WWI Digest 279 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Albatros D.V question by t_eisen@ix.netcom.com (Thomas Eisenhour) 2) Re: Acroynms by meba@cso.com 3) Favor by meba@cso.com 4) Latest FAQ by meba@cso.com 5) Eduard Albatros D.V by meba@cso.com 6) RE: Favor by "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" 7) Re: Re[2]: Lewis Guns/Sorta Off Topic by Rob 8) Re: Eduard Albatros D.V by "Brian Bushe" 9) FAQ Material by meba@cso.com 10) Re: Air: Fokker EIII Update by boeke@bucknell.edu (Joseph R. Boeke) 11) The History Channel Online by Robert Godfrey 12) Re: Pfalz Manifolds by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 13) Abominations (was Acronyms) by Shane Weier 14) Re: Abominations (was Acronyms) by Erik Pilawskii ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 05:44:27 -0700 From: t_eisen@ix.netcom.com (Thomas Eisenhour) To: wwi Subject: Re: Albatros D.V question Message-ID: <199610031244.FAA29597@dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com> You wrote: > >In gathering reference material for the "big build" coming up here, >I've noticed that on the port fuselage side, under the horizontal >tail, at about the point where the fuselage "curves toward the >bottom" is a round, lifting ring. > >Since I've only seen photo's of the port fuselage side, does anybody >know for sure if it existed on the starboard side? I would guess >yes, since it would be easier for two people to lift the tail of the >plane. The Smithsonian Albatros special calls it a lifting "cable" (ring) and, yes, it's on both sides of the fuselage (see photo on p. 85). Tom -- Tom Eisenhour t_eisen@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 07:49:57 -0500 From: meba@cso.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Acroynms Message-ID: <199610030745.HAA23153@cso.com> On 3 Oct 96 at 8:25, Glen typed diligantly: > Ken, I know all of these, pretty bad, eh? > Glen > USA (ret) This brings up a good point. How many of us are prior military? Me, USAF, all the way (don't call me a JarHead, Squid or Grunt! ;-)). And for us, it was BOHICA, Baby!! Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 07:53:21 -0500 From: meba@cso.com To: WW1 Modelers Subject: Favor Message-ID: <199610030748.HAA23381@cso.com> I am embarrassed to say, but... Could Peter, or someone email me, here, at work (not to the list, please) the info for subscribing to OtF? I need it for the FAQ. Again, please email it to me directly, at meba@cso.com I want to update the FAQ today, and if it's sent to the list, I won't see it until the next digest goes out. Thanks. Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 07:51:15 -0500 From: meba@cso.com To: WW1 Modelers Subject: Latest FAQ Message-ID: <199610030746.HAA23254@cso.com> World War I Modeling Mailing List Information and Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) Charter: The World War I modeling mailing list exists for the purpose of distributing information about building models in any scale with subjects from World War I. This includes but is not limited to: Airplanes, Tanks and other ground vehicles, figurines and ships. It is an unmoderated mailing list that is maintained by Allan Wright. Opinions are those of the individual contributors and not those of The University of New Hampshire. Table of Contents: I. Important List Information 1. Subscription Information a. How to subscribe b. Important commands 2. Posting Articles a. How to post b. Seeing your own posts c. Changing over to the digest 3. Archive information II. List Member's Database 1. What the database is for 2. How to be added to the database 3. How to ask for information from the database 4. How to be removed from the database III. Known WW1 Aviation Periodicals and Subscription Information 1. Cross & Cockade International 2. Over the Front (The League of WW1 Aviation Historians) 3. WW1 Aero (WW1 Aero) 4. Windsock IV. Mail Order Sources 1. Aeroclub 2. Americal/Gryphon Decals 3. Atlee Models 4. Aviation Usk 5. Battle Hobbies 6. Blue Rider 7. Koster Aero 8. Lencraft 9. Meikraft Models 10. Model Cellar 11. Pegasus/Blue Max 12. PD Decals 13. Ragwings 14. Rosemont Hobbies 15. Sierra Scale Models 16. Sopwith Hobbies 17. Squadron Shop 18. Windsock Sources V. Between the Wars Discussion VI. Commonly used Acronyms I. Important List Information 1. Subscription Information a. 