] Whomever did the ammo-bins scratching, could you give me some pointers? >> I also like the fact that they include the parts for the D.Va. > > The head-rest? 80) Blech. > Yeees, but they don't look right in brass: they're rope. I would disagree. If you look at the photo's, they are keeping a perfectly round shape. Sure, you could dope them this way, but why would you? I would say they're metal; otherwise, why call them "rings"? Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 07:42:39 -0400 (EDT) From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Acronyms Message-ID: <199610041142.HAA07338@ns1.ptd.net> At 11:26 PM 10/3/96 -0400, KENNETH L HAGERUP wrote: >-- [ From: Kenneth Hagerup * EMC.Ver #2.5.1 ] -- > >Mike Muth wrote: > >> Esc. for escadrille >> A-H for Austro-Hungary/ian >> CE for crazy glue > >I think CA is the more common term for cyanoacrylate (crazy) glue. I >would add: Yep. you are right. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 7:42:55 -0400 (EDT) From: "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" To: wwi Subject: RE: Abominations (as Acronyms) Message-ID: <961004074255.22a19855@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU> Congratulations, Shane! You, too, have just won a lifetime supply of OTF membership forms. For thosefolks who didn't win, the consolation prize is TWO lifetime's worth of forms. Just send your snail mail address. Peter Kilduff ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 07:52:08 -0400 (EDT) From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Royal Prussian Jasta(s) Message-ID: <199610041152.HAA08741@ns1.ptd.net> I forgot who first asked about Jasta 67, but someone also referred to it as the/a Royal Prussians. I found the photo articles I mentioned earlier in Cross & Cockade Int. Vol. 25 No. 3 1994. It lists the Royal Prussian Jasta 68, 43, 50 & 12. Sorry , I thought there was only 1 Jasta with this appelation when I mentioned the article. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 7:58:36 -0400 (EDT) From: "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" To: wwi Subject: Abominations, acronyms, etc. Message-ID: <961004075836.22a19855@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU> In response to Shane Weier , who wrote: >For your information, this is no laughing matter. You should spend some time >in/on what is referred to as "The Ice" and be blinded and dumbstruck by the >fierce paint schemes of aeroplanes there -- especially in the Antarctic >summer, with 24-hour daylight. >>Never saw one by Antarctic light, but sat under the wing of an >>extraordinarily garish C-130 (I think, its 15 years ago) on the tarmac at >>Christchurch for seven sweaty summer hours waiting for one of the plain >>green variety to wing me away to places further west - Melbourne. >>Ahhhhhh, now I know where DML got the references for the D.VIII lozenge in >>my isssue of the kit. Did you notice that the post-WW I Bf 109 biplane had Pfalz manifolds? Sorry, I didn't make note of the color (colour?). PK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 96 08:03:50 EDT From: Paul Silbermann To: WWI list , , Subject: WWI in the Air (4 Oct 1916) Message-ID: <199610041202.IAA15303@pease1.sr.unh.edu> * * In the interests of "accuracy" (such as it is) I have begun * including "date not confirmed" in entries in which I have estimated * the date of the event based upon the date of the communique/report. * If the entry is -not- marked "not confirmed" the communique/report * refers specifically to the date given. * 10/4/1916 Bad weather (rain and overcast) prevents flight operations on the Western Front. Trevor Henshaw, _The Sky Their Battlefield_ (London: Grub Street, 1995), p.116. French report "bad weather" prevents flight operations on the Western Front. German sources report that one Ltn von Cossel had been "set down" behind Russian lines sw of Rovno and retreived 24 hrs later (pilot: "NCO" Windisch). During the intervening time he sabotaged the Rovno-Brody rail line "at several points. " Bulgarian seaplanes attack Allied seaplane shed on Tashavlu Lake (n of Constantza). German aircraft attack rail station and communication lines nr Rozhishche (betw. Lutsk and Kovel). _Aeronautics_ (London), 11 Oct 1916, p.241. British aircraft attack Turkish camps nr El Arish. "It appears that our recent aerial attack on the enemy aerodrome at El Arish have had the effect of compelling the enemy to move their machines and hangars from that place." _Aeronautics_ (London), 11 Oct 1916, p.242. ***************** WWI in the Air (4 Oct 1916) ***************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 96 08:27:41 EDT From: Paul Silbermann To: Subject: Re: FAQ Material Message-ID: <199610041226.IAA15420@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > I could look these up, But I'm not gonna. > AEG:? > LFG:? > LVG:? AEG - Allgemeinen Electrizitats Gesellschaft (Berlin, Germany) LFG - Luftfahrzeug Gesellschaft LVG - Luft-Verkehrs Gesellschaft and how about: RAF - Royal Aircraft Factory RAE - Royal Aircraft Establishment F.E. - Farman Experimental S.E. - Santos-Dumont Experimental B.E. - Bleriot Experimental (Yes, the B.E., F.E., and S.E. series were actually RAF/RAE designs. However the RAF was originally barred from such but not from "rebuilding" (and improving) damaged RFC aircraft. F.E. originally referred to "Farman-type" (i.e. pusher) aircraft, B.E. referred to "Bleriot-type" (i.e. tractor) aircraft, and S.E. to "Santos-Dumont-type" (i.e. canard) aircraft. With the S.E.2 (originally B.S.1 for Bleriot-scout, since it was a tractor) S.E. came to stand for "Scout Experimental." The R.E.1 (yes, Reconnaissance Experimental) was originally the B.S.2 (again, Bleriot-scout since it was a tractor) LWF - Lowe, Willard, and Fowler (USA) T-M - Thomas Morse DFW - Deutsch Flugzeug Werke RTFD - read the *** directions! SWBU - shake well before using TETE - this end towards enemy SMBIKA - stop me before I kill again Paul Silbermann National Air and Space Museum nasgrb17@sivm.si.edu Archives Division **************These opinions are mine, not NASM's************** ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 280 *********************