WWI Digest 25 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Some interesting tidbits by "Matt Bittner" 2) Re: Some interesting tidbits by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 3) One other GVW tidbit by "Matt Bittner" 4) No new eduard yet by "Brian Bushe" 5) Re: One other GVW tidbit by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 6) Re: One other GVW tidbit by Jesse Thorn 7) Re: One other GVW tidbit by "Matt Bittner" 8) Roland C.II colors and other ramblings by Jim Elkins 9) Re: Roland C.II colors and other ramblings by aew (Allan Wright) 10) Re: Roland C.II colors and other ramblings by "Matt Bittner" 11) Datafile subscriptions by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 12) wwi art by "Jim Wallace" 13) Re: wwi art by aew (Allan Wright) 14) Re: Roland C.II colors and other ramblings by The Flying Wrench 15) Re: Re[2]: Douglas World Cruiser by bshatzer@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Bill Shatzer) 16) Re: Roland C.II colors and other ramblings by The Flying Wrench 17) Re: One other GVW tidbit by Jesse Thorn 18) Douglas World Cruiser by Brian Nicklas 19) Glencoe Pfalz D.III by bciciora@pitneysoft.com (Bill Ciciora) 20) cool web site -- USAF museum by stonto@seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu 21) cone de penetration - and a quiz by SDW@qld.mim.com.au 22) RE: Revell 1/28 Fokker DVII by SDW@qld.mim.com.au 23) RE: cone de penetration by SDW@qld.mim.com.au 24) Re: One other GVW tidbit by Jose Valenciano 25) Re: Windsock (was Roland C.II) by "John P. Roll" 26) Re: Revell 1/28 D VII - AARRGGHH!! by gspring@ix.netcom.com (Greg Springer ) 27) Re: Sign D-VIII <> Edward D-VIII by NPWE28A@prodigy.com (LCDR KENNETH L HAGERUP) 28) Re: Fok F1/DR1 color scheme by Mick Fauchon ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 10:35:03 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: WW1 Modelers Subject: Some interesting tidbits Message-ID: <199602061123.LAA18046@cso.com> Talked to Greg VanWyngarden last night, and a Fokker D.VII Datafile Special is imminent. All that was brought out was that it would be out sometime this year. Also watch Grub Street and Flying Machines Press. Unfortunately, that's all I can say. Just pay attention... Matt -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Matthew Bittner WW1 Modeler, ecto subscriber, semi-new dad, meba@cso.com PowerBuilder developer; Omaha, Nebraska Disclaimer: opinions expressed by me are my responsibility only. "You cannot make anything foolproof, because the fools are so ingenious." - Christian Walters -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 11:47:39 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: Some interesting tidbits Message-ID: >Talked to Greg VanWyngarden last night, and a Fokker D.VII Datafile >Special is imminent. All that was brought out was that it would be >out sometime this year. > >Also watch Grub Street and Flying Machines Press. Unfortunately, >that's all I can say. Just pay attention... > > Well, that's all they are, titbits, someone else got the meat. Flying Machines Press is supposed to bring out the late Marty O'Connor's unfinished work on Italian aircraft. I believe that Alan Durkota was to finish this work for him. On the subject of books, I just received from the Aviation Bookshop in the UK a copy of a Russian book on the Sikorsky S-XVI. A very nice publication with good 1:48 drawings and photos that probably have never been seen in the West before now, including very nice construction details. The Aviation Bookshop gave very good service for my credit card order and sent along a catalog with a lot of goodies in it as well, in cluding a number of things I have not seen listed for US booksellers. I'll try and remember the address and phone tomorrow. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 11:49:09 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: WW1 Modelers Subject: One other GVW tidbit Message-ID: <199602061237.MAA19193@cso.com> How about a 1/48th vac Gotha G.V? Matt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 17:34:32 +0000 From: "Brian Bushe" To: wwi Subject: No new eduard yet Message-ID: <199602061805.NAA04759@pease1.sr.unh.edu> take a couple of days off and this list alone piles up 300 odd messages! didn't read all sorry (i read this at work) but to answer a couple of things: -no new eduard kits at Hannants as of last weekend. also they hadn't received them at the warehouse. they usually get them first. -Hi Joey, i'm still alive, AND i've still got you an issue of Windsock so send that mail address.... -hey, i actually finished a model! i've got an attractive little quarter scale kit, complete with most of the mods suggested by the august members of this groups....congrats guys, it's a pup! brian.bushe@harrier.