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Archive Information Past articles are archived and may be accessed via the World Wide Web (WWW) at the following URL: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu This page also contains other information about WWI modeling. List Author and Maintainer: Allan Wright (aew@unh.edu) II. List Member's Database One of the list member's - Matthew Bittner (mbittner@juno.com) - currently maintains a database that contains such information as: Full Name City, State or Province, Country EMail address 40 characters worth of comments 1. What the database is for Since most modelers tend to attend contests all over the world, the database was created so list members can get a hold of each other as they travel. For example, if for some reason you plan on traveling to New Hampshire, you can send Matt Bittner a message (see 3. below) saying so, which he will send back to you all those who live in New Hampshire. That way you can meet up with Al (and whomever else), and tell him just how much the list means to your life. 2. How to be added to the database Email Matt Bittner (mbittner@juno.com) with the following in the subject line: WW1 LIST DATABASE ADD Format the body of the message in the following way: First Name Middle Initial Last Name City State or Province Country EMail Address Comments For example, to add Joe Smith, the body of the message will look like: Joe Smith Elyria OH USA js@elyria.com 1/72nd scale rules! 3. How to ask for information from the database Send an email message to Matt Bittner (mbittner@juno.com) with the following in the subject line: WW1 LIST DATABASE INFO In the body of the message tell him where you plan on going - and when - and he'll send your name to those individuals at that location, and they will get back to you at their discretion. 4. How to be removed from the database Periodically, Matt will get a list of the current list members, and remove those who have unsubscribed. However, if you're still a member, and want to be removed from this database, send a message with the following in the subject: WW1 LIST DATABASE REMOVE You really don't have to include anything in the body, but you could send anything - especially if it deals with the advantage of 1/72nd scale - just to keep his life from getting boring. III. Known WW1 Aviation Periodicals and Subscription Information 1. Cross & Cockade International (C&CI) Membership Secretary Lowe Cottage, Staltonstalls Lane Luddenden Dene Halifax, W. Yorkshire HX2 7TR England Cost is 17.00 pounds per year surface mail (about US$26.50). Note: membership is also available from Over the Front (see 2. below) 2. Over the Front (OtF - The League of WW1 Aviation Historians) Note: you can subscribe to C&CI at the same time you subscribe to OtF. Cost: An additional US$30 surface mail, US$45 air mail. 3. WW1 Aero (WW1 Aero) 15 Crescent Road Poughkeepsie, N.Y. 12601-4490 Cost is minimum US$25.00 per year, surface mail. 4. Windsock (Albatros Publications) Albatros Publications Ltd. 10 Long View Berkhamsted Herts HP4 1BY United Kingdom IV. Mail Order Sources 1. Aeroclub 1a Baker Avenue Arnold, Nottingham NG5 8FW Phone: n/a Fax: n/a E-Mail: n/a WWW URL: n/a Aeroclub produces Vacuform and resin kits in 1/72 scale as well as white metal and photoetch customizing parts like guns, engines, etc. They also carry other brands of Vacuform kits and accessories. 2. Americal/Gryphon Decals 4373 Varsity Lane Houston Texas 77004 Phone: n/a Fax: n/a E-Mail: n/a WWW URL: n/a Sending 3 first class stamps (or $1.00) will get you a catalog and order blank. Presently they offer 100 different sheets, devoted entirely to World War I aircraft mostly 1/72 but with a growing number of 1/48 offerings. Several different lozenge sheets are covered as well as a variations on national markings, particularly German crosses. 3. Atlee Models Gary P. Atlee Models c/o Edward A. Dyer P.O. Box 1030 Roslyn, PA 19001-9030 Phone: n/a Fax: n/a E-Mail: n/a WWW URL: n/a Makers of resin parts in 1/72 and 1/48: Pilots, seats, engines, etc. Very detailed and accurate. 