WWI Digest 257 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Red Baron Game by mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) 2) Re: Red Baron Game by jsthorn@mindspring.com (Jesse Thorn) 3) Junkers D. I by "Mark Alan Johnson" 4) Re: Red Baron Game by John Huggins 5) Wiili Gabriel D.VII by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 6) Re: Wiili Gabriel D.VII by bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 7) Re: Wiili Gabriel D.VII by meba@cso.com 8) Re: Impt note on Super glue by GRBroman@aol.com 9) Conversions by aew (Allan Wright) 10) Re: Hitkits by Carlos Valdes 11) Re: Red Baron II by bciciora@pitneysoft.com 12) Re: Red Baron II by bciciora@pitneysoft.com 13) Re: Glencoe Albatros by DavidL1217@aol.com 14) Re: Red Baron Game by DavidL1217@aol.com 15) Re: Red Baron II by DavidL1217@aol.com 16) Re: Martinsyde Elephant by DavidL1217@aol.com 17) Re: Hitkits by Rob 18) Re: Red Baron II by Robert Godfrey ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 22:21:45 EDT From: mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) To: wwi Subject: Re: Red Baron Game Message-ID: <19960912.202750.4399.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Thu, 12 Sep 1996 19:16:33 -0400 Erik Pilawskii writes: [> One last blurb on this non-modeling thing] True, Virus95 > is a huge piece of junk, BUT, be forewarned: RBII, without > a Pentium (and a FPP) and Win95's 'x-draw' protocol, WILL > CREAP LIKE A DEAD SNAIL. Indeed, absolutely unplayable. > Dang.... Okay, people, I need to set the record straight. I don't know how some of you have set up Win95, but since I program in it every day, I have no problems with it. Sure, it's not the best operating system (as far as operating systems go, a bare bones Unix is much better), but it is far better - and more stable than - Win3.x. I am not a Microsoft-wannabe. As a whole, I can't stand MS, but their software isn't too bad. Programming in it can make you see a different light. There, enough $.02. Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 22:57:47 -0400 From: jsthorn@mindspring.com (Jesse Thorn) To: wwi Subject: Re: Red Baron Game Message-ID: > [One last blurb on this non-modeling thing] True, Virus95 is a huge >piece of junk, BUT, be forewarned: RBII, without a Pentium (and a FPP) and >Win95's 'x-draw' protocol, WILL CREAP LIKE A DEAD SNAIL. Indeed, >absolutely unplayable. Dang.... What?!?!?! You use Microsoft Bloatware on Wintel boxes and not the elegant Macintosh? Is this a symptom of the dread 72nd Scale Syndrome? If Richtofen had used a personal computer, what would it have been? And what color would he have painted it? Jesse ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 00:17:14 CDT From: "Mark Alan Johnson" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Junkers D. I Message-ID: <55ED8D02F9@ASMS1.DSC.K12.AR.US> Dear list members: Does anyone have a 1/48 Lone Star Junkers D. I that they would like to sell? Sincerely, Mark Johnson Arkansas School for Math and Science 200 Whittington Ave. Hot Springs, AR 71901 (501)622-5213 e-mail address: markj@asms1.dsc.k12.ar.us ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 00:30:29 -0500 (CDT) From: John Huggins To: wwi Subject: Re: Red Baron Game Message-ID: >> [One last blurb on this non-modeling thing] True, Virus95 is a huge >>piece of junk, BUT, be forewarned: RBII, without a Pentium (and a FPP) and >>Win95's 'x-draw' protocol, WILL CREAP LIKE A DEAD SNAIL. Indeed, >>absolutely unplayable. Dang.... > > >What?!?!?! You use Microsoft Bloatware on Wintel boxes and not the elegant >Macintosh? Is this a symptom of the dread 72nd Scale Syndrome? If Richtofen >had used a personal computer, what would it have been? And what color would >he have painted it? > It would have been a MAC painted Red with a Turbo Mouse equiped with a bright Red ball. That would have been the one in his quarters. He would have had a color powerbook with him when he was away from the base to keep track of all the little things and a Newton in the cockpit for handy referance and note taking. JPH Disclaimer: Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 23:31:35 -0700 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Wiili Gabriel D.VII Message-ID: <199609130631.AA29806@ednet1.orednet.org> Playing my favorite game of looking at the photographs this evening, I chanced across a photo of Willi Gabriel's Jasta 11 D.VII - with