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 12:30:00 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: One other GVW tidbit Message-ID: >How about a 1/48th vac Gotha G.V? > > Who is the maker ??? Where's the meat?? Charles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 13:32:06 -0500 (EST) From: Jesse Thorn To: wwi Subject: Re: One other GVW tidbit Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Feb 1996, Matt Bittner wrote: > How about a 1/48th vac Gotha G.V? > Where do I send a check and for how much?!?!? --Jesse "It was PIG NITE at the OM mane padme Sigma House." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 13:05:25 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: wwi Subject: Re: One other GVW tidbit Message-ID: <199602061354.NAA19993@cso.com> On 6 Feb 96 at 13:16, Charles Hart typed diligently: > >How about a 1/48th vac Gotha G.V? > > > > > Who is the maker ??? Where's the meat?? On 6 Feb 96 at 13:16, Jesse Thorn typed diligently: > Where do I send a check and for how much?!?!? Sorry, that's all the meat I can give. Just watch the major, WW1, 1/48th vac vendors. No release date yet, but it sounds true. Matt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Feb 1996 13:13:20 From: Jim Elkins To: wwi Subject: Roland C.II colors and other ramblings Message-ID: <199602061913.OAA21402@mail-e1b.gnn.com> I want to echo the sentiment that a fellow-poster submitted. Thanks for the overwhelming response to my resin questions. Alas, another question has arisen! The Roland C.II 'Walfisch' with the 'shark-mouth' is a fascinating specimen. Could someone assist on the color scheme? I contacted Wise Owl Worldwide Publications in reference to a subscription to WINDSOCK and the datafiles ($72.00 Windsock alone & $155.00 for Datafile updates)...YIKES! But well worth it I'm sure...Anyone cheaper out there ? An Over The Front issue from 1994 (I'll check the actual vol. & issue and post later) has an article pertaining th Voss' death. It suggests the possibility that Voss ran out of gas (Not him personally! It's not the fall that kills you, it is the sudden stop at the end!). I believe, and will check when I find it, if the writer gives any credence to this theory. Plus, also stated the fact that Pfalz's were used in the Jagdstaffel 10. Which would, as several had suggested, explain the 'silver acft'. Man, I thought turning thirty was BAD! Jim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 14:14:59 -0500 (EST) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Re: Roland C.II colors and other ramblings Message-ID: <199602061915.OAA05398@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > Alas, another question has arisen! The Roland C.II 'Walfisch' with > the 'shark-mouth' is a fascinating specimen. Could someone assist > on the color scheme? There's a fairly poor quality scan (usefull nonetheless) on the WWW page at: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu:70/I/Images/roland.jpg The colors are a bit dark, but still usefull. -Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | I'm not left handed either! - The Man in Black University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling Mosaic Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 13:28:25 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: wwi Subject: Re: Roland C.II colors and other ramblings Message-ID: <199602061417.OAA20454@cso.com> On 6 Feb 96 at 14:11, Jim Elkins typed diligently: > Alas, another question has arisen! The Roland C.II 'Walfisch' with > the 'shark-mouth' is a fascinating specimen. Could someone assist > on the color scheme? Which one? A lot of the Walfisch (Wal, or Wai?) had shark mouths painted on them. Typically, though, C.II's were finished in a light blue/grey overall. However, variants were many... Nothing like completely answering someone's question, eh? Working on the Airfix kit? > I contacted Wise Owl Worldwide Publications in reference to a > subscription to WINDSOCK and the datafiles ($72.00 Windsock alone & > $155.00 for Datafile updates)...YIKES! But well worth it I'm > sure...Anyone cheaper out there ? Not necessarily cheaper, but Rosemont lets you purchase them as they come in. They come into Rosemont, you supply them with a credit card number, and voila! card charged, and Windsock on the way. > Man, I thought turning thirty was BAD! Hey, remember that age is a state