4. Aviation Usk 602 Front Street Usk, WA 99180 Phone: 509-445-1236 Tues. - Fri. 12:00pm - 5:00pm Pacific Time FAX: n/a E-Mail: models@spokane.net WWW URL: http://www.spokane.net/cgi-bin/tame/models/door.tam?cart=96D09fsf.gpu Only call Tues. - Fri. noon-5:00pm Pacific time. They carry expensive resin kits of very rare planes. Kits are imported from Europe and Asia. $2.00 catalog. I have not ordered from this company but have their catalog if anyone is interested. 5. Battle Hobbies Phone: 612-459-5946 Fax: it's there, I just don't know it E-Mail: n/a WWW URL: n/a Free catalog, Lowest prices (especially Eduard kits), They carry most of the above lines. Only supplier of Acadamy/Minicraft WWI kits I know of. They are always the first place I call. 6. Blue Rider Phone: n/a Fax: n/a E-Mail: richardh@stratauk.demon.co.uk WWW URL: at Squadron's site Manufacturer of Vac+Resin Kits, Conversion Kits, decals and accessories. Richard Humberstone of Blue Rider is on-line and subscribes to the list. 7. Koster Aero 8. Lencraft P.O. Box 770 Springville, CA 93265-0770 Phone: 209-539-2973 Fax: n/a E-Mail: n/a WWW URL: n/a Carry Aeroclub, some Czechmaster, Joystick, Eduard, Pegasus, Rareplanes, Sierra, Windsock and others. Also have discontinued kits available. 9. Meikraft Models 4343 West, N.W. Hwy Suite 1001 Dallas, Texas 75220 Phone: 214-358-0792 Fax: n/a E-Mail: n/a WWW URL: n/a Manufacturers of limited run injection molded WWI aircraft usually in 1/72 scale. 10. Model Cellar P.O. Box 388 Horsham, PA 19044 Phone: 215-672-1432 Fax: n/a E-Mail: n/a WWW URL: n/a >From Paul Ondeck - President: "We are a relatively new company specializing in Miniatures of the Great War 1914-18. You may have seen our ads in Finescale Modeler (Jan '94 and Dec '94). Currently we have several resin figures in 120mm and 1/35 scale. Also, we just started some diorama accessories. In addition we have a mail order business that focuses on World War I - we stock World War I model kits from Airfix, Commander Series, DML, Etc." Model Cellar Productions accepts phone orders through the number above and accepts Visa and Mastercard. 11. Pegasus/Blue Max Lancaster House P.O. Box 50 Whitstable Kent CT5 2UX England Phone: 44-0-1227-277-569 Fax: 44-0-1227-770-195 E-Mail: n/a WWW URL: n/a Manufacturers of limited run injection molded kits. The Pegasus line is 1/72nd only, while the Blue Max line is 1/48th. Pegasus also markets decals in both scales. USA customers may order directly from the manufacturer without paying for air mail postage. 12. PD Decals P.O. Box 883 Eltham,Melbourne,Austrailia, 3095 Phone: n/a Fax: n/a E-Mail: n/a WWW URL: n/a Note: these are available through Rosemont Hobbies Manufacturers of WWI decal sets. 13. Ragwings MGS Enterprises 24 Bishopgate Dr. Rochester NY 14624 Phone: n/a Fax: n/a E-Mail: n/a WWW URL: n/a Ragwings are usually limited run resin kits. 14. Rosemont Hobbies 7720 Main St. Suite #5 Fogelsville PA 18051-0996 Phone: 610-398-0210 Fax: 610-398-0210 E-Mail: n/a WWW URL: n/a Rosemont is run by an avid WWI buff. They produce many of their own conversion kits, planes and extra parts. (Ex: rockets, replacement fuselages for different plane variants from existing kits, etc.) Rosemont creates their own custom parts (Roseparts) and has impeccable service. Free catalog. They also carry Meikraft, Eduard and Pegasus models. 15. Sierra Scale Models 910 Indian Hills Rd. Elizabethtown KY 42701 Phone: n/a Fax: n/a E-Mail: n/a WWW URL: n/a This company produces a number of first world war and early WW II aircraft kits in vac-form in both 1/72 and 1/48 scales. Recent releases include an LVG C-VI and Albatros C-VII in 1/72 scale. These are female molded kits with either Aeroclub metal parts or more recently injection molded plastic (low pressure variety). This company has also produced kits of first war twin engine aircraft including AEG G-III (both 72 and 48), Friedrichshafen G-III (1/72) and Caudron R.11 (1/72). Sending an SSAE will get a listing of current kits. 16. Sopwith Hobbies P.O. Box 560442 Miami, FL 33256-0442 Phone: n/a Fax: n/a E-Mail: SOPWITH@worldnet.att.net WWW URL: n/a A new mail order hobby shop in the Miami area devoted to all things dealing with WW I modeling. This