Willi himself in the photo. Now, while this aircraft has been traditionally depicted as having a light blue tail with orange stripes, (I think the old Renwall "Aeroskin" kit used this color scheme) the more I look at the photo, the more the tail looks streaked olive with -white- stripes. Indeed, comparing the tonal quality cross surrounds with the tonal quality of the tail stripes, it seems that the stripes on the tail almost -have- to be white. If anyone else has it, I'm looking at the photo on page 9 of the old Profile Publications No. 25 on the D.VII Any thoughts? Cheers, -- -Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 07:54:05 -0400 (EDT) From: bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Wiili Gabriel D.VII Message-ID: <199609131154.HAA05307@ns1.ptd.net> At 02:31 AM 9/13/96 -0400, Bill Shatzer wrote: > > >Playing my favorite game of looking at the photographs this evening, >I chanced across a photo of Willi Gabriel's Jasta 11 D.VII - with >Willi himself in the photo. > >Now, while this aircraft has been traditionally depicted as having >a light blue tail with orange stripes, (I think the old Renwall >"Aeroskin" kit used this color scheme) the more I look at the photo, >the more the tail looks streaked olive with -white- stripes. > >Indeed, comparing the tonal quality cross surrounds with the tonal >quality of the tail stripes, it seems that the stripes on the tail >almost -have- to be white. > >If anyone else has it, I'm looking at the photo on page 9 of the old >Profile Publications No. 25 on the D.VII > >Any thoughts?> I'm not a tonal comparer(if such a thing really exists). However, I think there are some good photos in the Datafile Flting Circus Special that show Willi's D-VII. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 07:02:19 -0500 From: meba@cso.com To: WW1 Modelers Subject: Re: Wiili Gabriel D.VII Message-ID: <199609130658.GAA22389@cso.com> On 13 Sep 96 at 5:53, Bill Shatzer typed diligantly: > Playing my favorite game of looking at the photographs this > evening, I chanced across a photo of Willi Gabriel's Jasta 11 > D.VII - with Willi himself in the photo. What does the photo look like? There are two with Willi in or next to his plane in the Windsock special _von Richtofen's Flying Circus_: the first one is an almost direct shot of the port fuselage, with Willi in the plane. The other is Willi standing off to one side of - and a little behind - his plane with the photo taken from the rear of the plane. In this photo you can see to good effect the stripes on the horizontal tail. > Now, while this aircraft has been traditionally depicted as having > a light blue tail with orange stripes, (I think the old Renwall > "Aeroskin" kit used this color scheme) the more I look at the > photo, the more the tail looks streaked olive with -white- stripes. The rear fuselage - from the rear edge of the cross to the rear of the fuselage - is definitely a very dark solid color (except for the white rudder, of course ;-)). > Indeed, comparing the tonal quality cross surrounds with the tonal > quality of the tail stripes, it seems that the stripes on the tail > almost -have- to be white. I would have to disagree. Pages 60 and 61 of the special has many photo's specifically of 268/18 (Gabriel's Fokker D.VII) as well as photo's containing 268/18. The stripe(s) on the rear fuselage is definitely darker than the cross surround. These photo's are of the plane before and after the orange stripe on the fuselage (forward of the cross) was painted. Plus, Greg VW made a color plate with the blue stripe. While he's not perfect, I do tend to trust his judgement. Both Steve and I have built this bird. Naturally, Steve's is better than mine, but mine is before the fuselage stripe was painted, and his was after. (A good case of personal interpretation, indeed!) > If anyone else has it, I'm looking at the photo on page 9 of the old > Profile Publications No. 25 on the D.VII What does this photo look like? How is Willi positioned in it? I'm wondering if this photo is one that is in the special, or if it's a different photo altogether. Unfortunately, I don't have this Profile. Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 09:01:30 -0400 From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Impt note on Super glue Message-ID: <960913090129_477804585@emout09.