WWI Digest 276 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re[2]: Sanding by "Shelley Goodwin" 2) Re: books help by "Shelley Goodwin" 3) RE: Re[2]: Sanding by Shane Weier 4) Re: Udet, Kempf, and Rigging by Mick Fauchon 5) Re: Udet, Kempf, and Rigging by Mick Fauchon 6) Re: Top five books and models by Mick Fauchon 7) Re: von Raben inquiry by Mick Fauchon 8) Re:Lafayette escadrille Movie by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 9) WWI in the Air (1 Oct 1916) by Paul Silbermann 10) Re: books help by aew (Allan Wright) 11) Re: Lewis Guns/Sorta Off Topic by t_eisen@ix.netcom.com (Thomas Eisenhour) 12) Re: books help by Rob 13) Re: books help by aew (Allan Wright) 14) Re: Re[2]: Sanding by Rob 15) Re: books help by Rob 16) Re: Top 5 models/books by aew (Allan Wright) 17) WWI Mailing List Archive by aew (Allan Wright) 18) Re: Udet, Kempf, and Rigging by Mark Lawrence Shannon 19) Re: Top five books and models by Mark Lawrence Shannon 20) Nieuport 11 by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 21) Re: books help by Erik Pilawskii 22) Re: books help by Howard Rifkin 23) Re: books help by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 24) Favor by meba@cso.com 25) Re: Re[2]: Sanding by Kevin Witte 26) Re: Re[2]: Sanding by Rob ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Sep 96 20:17:35 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[2]: Sanding Message-ID: <9608308441.AA844142420@mx.Ricochet.net> OK, I'll bite. Does anybody on this list actually carve their props out of wood, and if so, what sorta wood? And Now, The Dreaded Bonus: Has anyone fabricated a 'trueing' platform/jig for wing/strut alignment using an old Mechano toy set? I saw this in an old issue of Airfix magazine... Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: RE: Sanding Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 9/30/96 4:01 PM Mike says: > Whew! I had been wondering about this wet/dry sandpaper thing since >I first saw it mentioned earlier but was afraid to ask the obvious. Now, >something even more basic: wet the coarse side of the sandpaper or the back? >Will liquid soap work as well as bar soap? >TIA >Mike Muth Okay, okay, so it seems silly to mention it but.. I use bar soap because the spray painter bloke did, but dishwashing liquid in *very* small quantitis works just as well. On the rough side of course or *you* will slide off !!! Shane to quote Riordan "Bonus Question Time" Does anyone else know of something so simple and obvious it just *isn't* obvious?? Or have a question they feel foolish for asking because they think everyone else will KNOW and laugh? If you do, fess up. You can trust us all to be serious. Really. (Shut up Matt !!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Sep 96 20:58:19 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re: books help Message-ID: <9608308441.AA844142429@mx.Ricochet.net> Roger, I think most of us on this list who don't own the volume would perhaps sell a family member or relative to get our hands on this book. I would suggest that you ransack your local public and college/ university libraries, ask about interlibrary loan and then pillage this treasure at the copy machine. This is much cheaper than paying a collector's price for a much sought-after out-of-print book. Of course if you must have it, you must have it. Try specialty used & rare booksellers such as Barnstormer Books (916)961-3703 or Chris Donaghue Books (415)255-1915. I'll defer to others on the list for further suggestions. And if you have any questions or need for data, just ask-the folks on this list are 'enthusiastic' and phenomenally generous about sparking interest in WWI aviation. Sincerely, Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: books help Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 9/30/96 4:43 PM I am interested in obtaining a copy of a book called ,FIGHTER AIRCRAFT OF 1914.1918 WAR by LUMBERTON & CHEESMAM HARLYFORD PUB. CO. CAN ANYONE BE OF ANY HELP? ROGER BELANGER ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 14:24:30 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Re[2]: Sanding Message-ID: <01BBAFA4.438C8300@pc087b.mim.com.au> Riordan, >And Now, The Dreaded Bonus: > >Has anyone fabricated a 'trueing' platform/jig for wing/strut alignment using an >old Mechano toy set? I saw this in an old issue of Airfix magazine... > >Riordan Yep. And