shop carries the following recommendation from Steve Hustad: "It's new, I've tried them (pretty good selection), and their catalog is free for the asking. Worth a shot." 17. Squadron Shop Squadron Mail Order 1115 Crowley Drive Carrollton TX 75011-5010 USA Phone: 214-242-8663 Fax: 214-242-3775 E-Mail: mailorder@squadron.com WWW URL: http://www.squadron.com/mailorder/ 18. Windsock Sources Albatros Productions Ltd. 10 Long View Berkhamsted, Herts HP4 1BY United Kingdom Phone: n/a Fax: n/a E-Mail: n/a WWW URL: n/a Wise Owl Worldwide Publications 4314 West 238th Street Torrance, CA 90505-4509 Phone: 310-375-6258 Fax: n/a E-Mail: n/a WWW URL: n/a Rosemont Hobby Shop (see address above) V. Between the Wars Discussion It has been brought up on the list numerous times if there could be discussion on Between the Wars (approximately 1919 to 1939) subjects. Since this is a list devoted to WW1 modeling, large discussions about this time period are to be avoided. However, the list will allow a "feeler" message, where all discussion afterwards goes to private email. So, for example, you want some info on the Curtiss P-1, you would post a message to the list (maybe designate in the subject that the subject is Between the Wars) and then anyone who wants to follow up on the discussion will move it to private email. The important thing to remember is to take the discussion off list. VI. Commonly used Acronyms >From time to time, you may see the following acronyms floating around the list. While most are considered "internet in general", there are a few that are list specific. AFAIK: As Far As I Know BTW: By The Way FAQ: Frequently Asked Questions FWIW: For What It's Worth IIRC: If I Recall Correctly IMNSHO: In My Not So Humble Opinion ROTFL: Rolling On The Floor Laughing RTFM: Read The F Manual RTMS: Read The Manual Stupid SWMBO: She Who Must Be Obeyed TIA: Thanks In Advance TTFN: Ta Ta For Now YMMV: Your milage may vary In the same vein, there are a few abbreviations that should be explained: Alb: Albatros Fok: Fokker Nie: Nieuport Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 07:58:16 -0500 From: meba@cso.com To: WW1 Modelers Subject: Eduard Albatros D.V Message-ID: <199610030754.HAA23699@cso.com> Well, I got the model last night, and after I finish a couple of projects on the bench, it will be the next one to build (especially since Hobbytown is waiting for my review). All I have to say is: I'm impressed. I can see where the Hi-Tech ammo "collector" would be better than the kit one, but I can't see why the gun butts, the engine, and the floor. If you're really pedantic, you could scratch the fuel tank (wasn't this under the seat?). Although the engine isn't perfect, with a few additions it could be made up into a wonderful representation. I also like the fact that they include the parts for the D.Va. And hey, they include the rear, lifting rings! Now I'm really impressed. ;-) This should not be a difficult kit. You 1/48th scale guys have it easy. The only "easy" out of the box kit I know of in 1/72nd is the Eduard Fokker D.VIII/E.V. And to think the only things needing correcting are the fin/rudder, and new, larger wheels. Did I mention that 1/48th is easy? Hey, easy there Shane, it's just a joke. Please, for those easily offended, that last paragraph is meant to be tongue in cheek. Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 11:05:54 -0400 (EDT) From: "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" To: wwi Subject: RE: Favor Message-ID: <961003110554.22a161ef@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU> Matt, OTF info on the way to you. thanks for asking. Peter ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 09:09:34 +0000 From: Rob To: wwi Subject: Re: Re[2]: Lewis Guns/Sorta Off Topic Message-ID: <9610030848.aa03362@scosysv.speechsys.com> Mark writes: > Current Web software (Netscape, etc.) has the ability to encrypt info and > send it to the commercial server. In Netscape an intact/broken key at the > bottom of the window informs you whether or not you are using a secure form > to send your info. Yes, I know. But what LEVEL of encryption? US or overseas-legal? Has Netscape solved its initial problems with its encryption scheme? This is getting away from the list, but before I go in for on-line hobby stores, I need a little more assurance. Rob, robj@speechsys.