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 96-09-12 12:38:53 EDT, you write: >One that that i would reiterate (as it has been mentioned) is >to make sure you sand the superglue filler when it has just set. if >you leave it for an hour it becomes harder than the plastic and is >VERY hard to sand. This is very true, I waited too long once and had to do some heavy duty sanding. And we *all* know how unforgiving a belt sander can be to an Albatross wing root... :) Glen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 09:17:26 -0400 (EDT) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Conversions Message-ID: <199609131317.JAA13073@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Hi all, I've added Matt's excellent article on correcting and converting the ESCI/Revell Nieuport 17 kit to the WWW page - enjoy! -Al P.S. Thanks to Matt for the article. =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | Rodents of unusual size? I don't think they exist. University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 10:09:22 -0400 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Cc: Supplydpt@ao.com Subject: Re: Hitkits Message-ID: <2.2.16.19960913084113.22174994@conted.swann.gatech.edu> I have the 53/153 and 153 Albatros kits, and while I haven't done anything with them, I can offer some impressions. The Good: 1. Nice box art. 2. Good choice of markings. 3. Illustrated step-by-step instructions. 4. Very good photoetched parts 5. Accurate outlines. 6. Thin wing surfaces. The Bad: 1. Flash. 2. Poor engines. 3. No gun barrels (all you would see on these birds). 4. Questionable decal quality. 5. Soft surface details. 6. Lower wings in left/right pieces (making for difficult fuselage attachment). A Comparison: The logical comparison is with the new Pegasus kits. These lack the decal choices, illustrated instructions, and photoetch parts. However, surface detail is much crisper, and the parts breakdown much easier to work with. They are also more expensive. Conclusion: It's good to have a choice! Overall, the Pegasus kits are better models, but the HitKit ones are just as accurate, according to the Datafile plans. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 96 09:12 CDT From: bciciora@pitneysoft.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Red Baron II Message-ID: Jesse pleaded: > Please tell me they will do a Mac version! No such news forthcoming, sorry. Even the Intel version will be Win95 only. One of the hardest core Mac bigots in Flight Sim Forum finally had to break down and get an Intel machine to help feed his flight sim addiction . Flight sims are probably the most programmer-intensive applications written for personal computers, especially if done properly. The game software companies aren't going to pour expensive developer dollars into a market that has maybe a quarter of the payoff that the Intel market has. Sorry to bear bad tidings, but that's the state of the flight sim market as I see it today. I don't see it changing soon either. Maybe someone with heavy PC programming experience on this list can tell us differently. I don't know which languages would port easily between platforms, yet maintain the all-important frame rate necessary for flight sims. Sorry for the off-topic stuff. At least it's about a WWI flight sim. Bill C. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 96 09:24 CDT From: bciciora@pitneysoft.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Red Baron II Message-ID: Marty wrote: >I'd also not panic on the Win95 issue for RB2 either. I got Earth Siege 2, >an S.F. game for Win95, and it also had a Win3.1 install program not even >mentioned on the box. I certainly wouldn't switch to Win95 unless I had to. >(I did and I'm sorry.) Red Baron 2 is *absolutely* Win95 only. It will not run under Win 3.1. This info is direct from a Dynamix rep who is on the RB2 development team. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 12:00:04 -0400 From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Glencoe Albatros Message-ID: <960913120004_101126730@emout08.mail.aol.com> The molds for this kit are bad! However, photos of the masters shown in Windsock were quite excellent! Unfortunately, Glencoe went to a less than reputable mold cutter in Korea and should have been a world class model at an affordable price is now a joke on the level of Revell's 1/28 Fokker DVII. (However, Glencoe can be forgiven.) If you call yourself a modeler and treat the Glencoe DIII like a vacuform kit you can make an excellent model as it is accurate per plan form. I had to trim a bit off of the turtle deck and the tail. Interior, engines and other bits are best added from Aeroclub and others. Interior structures and details will need to be scratched built. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 12:03:18 -0400 From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Red Baron Game Message-ID: <960913120317_101128680@emout04.mail.aol.com> The Sierra web page heavily promotes Red Baron ZWEI as already out. I called Sierra last week. It is due for release in mid November. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 12:17:21 -0400 From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Red Baron II Message-ID: <960913121720_101137166@emout16.mail.aol.com> Any word as to whether or not the front will move per the historical time frames? How many aircraft can be in a dogfight? The Sierra webpage photos show camoflaged SPAD XIII's with American and French roundels. They also feature Hannover Cl III's. It's a shame the introduction has had so many delays. "It is a cruel world, Herr Hauptmann..." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 12:28:32 -0400 From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Martinsyde Elephant Message-ID: <960913122830_101144458@emout05.mail.aol.com> After doing a couple of 1/48th DML kits, I am refreshing my finesse skills on a 1/72 Roseplane Elephant vacuform kit. The Windsock piece in WWI Airplanes Volume 1 has provided the pattern for the interior framing with Evergreen strip. (.20 x .30) and cockpit details. I am replacing the faux engine cover with a Plum Blossom resin Beardmore. Since the front of the fuselage is opened and various slots are as well, I need to know where the radiator sat. I assume that it was behind the engine and in front of the gas tank. Any references for this? I want to up my vacuform technique with underwing ribs. What is the best method? I may even replace the same on the upper wing. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 08:48:27 +0000 From: Rob To: wwi Subject: Re: Hitkits Message-ID: <9609130835.aa20278@scosysv.speechsys.com> Gerry writes: > I happened to pick up the September issue of Scale Aviation Modeler from > England ... I am much impressed with SAM and am thinking of ordering a > subscription. Lots of " how to" stuff. Dr. Rimmell should perhaps take a > leaf from their book. Windsock could be so much more valuable with more how > to stuff. Nu? I too enjoy SAM. But caveat emptor. Some of the stuff in here is of dubious accuracy and the modeling is not generally of the highest standard (this is, in fact, one of the things I like about it). An example: take a look at the Eduard Albatros article a month or two back. It uses markings for a D.III and sings the praises of that horrible, crayon-like "wood-grain" decal for fuselages. Rob, robj@speechsys.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 17:21:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Godfrey To: wwi Subject: Re: Red Baron II Message-ID: <199609132221.RAA28385@guitar.sound.net> At 10:33 AM 9/13/96 -0400, you wrote: >Marty wrote: > >>I'd also not panic on the Win95 issue for RB2 either. I got Earth Siege 2, >>an S.F. game for Win95, and it also had a Win3.1 install program not even >>mentioned on the box. I certainly wouldn't switch to Win95 unless I had to. >>(I did and I'm sorry.) > >Red Baron 2 is *absolutely* Win95 only. It will not run under Win 3.1. >This info is direct from a Dynamix rep who is on the RB2 development >team. > >Bill > ___________________________________________ Hello All I'm amazed at all the people besides myself who seem to be hooked on Red Baron game. I like and have liked it for years along with the mission builder . . . you should see some ot the "missions" now that I have a bit more memory--attacking zepplins with Fokker triplanes. Anyway, I too am a stick-in-the-mud windows 3.1 so it's bitterly dissappointing to see the new RBII won't be runable on my computer. They m-u-s-t be planning on making other versions of it for all of us who don't choose to go to 95. On the other hand, considering the features others have mentioned, 3.1 simply might not be able to handle all those graphics at the needed speed. I hope not. Regards, -- RGG ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 257 *********************