it's surprisingly simple too. My last was for the DML Fokker D.VII. about 8 weeks ago. I used walnut and (big question mark) strip wood purchased from my local hobby supplier, but you can get scraps of veneer from cabinetmakers shops for nothing (or in the case of my last scrounging trip, buy the man a beer and tell him about my models) I laminate the wood using a sandable wood glue - rather like the white PVA glues used widely for woodworking, but which actually dry hard instead of flexible. Whether you use two widely differing colours of wood, or laminations of the SAME wood, the results look very satisfying, especially when theyve been glossed up and had a nice etched boss attached. Regards Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 18:32:40 +1000 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Udet, Kempf, and Rigging Message-ID: Riordon, > Can't offer any major info, but isn't the slogan on Udet's D.VII "Aber du doch > nicht!"? Only "Du doch nicht!"...... This translates to..... "Not you, though!" or "But not you!" Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 18:50:54 +1000 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Udet, Kempf, and Rigging Message-ID: Bill, > Nein, nein! Udet's slogan on all his aircraft, so far as I'm aware, was > "LO!" which has generally been posited as a reference to his girl friend/ > fiancee/lover/whatever although I don't know that this mysterious "LO" > has ever been positively identified by other than by her given name "Lola". She was, in fact, Lore [or Elenore] Schulz, and from the one photograph I've seen, a strikingly beautiful young lady. If the rumour is correct, she was an actress. > have made a -neat- inscription on a Dr.I. Alas, it is not one I'm familiar > with. Kempf's "Kennscht mi' noch?"....["Still know me?"].. ....... comes about the closest I've seen > to a full phrase inscription on a German aircraft. I've also seen "Nicht schie3en......Gute Leute!" on a couple of two- seaters, including a captured Bristol F2b. > > But what was that delightful phrase on the Italian Nieuport which translated > roughly as, "Watch out, you son of a bitch!"? No loso 80( Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 19:10:39 +1000 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Top five books and models Message-ID: > Hey, and to remove bias, I think we'd better make two lists: top 5 1/72 AND top > 5 1/48! ;) Hey! I like this man!! 80) BTW, Jack, we *never* use the word "bias". 80) Welcome aboard! Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 19:29:33 +1000 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: von Raben inquiry Message-ID: Matt, I just happen to have a few > 1/48th jobs, and they're a good break from the 1/72nd > detail (can you say "no brainers"? ;-)). For shame!! You can, but you *may* not! 80) Cheers, Mick. > -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 07:45:20 -0400 (EDT) From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re:Lafayette escadrille Movie Message-ID: <199610011145.HAA10552@ns1.ptd.net> At 10:55 PM 9/30/96 -0400, Riordan wrote: >Thanks for the reply. Is this video still in print, & if so, worth owning? >Any Nie 11s, 17s or? in it? Roughly what percentage of the film are flying >scenes? Riordan It's still in print, but I'm not so sure about owning it. I don't know what it cost, since it was a gift. If you could pick it up for $15, ok. Not a lot of flying scenes, except till the end. What I remember most about the moovie was that it has some pretty good scenes regarding training, with some great shots of the training aircraft, the Penguins. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 96 08:06:44 EDT From: Paul Silbermann To: WWI list , , Subject: WWI in the Air (1 Oct 1916) Message-ID: <199610011205.IAA03268@pease1.sr.unh.edu> 10/1/1916 Zeppelin LZ-103 attacks Calais _Aeronautics_ (London), 11 Oct 1916, p.241; Otto Dieckerhoff, _Deutsche Luftschiffe: 1914-1918_ (Rheingau: Druckerei Weiss, 1973), p.92. British aircraft attack Turkish camp at Kut-el-Amara British aircraft attack "several points of military importance" on the Western Front. _Aeronautics_ (London), 11 Oct 1916, p.241. 9 Zeppelins reported overflying Dutch territory heading w. _Aeronautics_ (London), 11 Oct 1916, p.242. -- night of 1/2 Oct -- 10 German airships attack England. 