of mind. If you think you're old, then you probably are. If you're think you're young, then you act immature, being think you're wierd, and you live longer! Hey, just being in this hobby people think I'm wierd, so I guess I'm have way there. Well, I don't exactly act immature all the time. Why do you think I collect toys? And build models? It's good ta-be young (in the best Mel Brooks immitation I can muster). Gads, rambling does wierd things to the brain... Matt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 13:54:30 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Datafile subscriptions Message-ID: Jim typed: > >I contacted Wise Owl Worldwide Publications in reference to a >subscription to WINDSOCK and the datafiles ($72.00 Windsock alone & >$155.00 for Datafile updates)...YIKES! But well worth it I'm >sure...Anyone cheaper out there ? > I have stated this in several posts and will try and make the point again. The CHEAPEST way to get this stuff is go direct to the source. It makes for maximum return to the originator, in this case Ray Rimell. Ray will accept your personal check, written in US Dollars ($), for Windsock subscriptions, Datafile subscriptions, orders of Datafile Specials, anything you want from him. All it takes is to look at his order forms, and convert the price in British Pounds Sterling to US Dollars. There are even a couple of Web sites that will give you daily quotes on the Exchange rate on Dollars to any currency you want. In writing a check to Albatros Publications from a U.S. bank you need to add the equivalent of 3.00 Pounds for bank charges (this is small compared to what most U.S. banks will charge for the same service, believe me !!). If you buy a lot of stuff at one time, (single Datafiles or Specials) you don't even have to pay any postage for surface mail. I don't have the subscription rates with me now but check here tomorrow and I will do the arithmatic tonight and post it. You will save a lot. For currency exchange rate information surf on over to: http://cnnfn.com/markets/currencies.html As of 12:05 Eastern Time, 6 Feb. 1996, one British Pound = $1.5401 Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Feb 96 14:39:03 EST From: "Jim Wallace" To: wwi Subject: wwi art Message-ID: <9601068236.AA823647239@smtphost.dca.com> Alan, I think you mean Alfred Owles. I have a print of his on my office wall (about 5'x3') that I bought at Guntersville. If yours are signed or limited editions you got a really good deal. If not, and the frames are nice you got an ok deal. An unsigned print is basically just a good mass produced copy. The frames are probably worth over $100 each. On the philophical side, the main thing is that *you* like it. I don't think you bought them to make money. Regards, Jim W. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 14:58:58 -0500 (EST) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Re: wwi art Message-ID: <199602061958.OAA05752@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > I think you mean Alfred Owles. I have a print of his on my office > wall (about 5'x3') that I bought at Guntersville. If yours are signed > or limited editions you got a really good deal. If not, and the > frames are nice you got an ok deal. An unsigned print is basically > just a good mass produced copy. The frames are probably worth over > $100 each. Mine are unsigned, unnumbered (His signature is reproduced as part of the print). The frames and mattting are nice - I agree on your assesment of their value. > On the philophical side, the main thing is that *you* like it. I > don't think you bought them to make money. Definately - they'll go to someone when I die. I bought them because they were worth that much to ME. They'll not be re-sold. I really wanted to know the value for declaring them on my home owner's insurance. I have to declare all artwork, jewlery, computers, etc. Thanks for the response! -Al ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 11:44:28 -0900 From: The Flying Wrench To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Roland C.II colors and other ramblings Message-ID: <199602062044.LAA09007@anchor> At 02:15 PM 2/6/96 -0500, Allan Wright wrote: >> Alas, another question has arisen! The Roland C.II 'Walfisch' with >> the 'shark-mouth' is a fascinating specimen. Could someone assist >> on the color scheme? > Of course the probably the best reference for this is the Windsock Datafile #49. The rear cover page has this aircraft at the bottom. It illustrates a dark gray/blue color (heavy on the gray) and light whitish blue underside. The