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 16:51:14 +0000 From: "Brian Bushe" To: wwi Subject: Re: Eduard Albatros D.V Message-ID: <199610031555.QAA17645@itl.net> re: Eduard Albatros D.V yep, it's one of those kits that makes you WANT to build it. You should also have a close look at the Pup, the Hannover and I think the SSW III. > This should not be a difficult kit. You 1/48th scale guys have it > easy. The only "easy" out of the box kit I know of in 1/72nd is the > Eduard Fokker D.VIII/E.V. > They're all easy, you just tell people you've replaced the whole kit with scratchbuilt parts and nobody can see any difference! > And to think the only things needing correcting are the fin/rudder, > and new, larger wheels. Did I mention that 1/48th is easy? Hey, > easy there Shane, it's just a joke. > > Please, for those easily offended, that last paragraph is meant to be > tongue in cheek. I'm offended that you think you need to point that out :-> The engine in the Hi-Tech kit looks gorgoeus and the small piece of framing, but is it worth the money? Good luck with the kit. it's lovely. brian Brian Bushe syclone@itl.net Syclone Systems Denmark Street (44) 1628 789 470 Maidenhead Fax 789 513 Berkshire England ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 11:17:11 -0500 From: meba@cso.com To: WW1 Modelers Subject: FAQ Material Message-ID: <199610031112.LAA16609@cso.com> People, As I go through updating the FAQ, it occurred to me to "spell" out certain abbreviations we use. Here's the list I have so far: Alb: Albatros Fok: Fokker MS: Morane Saulnier Nie: Nieuport RAF: Royal Air Force RFC: Royal Flying Corps RNAS: Royal Naval Air Service SSW: Siemens-Schukert Werkes Can you think of any others? Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 16:39:19 GMT From: boeke@bucknell.edu (Joseph R. Boeke) To: wwi Subject: Re: Air: Fokker EIII Update Message-ID: <9610031635.AA07135@mail.bucknell.edu> In rec.models.scale, ibeipms@accucomm.net (CHARLES T DAVENPORT) wrote: Finished it and it's a jewel. No surprises in construction. Very straightforward use of superglue. If you have yet to build it, consider the use of a square jig to form the fuselage. I did not and managed to build some twist into the frame. Also be careful as to how you butt the "tubular" sections together. There are two sides and two tops. I beleive that I managed to glue the butt joints incorrectly contributing to the twist. Any questions on this, e-mail me and I will elucidate. I substituted Evergreen strip for the front spar and hypodermic tubing for the rear spar. I can provide details. Looks very nice. I added an engine "mount" to the model (Contrail tubing) and extended the engine mounting stub with aluminum tubing. Gluing the prop to the engine, the whole thing spins. Now, someone tell me that the thing did not use a rotary engine. I never checked, just assumed. Uh, oh! The wheel spokes and rims are integral and each wheel is made up of two rim/spoke PE pieces and one injected tire. Since real spoke wheels have a convex profile, I placed each PE piece on a hard rubber surface and applied pressure with a dental tool that had a rounded handle of the correct diameter. The resultant bulge is convincing. I used a Contrail tube spacer to assemble the two wheels to the tire. The undercarriage is nicely rendered in PE but I went ahead and reproduced it in hypo tubing. You can get some "depth" to the flat PE by flowing enamel paint on the piece. I tried acrylic but it dries too quickly to flow and tends to clump. Enamel stays went long enough to flow and dries with a rounded profile on the PE. You can increase the "roundness" with subsequent applications of enamel once the previous coat has dried. -- Regards, Chuck, IPMS/USA 1st VP ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 13:16:28 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Godfrey To: wwi Subject: The History Channel Online Message-ID: <199610031816.NAA18858@guitar.sound.net> >Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 16:09:42 -0400 (EDT) >X-Sender: histrych@interport.net >To: rgodfrey@sound.net >From: histrych@interport.net (History Channel Online) >Subject: The History Channel Online > >Robert, > >You can order "Aces High" by calling 1-800-408-4842 and using the program >code AAE-10468. > >Thank you for using The History Channel Online. > >-The History Channel >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >History Channel Online >histrych@interport.net >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Passed along to the list just in case anyone might want it. Bob G. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 14:21:33 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: Pfalz Manifolds Message-ID: To continue a thread: >What with the digression about valve seats and engine temperatures - >while fascinating - I don't think we ever resolved what the Pfalz >exhaust manifolds are made of. > >Pfalzes and Albatroses both used Mercedes 160/180 h.p. engines, right? >I checked the Smithsonian Albatros D.Va monograph to see if it says >what the manifold is made of. Unfortunately it doesn't. > >But there ARE several good photos of the Mercedes 180 which show the >manifold to be some type of formed and welded sheet metal (not cast). >But what KIND of metal? I'm guessing steel. > >Brian? Can you pop down to the second floor and take a look? > >Tom There was a piece in a recent WW I Aeroplanes issue with material from the Pete Grosz archive (who else?) showing variations on exhaust manifolds. I seem to recall that a Mercedes 160 or 180 engine might have one among several possible manifolds. Details in my mind are sketchy about this, but I remember being quite surprised by the number of possible variations there were. Matt, is this in your database ?? Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 07:36:05 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: Abominations (was Acronyms) Message-ID: <01BBB1C6.B4579420@pc087b.mim.com.au> Listmembers, Run fer yer lives. The end of the world is nigh !!!! Read this extract from the list >When you folks graduate to more more advanced all-metal low-wing monoplanes >(Junkers, et al.), try a Lockheed P2V from VX-6 with big splotches of dayglo >red. Yea verily, I know there are those among the uninitiated who would build such an abomination in the eyes of the list - but look who suggested it - Peter Kilduff , who sittest on the highest seat in the land, author of true wisdoms and fisher for souls (oh, Peter, I think you need my soul too. Send a subscription form) heheh Shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 14:52:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Erik Pilawskii To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Abominations (was Acronyms) Message-ID: On Thu, 3 Oct 1996, Shane Weier wrote: > Run fer yer lives. The end of the world is nigh !!!! Read this extract > from the list > > >When you folks graduate to more more advanced all-metal low-wing > monoplanes > >(Junkers, et al.), try a Lockheed P2V from VX-6 with big splotches of > dayglo > >red. > > Yea verily, I know there are those among the uninitiated who would build > such an abomination in the eyes of the list - but look who suggested it - > Peter Kilduff , who sittest on the highest seat in the land, author of > true wisdoms and fisher for souls Truly the work of the Unholy One!! For, behold, see how he hath wrought unto us, this most foul and perverted trick!-- in the fair attempt to send the words of the Almighty, his nomenclatures have been rent asunder! Surely, in His light, they must have been upon utterance: > >(Junkers, et al.), try a Bristol F2B from Sqn.106 with big splotches of > Dagelow (Karl) ^^^^^^^ ^^^ ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^ > >red. >(oh, Peter, I think you need my soul too. Send a subscription form) > ROTFL! Cheers, Erik :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: "St.Atilla raised the Holy Handgrenade up on High saying, 'Oh Lord, Bless this Thy handgrenade, that with it we might blow Thy enemies to tiny bits... in Thy mercy....'". "...AMEN..." .............................................................................. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 279 *********************