2 airships attack London - 1 shot down in flames by ground fire and aircraft nr Potters Bar (later identified as L31, CmdrMathy; shot down by 2Lt W. J. Tempest); 1 "driven off;" remainder wander "aimlessly over the Eastern Counties and Lincolnshire." (1 killed, 1 injured; 4 houses damaged). "Several" German naval airships attack London and military targets on the Humber. 1 airship shot down nr London. _Aeronautics_ (London), 11 Oct 1916, p.241; Trevor Henshaw, _The Sky Their Battlefield_ (London: Grub Street, 1995), p.476. -- Claims -- British aircraft claim 1 German kite balloon shot down. British aircraft claim 2 German aircraft shot down. French aircraft claim 1 German kite balloon shot down e of Bapaume (Adj. Bloch , ?th) _Aeronautics_ (London), 11 Oct 1916, p.241. -- British Casualties -- *FE2b No.4863 (No.18 Sqn) damaged by enemy aircraft over 4th Army front (Western Front) WIA: Biette, 2Lt F. C. (observer not injured) Henshaw, p.116. ***************** WWI in the Air (1 Oct 1916) ***************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 08:44:58 -0400 (EDT) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Re: books help Message-ID: <199610011244.IAA03456@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Don't pay too much for this book! Although it's worth any price, being one of the most used books in my collection, I recently found a copy for a friend and I think we only paid $15.00 for it and it was in excellent condition, still had the dust cover. With a little patience you should be able to find it for a reasonable (under $20) price. -Al > I think most of us on this list who don't own the volume would perhaps > sell a family member or relative to get our hands on this book. I > would suggest that you ransack your local public and college/ > university libraries, ask about interlibrary loan and then pillage > this treasure at the copy machine. This is much cheaper than paying a > collector's price for a much sought-after out-of-print book. > Of course if you must have it, you must have it. Try specialty used & > rare booksellers such as Barnstormer Books (916)961-3703 or Chris > Donaghue Books (415)255-1915. I'll defer to others on the list for > further suggestions. > > And if you have any questions or need for data, just ask-the folks on > this list are 'enthusiastic' and phenomenally generous about sparking > interest in WWI aviation. > > Sincerely, > > Riordan > > > ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ > Subject: books help > Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet > Date: 9/30/96 4:43 PM > > > I am interested in obtaining a copy of a book called ,FIGHTER AIRCRAFT > OF 1914.1918 WAR by LUMBERTON & CHEESMAM HARLYFORD PUB. CO. CAN ANYONE > BE OF ANY HELP? ROGER BELANGER > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 06:02:14 -0700 From: t_eisen@ix.netcom.com (Thomas Eisenhour) To: wwi Subject: Re: Lewis Guns/Sorta Off Topic Message-ID: <199610011302.GAA06219@dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com> Riordan wrote: > >QOTD: >What are the dates and differences of the MK.2 & MK.3 Lewis Guns, and >which one 1st dispensed with the cooling jacket? Since no one else has tackled this one, here goes: Mk I (1915 Model): The basic air gun used from mid-1915 to summer of 1916. Fluted magazine holding 47 rounds, shoulder stock, pistol grip, large cylindrical radiator casing (cooling jacket). Jacket usually removed (stripped). Spade grip replaced shoulder stock 1915. Mk II - First appears 1916. Specifically designed for air use by BSA. Appears in France spring 1916. No jacket, retained conical jacket "rump" at base of barrel. Larger 97-round magazine appears July 1916 (47-round magazine continued to be used till end of war). Increased height of new magazine required revised sights. Mk II NOT USED by RNAS, which developed its own pattern - last vestiges of jacket removed, steel sleeve protects gas cylinder. MK III - Approved May 1918. Refinement of RNAS pattern. Few used by war's end, remains in RAF service until WW2. Rate of fire increased to 700 rounds/minute. Enlarged trigger guard. Conical flash eliminator added for night work. All versions should have a canvas bag by the ejection port, 6-8 inches wide by 12 inches high. The source of this fountain of knowledge is Harry Woodman's excellent book, _Early Aircraft Armament_ published in the US in 1989 by the Smithsonian Institution Press. ISBN 0-87474-994-8. Probably a LOT