underside's color extends horizontally out from the horiz. stab.about a third of the way up the fuselage where it then takes a soft, slightly concave 45 deg. curving slant to the underside. Slightly over two thirds of the fuselage have just the feather edges of the under side whitish blue colour visible in a profile view, right up to the 45 deg angle leading to the horiz stab. There is a black ID stripe circling the fuselage just in front of the Maltese marking's white field and almost touching the rear of the scarf ring. The width of this stripe is slightly narrower than the windows. and there is a large, white number 2 on a black field on the vertical stab that adjoins the front of the white field containing the Maltese cross on the rudder. The windows have curtains painted on them. The wheels are the whitish blue of the under side. I used Testors model masters non specular sea blue that I grayed up with a dark sea gray until I achieved a dark grayish blue colour to achieve the look I wanted. Short of having a colour chip, I'm not sure how much more accuracy is achievable. One thing I always noted about military paint is that the shades vary from manufacture to manufacture and this is true even with all the modern paint matching equipment available. I' m sure there were many varying shades of colours applied to these aircraft Therefore I always try to attain a representative colour scheme of the aircraft as opposed to an exact paint match. With the dearth of colouring information for WWI aircraft and no colour photographs I find it almost impossible to make an exact match. I find that there is still great debate over the colouring of MvR's much vaunted 425/17. Not only is there great conjecture over the shade of Red used but whether or not the entire aircraft was red or the underside was in fact blue. Now if we can't find out what colour MvR's death plane was, how can we expect exact matches on a machine as esoteric as a Roland C.II? I have seen several teasing references to an all pink Albatros D.V. Originally, I heard this was aircraft was attributed to MvR. But recently I read there is no known reference to the pilot of this strange aircraft. The rumor in the reference was that it was flown by the avenging widow of a pilot killed in action! This rumor was probably mixed up with another rumor I have heard in the past that MvR's plane was known as "Le Petite Rouge" by the French and was believed to be piloted by a woman. Ostensibly the French thought his aircraft was painted a light shade of red that looked almost pink under certain light conditions and the light touch on the controls had to be from a women because no man could have such a deft touch. Another intriguing story I have encountered is that of a SPAD pilot killed in flight. This dead pilot's SPAD made a flawless deadstick (how do you think they got the name?) landing that culminated in a roll out, right up to the gate of a graveyard! I have only encountered one reference to this SPAD story as a passing note. I sure would like a more complete rendering of it. It would make an interesting diorama - if we had the colours and markings of the aircraft. There is so much of the first war that is open to question. It is ironic to note that from what I have seen, we have more accurate colouring references for medieval knight's amour and heraldic emblems than we do for WWI aircraft. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 12:46:53 -0800 From: bshatzer@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Re[2]: Douglas World Cruiser Message-ID: <199602062046.AA29373@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Stephen Tontoni wrote: > > I saw a diorama (photo) recently of the World Cruisers > sitting at the dock of the bay (with Otis Redding?) but I > will probably do a wheeled version. Not sure. Of course, I > will want to do the one called "Seattle" (wheels or > floats?). -snips- If my aging memory is correct, either floats -or- wheels would be correct for any of the Douglas WC's including Seattle. As I recall, either landing gear were used depending on the leg of the flight - i.e. over water segments used the floats and over land segments the wheels. Apparently they had support ships following the flight to, among other things, carry the 'spare' landing gear. Cheers, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org -or- aw177@Freenet.Carleton.ca - "Cave ab homine unius libri!" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 11:52:10 -0900 From: The Flying Wrench To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Roland C.II colors and other ramblings Message-ID: <199602062052.LAA09342@anchor> >Gads, rambling does wierd things to the brain... Boy you said it! I think I have forgotten the meaning of words like brief, succinct, terse, concise etc. I really do start out to write a short note but the words get in my way. The Flyin' Wrench ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 15:58:36 -0500 (EST) From: Jesse Thorn To: wwi Subject: Re: One other GVW tidbit Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Feb 1996, Matt Bittner taunts the Gotha Fans by typing: > Sorry, that's all the meat I can give. Just watch the major, WW1, > 1/48th vac vendors. No release date yet, but it sounds true. Sorry to take up bandwidth with idle speculation but my bet is Sierra Scale. This would be a great followup to the AEG G.IV kit. Should I start saving up for all those Americal Gotha stickers? --Jesse "How about some of that old Phillipino Creamy (coming in shorts & quarts)?" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 96 16:03:21 EST From: Brian Nicklas To: Subject: Douglas World Cruiser Message-ID: <199602062103.QAA06213@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Ref for the DWC: "The First World Flight" by Lowell Thomas (1925) "A World to Conquer" by Ernest A. McKay (1981) National Geographic Magazine had an article, if memory serves right. Lotsa pics. Check library with paper (not microfilm) copies of the magazine. Write to National Air and Space Museum and give a snail-mail return address. McDonnell-Douglas Aircraft put out some special documents, but with the current state of the company, and Harry Gann no longer there (retired) I think you'd have a hard time finding anything from them. (Tail logo for years had phrase "First Round the World". Air Force Museum also might have good details. The diorama in discussion was built for IPMS-USA Nationals, I think the IPMS "Quarterly" had an in-depth article shortly after the convention. Hope this helps, Brian Nicklas ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Feb 96 09:40:40 EST From: bciciora@pitneysoft.com (Bill Ciciora) To: wwi Subject: Glencoe Pfalz D.III Message-ID: On Sun, 4 Feb 1996, The Flying Wrench wrote: >Due to the lack of cockpit detailing, the tiny engine mounted in the huge >fuselage hole (how do you fill in al that space?) and the many other >errors already noted wheels, guns etc. I think I'll Let the neighbor kid >build this one and I will wait for the Eduard version. Geez, this shows how far behind the power curve I am! I really thought this was a nice model. My test fits so far showed things fitting together well. I figured I'd scratch an instrument panel and control column, cut and reposition the pilot's arm, give him a helmet, and away we go. The Wrench also directed us Seekers: >the WEB site of the day, month or who knows? Perhaps millennium. >Here it is: www.teleport.com/%7Eboydroid/gold.htm. Interesting treatise. I'll have to talk to some chemist friends about the particulars. But "as some Chinese philosopher once said, 'Dig a hole deep enough and soon everyone will want to jump in.'" ;-) Bill Ciciora bciciora@pitneysoft.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Feb 96 14:24:10 PST From: stonto@seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu To: wwi Subject: cool web site -- USAF museum Message-ID: <9601068236.AA823645516@SCCCGATE.seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu> I just visited the USAF museum at Wright Patterson AFB while sitting in my office..... the URL is http://www.am.wpafb.af.mil/museum/usaf_museum.html Lots of stuff on there! I got this from the rec.models.scale newsgroup. (yes dear; I've been unfaithful) OH! Also just got my WINGS CDrom: Wings over Europe, Wings Korea to Viet Nam, Midway to Hiroshima. They threw in a WINGS baseball hat and Normandy videotape too. It comes in a slip case. Most people would call it a box. Can't wait to fire it up when I get home. Have fun out there. --- Stephen Tontoni ------------------------------ Date: 07 Feb 96 07:11:00 EST From: SDW@qld.mim.com.au To: wwi%pease1.sr.unh.edu@teksup.mim.com.au Subject: cone de penetration - and a quiz Message-ID: <199602062128.HAA28380@mimmon.mim.com.au> Hi Paul, >Sorry Guys but I think I will have to butt in: >The crankshaft of a rotary engine is "stationary" and fixed to the fire wall. Exactly so, and exactly what Bill, Wrench and I have said previously. >The crankcase rotates abour the crank journals and the conrods rotate about the > fixed crankpin. If there was any shaft passing though a "hollow" crank shaft, >it would be intercepted