more information on Lewis guns than you wanted to know! Tom -- Tom Eisenhour t_eisen@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 08:43:18 +0000 From: Rob To: wwi Subject: Re: books help Message-ID: <9610010822.aa26613@scosysv.speechsys.com> Roger belanger writes: > I am interested in obtaining a copy of a book called ,FIGHTER AIRCRAFT > OF 1914.1918 WAR by LUMBERTON & CHEESMAM HARLYFORD PUB. CO. CAN ANYONE > BE OF ANY HELP? Good luck. Specialist used/rare book sellers sometimes have copies (for around $100 in my experience). My answer was to get it through Inter Library Loan at my public library. Then off to the cheapo photocopy place. There are companion volumes of bomber/recon aircraft and marine aircraft. Rob, robj@speechsys.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 10:47:20 -0400 (EDT) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Re: books help Message-ID: <199610011447.KAA03970@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > > I am interested in obtaining a copy of a book called ,FIGHTER AIRCRAFT > > OF 1914.1918 WAR by LUMBERTON & CHEESMAM HARLYFORD PUB. CO. CAN ANYONE > > BE OF ANY HELP? > Good luck. Specialist used/rare book sellers sometimes have copies > (for around $100 in my experience). My answer was to get it through > Inter Library Loan at my public library. Then off to the cheapo > photocopy place. There are companion volumes of bomber/recon > aircraft and marine aircraft. > $100 - wow - I must have got an extremely good deal on the copy I found for my friend! Never have seen the the other 2 volumes though. -Al ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 08:49:31 +0000 From: Rob To: wwi Subject: Re: Re[2]: Sanding Message-ID: <9610010829.aa28539@scosysv.speechsys.com> Riordan asks: > Does anybody on this list actually carve their props out of wood, and if so, > what sorta wood? I use strips of cherry from my local hobby shop. Rob, robj@speechsys.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 09:03:52 +0000 From: Rob To: wwi Subject: Re: books help Message-ID: <9610010843.aa03450@scosysv.speechsys.com> Allan Wright writes (couldn't resist): > $100 - wow - I must have got an extremely good deal on the copy I found > for my friend! I think you did. This is the collector price, more or less. To be fair, it may have been for two volumes. > Never have seen the the other 2 volumes though. It's worth an ILL request. The Marine Aircraft vol. is by Heinz Nowarra. How could anyone resist plans for a 1/72-scale Felixstowe F2A or Zeppelin Staaken R-type? Rob, robj@speechsys.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 11:10:49 -0400 (EDT) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Re: Top 5 models/books Message-ID: <199610011510.LAA04172@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Charles (and WWI list), I've added this article to the WWW page - thanks for collecting this information (and thanks to all who contributed.) -Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | Rodents of unusual size? I don't think they exist. University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== > Al, after reading the various email regarding a top 5 kit and book list for > someone entering the WWI aero- > modeling hobby here is my recommendations for the web site on someone entering > the hobby. > > 1/48th Scale > Testors 1/48 Nieuport 17 - easy to find, cheap, simple to complex color > schemes, can be upgraded > with white metal engine, guns if desired to improve > model. > Eduard Albatros D-V/a - very accurate, many colorful paint schemes > Glencoe's Nieuport 28 - cheap, accurate 'out-of-the-box', lots of decal choices > DML Fokker D.VII - good model, lots of color schemes, low rigging requirements > DML SPAD XIII - good model, simple to complex color schemes, easy to build, > good 'first rigging' model. > > 1/72: > Airfix DH-4 - very accurate, easy to obtain cheap > Revell SE5a - same > Airfix Sopwith Pup - same > Revell/ESCI etc Fokker D-VII - cheap, lots of color schemes. > Airfix Hannover CL.II - accurate, interesting color schemes > > Honorable mention:1/32 > Hobbycraft Nie. 17 - large easy to build can be detailed using Tom's Model > Works brass set > > Books: > Jane's Fighting AC of WWI > Harleyford Fighters of '14-'18 > Harleyford Bombers & Recc. Aircraft of '14-'18 > Imrie, Alex. _The Fokker Triplane_ > Famous Aircraft of the National Air and Space