by the conrods as they rotated about the crankpin. >There is no mystery about how this all works. >The shaft that affixes the propellor shaft to the crankcase is indeed hollow and the >rigid cranshaft (or an extension affixed to it) passes through the hollow prop >shaft to support the non rotating cone de penetration. Precisely as shown in the Nieuport patent previously mentioned. >Another seemly strange fact about a rotary is that the pistons DO NOT GO UP >AND DOWN, >the simply rotate about the crankpin in a constant radius circle. Since the >cylinders are also rotating in a fixed radius circle but about an axis >offset to >the pistons, the pistons do move relative to the cylinders. >However there is no acceleration and deceleration that causes vibration in a normal >radial engine. Yeah, exactly as it's described in the 1992 issue of the '14-18 Journal. Almost the exact words in fact. Incidentally the same article proves conclusively that Gnome Monosoupape engines MUST have a hollow prop shaft. I'll bet you know Paul, but who else can tell me why it must be so? Regards Shane ------------------------------ Date: 07 Feb 96 06:29:00 EST From: SDW@qld.mim.com.au To: wwi%pease1.sr.unh.edu@teksup.mim.com.au Subject: RE: Revell 1/28 Fokker DVII Message-ID: <199602062047.GAA28114@mimmon.mim.com.au> Mick, > >I think he might mean OAW > > Ostdeutsche Albatros Werke > > Which is NOT Albatros, though they made the Fokker D.VII as well. > > THe main factory of the Albatroswerke was at Johannisthal; they >also had a subsidiary at Schneidem"uhl, producing under licence for Fokker, >but it was one company. Agreed. This is the distinction I was getting at but I don't have your facility for recalling those German place names Shane ------------------------------ Date: 07 Feb 96 06:24:00 EST From: SDW@qld.mim.com.au To: wwi%pease1.sr.unh.edu@teksup.mim.com.au Subject: RE: cone de penetration Message-ID: <199602062041.GAA28072@mimmon.mim.com.au> Hi Paul, >Sorry Guys but I think I will have to butt in: >The crankshaft of a rotary engine is "stationary" and fixed to the fire wall. Exactly so, and exactly what Bill and I have said previously. >The crankcase rotates abour the crank journals and the conrods rotate about the > fixed crankpin. If there was any shaft passing though a "hollow" crank shaft, >it would be intercepted by the conrods as they rotated about the crankpin. >There is no mystery about how this all works. >The shaft that affixes the propellor shaft to the crankcase is indeed hollow and the >rigid cranshaft (or an extension affixed to it) passes through the hollow prop >shaft to support the non rotating cone de penetration. Precisely as shown in the Nieuport patent previoucly mentioned. >Another seemly strange fact about a rotary is that the pistons DO NOT GO UP >AND DOWN, >the simply rotate about the crankpin in a constant radius circle. Since the >cylinders are also rotating in a fixed radius circle but about an axis >offset to >the pistons, the pistons do move relative to the cylinders. >However there is no acceleration and deceleration that causes vibration in a normal >radial engine. Yeah, exactly as it's described in the 1992 issue of the '14-18 Journal. Almost the exact words in fact. Incidentally the same article proves conclusively that Gnome Monosoupape engines MUST have a hollow prop shaft. I'll bet you know Paul, but who else can tell me why it must be so? Regards Shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 07:21:15 +0800 (HKT) From: Jose Valenciano To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: One other GVW tidbit Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Feb 1996, Matt Bittner wrote: > How about a 1/48th vac Gotha G.V? > > > Matt > Bob Norgen of Sierra tells me that the Gotha is on Eduard's "to make" list. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 96 20:34:56 -0600 From: "John P. Roll" To: wwi Subject: Re: Windsock (was Roland C.II) Message-ID: <31180fce1a06002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> In message <199602061913.OAA21402@mail-e1b.gnn.com> writes: > I want to echo the sentiment that a fellow-poster submitted. > Thanks for the overwhelming response to my resin questions. > <> > I contacted Wise Owl Worldwide Publications in reference to a > subscription to WINDSOCK and the datafiles ($72.00 Windsock alone & > $155.00 for Datafile updates)...YIKES! But well worth it I'm > sure...Anyone cheaper out there ? Go direct! Windsock will take checks in USD - if you add £3 (three Pounds Sterling) for bank charges. The last time I ordered a subscription I got 2 years for $88.18 given the then current exchange rate. I just sent-off an order and the datafiles converted to less than $11.00 apiece. You can't beat it! If you order more than £40 it's post-free. Get a friend and send an order! A current issue of Windsock will have the relevant details down in the fine print. The other advantage is that you are more directly supporting the source of all this wonderful stuff! <> Happy Windsock hunting! John Roll j-roll@maroon.tc.umn.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 18:50:56 -0800 From: gspring@ix.netcom.com (Greg Springer ) To: wwi Subject: Re: Revell 1/28 D VII - AARRGGHH!! Message-ID: <199602070250.SAA10711@ix8.ix.netcom.com> You wrote: > > > > > > >> Guten Abend Meine Damen und Herren! > > > Besten guten Abend, Herr Springer! 80) > > ............[lots of good stuff deleted, but noted] > >> >> Bah! Donnerwetter! > > Indeed, Donnerwetter nochmal!! > >> >> Franz und Emil >> > Thank you, Franz and Emil........I think. > > Franz und Emil? Ich und Eisenhour. Who is Franz and who is Emil depends upon who started the conversation and how much beer (or gin and tonic) has been consumed. Prosit! Franz (oder Emil?) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Feb 1996 22:02:45 EST From: NPWE28A@prodigy.com (LCDR KENNETH L HAGERUP) To: wwi Subject: Re: Sign D-VIII <> Edward D-VIII Message-ID: <096.00533240.NPWE28A@prodigy.com> I have both the Eduard and the Sign kits. The quality of the plastic parts in the Eduard kit is decidedly superior to that in the Sign kit. Sign's plastic is thicker and the detail is cruder. Very thick sprue conections make even removing the pieces from the trees a challenge. I also prefer Eduard's P/E parts. While the Sign kit includes decals for six versions, the colors in my kit were slightly out of register. Eduard has markings for EV 154/18 and EV 152/18, both of Jasta 6. The lozenge colors are a little suspect and look lighter than most variations I've seen. (Any verdict on the Aeromaster lozenge?) The Eduard kit gets my vote in this comparison. Ken Hagerup (Bf109s aren't so bad.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 14:45:12 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Fok F1/DR1 color scheme Message-ID: > Another interesting point mentioned here was Jasta 10 being > requipped with Pfalz DIIIs. I was always under the impression that the the > Pfalz was phased out in favor of the aircraft like the Triplane. Can someone > clarify this? While the DrI phased out other aircraft in Jastas 4, 6 and 11, there seems to be no evidence that Jasta 10 got more than a handful, moving almost straight from Pfalzs to Fokker DVIIs, also with yellow noses. > And finally, talk about easy identification mistakes to make - how > about mistaking a Pfalz DIII for an Albatros DV? This is an interesting > thread to follow (check out the net phraseology creeping into these > postings) as the presence of Pfalz DIIIs in the area and a silver coloured > aircraft seem to have a lot in common. From the reports I have read, there > seems to have been a silver aircraft present at the battle This aircraft did > not have to be Voss's tripe. I must admit I am at a disadvantage here as I > am operating strictly from memory. All of my reference material on this is > 4000 miles from where I presently sit. Although the general shape of the Pfalz was often mistaken for and Albatros, especially in the fenzy of combat, the latter's varnished plywood fuselage could hardly be mistaken for metallic silver-grey. Concerning the DrIs in question: 101/17 didn't make it to the Front, it was wrecked at the Adlershof on the 11th of August 1917; evaluation was then left to 102/17 and 103/17, which were officially accepted on the 16th of August, and arrived at JG 1 at Coutrai on the 21st, 103/17 becoming Voss's personal mount. 102/17, flown by Lt. W"usthoff, was lost on the 15th of September. So on the 3oth of August, ther were 2 DrIs present, 102- and 103/17. I can see no evidence that either was supplied in anything than the factory finish, certainly not silver-grey, in fact photographic evidence clearly supports this. All the other evidence indicates that Voss was flying 102/17, which again according to the photographs, was quite distinctively marked: factory finish, bright yellow cowling [black in the photos], with his flamboyant kite-face plainly visible. IMHO the only aircraft of the three that could possibly have been silver-grey was 101/17, which didn't even make it to the front. Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 25 ********************