Museum, no. 4: Albatros D.Va > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 12:05:09 -0400 (EDT) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: WWI Mailing List Archive Message-ID: <199610011605.MAA04355@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Hello Modelers, For those of you who wish to check tha archives, I've cobbled together a temporary solution. The 1994-1995 archives are back on-line with the familliar threaded reader they always had. The 1996 archives are simply a directory full of the mailing list digests. I plan to have the entire archive searchable in the near future - stand by for further updates. At leasf for now you can get those digests that you miss. Thanks, Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | Rodents of unusual size? I don't think they exist. University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 11:24:43 -0700 From: Mark Lawrence Shannon To: wwi Subject: Re: Udet, Kempf, and Rigging Message-ID: <325161EB.3415@ix.netcom.com> Mick Fauchon wrote: > > Riordon, > > > Can't offer any major info, but isn't the slogan on Udet's D.VII "Aber du doch > > nicht!"? > > Only "Du doch nicht!"...... > > This translates to..... "Not you, though!" or "But not you!" > > Cheers, > > Mick. > > -- -- > Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au > Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 > University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 > Actually, it's an idiomatic expression that is the equivalent of "No, you don't!" -- This has been Mark and/or Mary Shannon at Shingend@ix.netcom.com The good thing about being a pessimist is -- it lets you be pleasantly surprised -- on rare occasions. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 11:26:52 -0700 From: Mark Lawrence Shannon To: wwi Subject: Re: Top five books and models Message-ID: <3251626C.4349@ix.netcom.com> Mick Fauchon wrote: > > > Hey, and to remove bias, I think we'd better make two lists: top 5 1/72 AND top > > 5 1/48! ;) > > Hey! I like this man!! 80) > > BTW, Jack, we *never* use the word "bias". 80) > > Welcome aboard! > > Cheers, > > Mick. > > -- -- > Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au > Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 > University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 > > Now, now, I've been known to apply lozenge fabric on the BIAS! -- This has been Mark and/or Mary Shannon at Shingend@ix.netcom.com The good thing about being a pessimist is -- it lets you be pleasantly surprised -- on rare occasions. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 12:37:09 -0700 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Nieuport 11 Message-ID: <325172E5.7344@host.dmsc.net> Years ago I remember reading somewhere that a "Baby" Nieuport could land, roll to a complete stop and take off again, all in less than 100 yards. Does anyone know whether or not this is true? (great for landing in little pastures!) Bradley ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 09:56:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Erik Pilawskii To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: books help Message-ID: > Never have seen the the other 2 volumes though. > Al, one of the other of the two volumes, "Aircraft of the 1914-18 War" (is this this orig. from the series??), can be obtained from a book shop here in town. However, he wants $60 (!) for the thing. It appears to have material from both the "Fighters" and "Bomber/Recce" volumes. Cheers, Erik :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: "...Then lobbest Thou thy Holy Hand-grenade of Antioc towards thy Foe, who, not being in My sight, shall snuff it...." "...AMEN...." .............................................................................. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Oct 96 13:41:16 -0400 From: Howard Rifkin To: wwi Subject: Re: books help Message-ID: <9610011741.AA30954@velantia.unx.dec.com> > Al, one of the other of the two volumes, "Aircraft of the 1914-18 War" > (is this this orig. from the series??), can be obtained from a book > shop here in town. However, he wants $60 (!) for the thing. It appears to > have material from both the "Fighters" and "Bomber/Recce" volumes. This is the predesesor of the "Fighter...", "Bomber...", Naval..." series. This book was sucessful enough that they decided to make the 3 book series with better drawings and covering more aircraft. $60 is about about the price I've seen. I'm told the drawings in the later book are sufficiently better to pass this one up and continue the search. Howard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 12:11:36 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: books help Message-ID: To continue a thread: >> Never have seen the the other 2 volumes though. >> > Al, one of the other of the two volumes, "Aircraft of the 1914-18 War" >(is this this orig. from the series??), can be obtained from a book >shop here in town. However, he wants $60 (!) for the thing. It appears to >have material from both the "Fighters" and "Bomber/Recce" volumes. A bit of confusion has crept into this discussion. Basically there are three Harleyford volumes on WW I aircraft. The first to be published was a volume on fighters, this included a couple of 2-seaters (i.e. Bristol Fighter and a couple of others). The "fighters" volume first appeared about 1958 and was republished several times. My copy is one of the later editions that I bought in the mid 1970's for about $10.00. It is a facsimile copy of this book, hence the quality of the photo reproduction is fair to poor and besides most of these photos have appeared in other publications. Two other WW I volumes cover Marine Aircraft (one book) and Bomber & Reconaisance Aircraft (a single volume). These both appeared in the early-mid 1960's and as far as I have been able to determine each only had a single printing, making them difficult to find. Prices for the Marine and Bomber books appear to start at $100, though the only copy of the Marine book I have ever found is the one I bought at IPMS Nationals in 1985 for $20.00. As for the value of these volumes, many of the drawings for all three volumes have been surpassed in quality in other places, particularly the Datafile series. Although some of the more obscure Naval types are difficult to find anything else about. Still one has to wonder about the accuracy of drawings that are now over 30 years old. I think that the title quoted above .."Aircraft of the 1914-18 War" is actually the title for the Fighters volume. I'll check at home and post to the group, working from memory at present. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 13:42:25 -0500 From: meba@cso.com To: WW1 Modelers Subject: Favor Message-ID: <199610011338.NAA25603@cso.com> Can someone email me the last digest? Seems like our connection went down during transmission, and I only got a part of it. Could you email it to me here, at work? Thanks. Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 16:41:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin Witte To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Re[2]: Sanding Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Oct 1996, Rob wrote: > Riordan asks: > > Does anybody on this list actually carve their props out of wood, and > > if so, > > what sorta wood? > > I use strips of cherry from my local hobby shop. > Rob, > robj@speechsys.com. > Anybody care to give some pointers on carving these beauties to those of us who were kicked out of Cub Scouts before earning that particular badge? Kev ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Kevin Witte Senior Analyst/Programmer witte001@mc.duke.edu Workstation Development Group http://wdg.mc.duke.edu/~witte001 Duke University Medical Center ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 15:22:58 +0000 From: Rob To: wwi Subject: Re: Re[2]: Sanding Message-ID: <9610011503.aa22984@scosysv.speechsys.com> Kevin Witte writes: > Anybody care to give some pointers on carving these beauties to those of > us who were kicked out of Cub Scouts before earning that particular badge? Yes: patience is a virtue. They split, so I usually have to make more than one effort per engine. Cherry splits less than some other woods, but look for straight-grained pieces with the grain lying parallel to the long sides of the piece (many hobby shop pieces have cross-wise grain, so pick thorugh them). For safety's sake, use a really sharp knife--you don't want to be muscling something as small as this when holding it in your fingers. I use brass washers from HobBits (a railroad item found in hobby stores) and brass tubing for prop bosses. Rob, robj@speechsys.com. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 276 *********************