WWI Digest 247 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: WW1 artillery pieces by Rob 2) by Peter Fedders 3) SSW DII & DIV by Joseph Gentile 4) Re: SSW DII & DIV by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 5) WANTED: Windsock Datafiles by Joseph Gentile 6) Re[6]: Siemens-Schukert D-1 by "Shelley Goodwin" 7) A&E WWI a/c show by cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) 8) Re: new to the group by mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) 9) Re: Halberstadt Ds by cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) 10) RE: WANTED: Windsock Datafiles by SDW@qld.mim.com.au 11) Re[6]: SMER Albatros by "Shelley Goodwin" 12) Re: new to the group by NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) 13) Re: new to the group by Bill Bacon 14) Re: Dropping off line for a while by bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 15) Re: Re[6]: SMER Albatros by bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 16) New to the Group by bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 17) RE: New to the Group by SDW@qld.mim.com.au 18) Re: Re[6]: SMER Albatros by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 19) RE: Re[6]: SMER Albatros by SDW@qld.mim.com.au 20) Re: 1/76 Airfix figures by DavidL1217@aol.com 21) Sunday, 3 September 1916, Buc by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 22) Re[8]: SMER Albatros by "Shelley Goodwin" 23) Re: New to the Group by "Shelley Goodwin" 24) RE: New to the Group by SDW@qld.mim.com.au 25) SSW Lozenges by "Valenciano . Jose" 26) Re: new to the group by "Valenciano . Jose" 27) Re: Lafayette Flying Corps by t_eisen@ix.netcom.com (Thomas Eisenhour) 28) Re: Lafayette Flying Corps by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 29) New email-adress by Andreas.Einsel@t-online.de (Andreas Einsel) 30) Re: Lafayette Flying Corps by Rob 31) Aeroclub RE8 by Andreas.Einsel@t-online.de (Andreas Einsel) 32) Re: Lafayette Flying Corps by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 33) Re: Aeroclub RE8 by Charles_A._Duckworth@notes.up.com (Charles A. Duckworth) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 11:17:31 +0000 From: Rob To: wwi Subject: Re: WW1 artillery pieces Message-ID: <9609031106.aa01046@scosysv.speechsys.com> There's a WW1 field gun (3" pre-war?--i.e. not a 75-mm) in City Park in Ft. Collins, CO. There are probably many more in parks and in front of VFWs and American Legions all over the country. Rob, robj@speechsys.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 14:58:43 -0500 From: Peter Fedders To: wwi Message-ID: <199609031958.OAA09130@howdy.wustl.edu> About the Halberstadt (1/48 Czeck) from Usk. I think that a number of us are waiting for this kit. I talked to Don and it will come when it comes from the Czeck Republic. Neither you, I, Don, or the gods can expidite this. I have talked to another person about Czeck kits. He has waited from 1 to 6 months. However, Don does expect the kits before hell freezes over. peter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 15:55:25 -0500 (CDT) From: Joseph Gentile To: wwi Subject: SSW DII & DIV Message-ID: <199609032055.PAA11276@Walden.MO.NET> Can anyone tell me if the throttle assembly from Tom's Modelwork's is an acceptable substitute for the one provided in the Koster 1/48 kit? I only have the Profile pub on the SSW fighters and the best port side view of the cockpit does not reveal this information. Mr. Kosters throttle assembly seems sparse. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. as an aside, if anyone has the Datafile and can snail mail me or FAX me a view or two that would be super. Thank you, Joe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 15:00:33 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: SSW DII & DIV Message-ID: >Can anyone tell me if the throttle assembly from Tom's Modelwork's is an >acceptable >substitute for the one provided in the Koster 1/48 kit? I only have the >Profile pub on the SSW fighters and the best port side view of the cockpit >does not reveal this information. Mr. Kosters throttle assembly seems sparse. > >Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. as an aside, if anyone has the >Datafile and >can snail mail me or FAX me a view or two that would be super. > >Thank you, > >Joe There is a good photo of an SSW D.III interior on page 30 of the Datafile that shows the left side of the cockpit. Unfortunately, the photo is dark and does not show detail well in xerox. You might need to look at an original copy of this to really see what you need. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 18:23:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Joseph Gentile To: wwi Subject: WANTED: Windsock Datafiles Message-ID: <199609032323.SAA08081@Walden.MO.NET> MWM (Male WWI Modeller) desperately in search of Windsock Datafiles numbers: 23 Hannover CL III 29 Siemens Schuckert DIII & DIV Will pay reasonable costs to obtain these volumes. Thank you, Joe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Sep 96 16:49:03 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[6]: Siemens-Schukert D-1 Message-ID: <9608038417.AA841794583@mx.Ricochet.net> Mark- Interesting muddle-I think more modern refs. on the Ds are probably more accurate. The Harleyford (c.1962) book states that the D.V was inferior to the Albatros (presumably in speed rather than strength). So according to Grosz's archive the D.V was merely a streamlined D-III? Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Re[4]: Siemens-Schukert D-1 Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 9/2/96 11:11 PM > Mark- > > Thanks for the info-I don't care for Rip Van Winkle mail-order though. > Also, according to the Harleyford book and all the ref photos I have > come across, the Halberstadt Ds were two-bay until the refinements of > the D.V, which included a spinner, Pfalz-like engine cowling, unbraced > rudder (?) and "a single bay of struts"... > > Riordan Hi Riordan - Very interesting...I just re-checked all my photo references, and everything identified as a DV is definitely two-bay; however, in a photo essay on Halberstadts by Peter Grosz in Cross & Cockade Journal Vol. 11 No. 3 (1970), there is a photo of the Halberstadt << DIV >>, a single bay biplane that matches the description in the Harleyford book as per the above. Grosz writes that the DIV was "frequently mis-identified as the DV because of its advanced appearance" (it actually looks like a single seat Halb. CLII), and that the DIV was not accepted for service due to the "unfortunate design of the cabane structure". So could the Harleyford book possibly be wrong on this one? Interesting. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 96 19:58:55 EDT From: cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) To: wwi Subject: A&E WWI a/c show Message-ID: <199609032358.TAA27475@conted.swann.gatech.edu> Guys, I think we've all heard by now of the four-hour documentary A&E is planning for the Fall tv season. But has anyone heard about exactly when this program will air? (I don't want my vcr to miss it.) TIA. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 19:13:29 EDT From: mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) To: wwi Subject: Re: new to the group Message-ID: <19960903.170950.5255.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Tue, 3 Sep 1996 09:55:49 -0400 Roger Belanger writes: >Dear friends I am a new to this group , a little background on me. >I have been a modeler for a long time , i started w/ ships and >trains and in the past few years I have been into WW1 and those >between the wars , I like 1/72 and model in this scale mostly. I >also do 1/48 . I like to add the wing wires and any other details >that i can . I would like to interact w/ you all so let me hear >from you. My name is Roger Belanger Welcome, Roger! Hope to hear more from you. Hey, look at that, willya? He builds in the right scale!! Oh wait. What's that. He mentioned that dread 1/48th again. Well, at least he didn't make the mistake about typing in the characters 1-0-9... With tongue in cheek, Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 96 20:10:09 EDT From: cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) To: wwi Subject: Re: Halberstadt Ds Message-ID: <199609040010.UAA27505@conted.swann.gatech.edu> Guys, FWIW, the exact same photo of a single bay machine with a Pfalz D.III-like nose and Halberstadt CL.II-like tail appears in both the Harleyford book, where the a/c is identified as a D.V, and in Gray and Thetford's German Aircraft of the First World War, where it is called a D.IV. Who can say who's right? Maybe someone can contact Peter Grosz... Carlos ------------------------------ Date: 04 Sep 96 09:26:00 EDT From: SDW@qld.mim.com.au To: wwi%pease1.sr.unh.edu@teksup.mim.com.au Subject: RE: WANTED: Windsock Datafiles Message-ID: <199609040045.KAA07224@mimmon.mim.com.au> Joe posts >MWM (Male WWI Modeller) desperately in search of Windsock Datafiles numbers: > >23 Hannover CL III >29 Siemens Schuckert DIII & DIV > >Will pay reasonable costs to obtain these volumes. > >Thank you, > >Joe What, you too. Get ta the back o' the queue !! ;-) Seriously, there are still a fair few datafiles for RLR to reprint, and these two are about the hardest to find second hand. So why does he stick to reprints in more or less numerical order? All those Eduard kits awaiting references must surely add up to sales potential. Shane sdw@qld.mim.com.au ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Sep 96 17:25:55 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[6]: SMER Albatros Message-ID: <9608038417.AA841796770@mx.Ricochet.net> Mark- My fetish is obscure corners of military aviation-so WWI Middle East is right up my alley. Incidentally, that old C&C has some very interesting snaps of a crashed DH-2 with dark finished "fuselage" and clear doped wings w/o roundels- this is an unmarked AC of the 111th. Other pics from Palestine include a ground-looped Bristol scout and monoplane, Vickers F.B.19s at Belah Field, Martinsyde G.100, DH-1A and a derailed locomotive, the victim of German AC. So whaddaya think of the ol' SMER DH-2? (Maybe we should formalize this series on the old Aurora molds...) Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Re[4]: SMER Albatros Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 9/2/96 11:33 PM > Mark- > > I would like a copy of your Middle Eastern Albatrai refs; Post your > address & I'll send you an SASE. Mark Rook P.O. Box 1121 Wenatchee, WA 98807-1121 > Incidentally, I've an old C&C w/ photos of Oberleutnant Ditmar's D-III > captured by the Australians (D.636/17) which appears to have natural > wood/metal fuselage and *very* light colored, possibly clear doped > wings... Well, now that you mention it...in looking back over my references, it looks like only the AC supplied to the Ottoman units (i.e., those with the black square insignia) were painted in the dark red-brown color scheme. AC in the German units seem to have more of the "factory finish" - i.e, natural wood w/ the greenish color on the metal areas. The light colored wings are interesting, my understanding was that Albatrii didn't leave the factory without some sort of camo scheme on the wings (green/brown or green/mauve) but I could be wrong. Some of the Halb. DV's in the Turkish squadrons appear to have a light tan color instead of the dark red-brown, so maybe tan was overpainted on the wings of some of the DIII's in the Pascha units as well (?) Hard to say...we are, after all, talking about WWI here...;-) Thanks for the reply & inquiry. Was beginning to think I was the only one on the list with an interest in this admittedly esoteric (defined as not very well documented) aspect of WWI aviation. Mark ------------------------------ Date: 03 Sep 96 From: NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) To: wwi Subject: Re: new to the group Message-ID: <199609040026.UAA25314@mime2.prodigy.com> -- [ From: Kenneth Hagerup * EMC.Ver #2.5.1 ] -- Roger, Welcome aboard. Glad to have another 1/72 scale modeler in the midst. Do you have any particular specialized interests in WWI? Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 20:37:38 -0500 From: Bill Bacon To: wwi Subject: Re: new to the group Message-ID: <322CDD62.2EDC@netjava.net> Matthew E Bittner wrote: > > On Tue, 3 Sep 1996 09:55:49 -0400 Roger Belanger > writes: > > >Dear friends I am a new to this group , a little background on me. > >I have been a modeler for a long time , i started w/ ships and > >trains and in the past few years I have been into WW1 and those > >between the wars , I like 1/72 and model in this scale mostly. I > >also do 1/48 . I like to add the wing wires and any other details > >that i can . I would like to interact w/ you all so let me hear > >from you. My name is Roger Belanger > > Roger, Welcome to the group. This can get a bit wild now and then but it is all in fun. These guys have more good info than tyou could believe Bill Bacon wbacon@netjava.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 22:15:13 -0400 (EDT) From: bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Dropping off line for a while Message-ID: <199609040215.WAA13536@ns1.ptd.net> At 11:06 AM 9/3/96 -0400, SCLexicat@aol.com wrote: >Folks, > >I'm going to be plunging into a new and demanding work project which will >severely limit my ability to make a contribution to the group, so I'm >temporarily unsubscribing until the dust settles somewhat. (Probably around >the end of the year, I hope). Hurry back. I've always enjoyed lurking. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 22:23:41 -0400 (EDT) From: bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Re[6]: SMER Albatros Message-ID: <199609040223.WAA16704@ns1.ptd.net> At 08:28 PM 9/3/96 -0400, Shelley Goodwin wrote: > >Mark- > >My fetish is obscure corners of military aviation-so WWI Middle East is right up >my alley. Incidentally, that old C&C has some very interesting snaps of a >crashed DH-2 with dark finished "fuselage" and clear doped wings w/o roundels- >this is an unmarked AC of the 111th. > >So whaddaya think of the ol' SMER DH-2? (Maybe we should formalize this series >on the old Aurora molds...) The kit goes together pretty easily. Even with all those struts, things lined up pretty well (even if not 100% accurate). I've been trying to get up my courage to do one and rig it. I keep looking at the datafile and try to figure out all the wires. I keep getting headaches and move on to another project. Here'a a great subject for someone to do some nice brass etched cockpit stuff...you could actually see the end result! Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 22:26:23 -0400 (EDT) From: bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: New to the Group Message-ID: <199609040226.WAA17692@ns1.ptd.net> Roger, Welcome. Try not to pay too much attention to the 1/72 wing's constant war with the 1/48 ! Every looks forward to each other's opinion and ideas. Hope to hear from you on stuff in the future. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: 04 Sep 96 12:38:00 EDT From: SDW@qld.mim.com.au To: wwi%pease1.sr.unh.edu@teksup.mim.com.au Subject: RE: New to the Group Message-ID: <199609040301.NAA08704@mimmon.mim.com.au> >Welcome. Try not to pay too much attention to the 1/72 wing's >constant war with the 1/48 ! >Every looks forward to each other's opinion and ideas. Hope to hear from you >on stuff in the future. > >Mike Muth Mike! How could you make such an elementary mistake. The 72nd isn't a wing. Too damn small, probably just a squadron, or maybe only a section. Now if you want a WING, you should see the 48th ;-) Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 20:15:10 -0700 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Re[6]: SMER Albatros Message-ID: <199609040315.AA22054@ednet1.orednet.org> Riordan typed: >So whaddaya think of the ol' SMER DH-2? (Maybe we should formalize this series >on the old Aurora molds...) Actually, the DH-2 is one of the SMER WWI molds which is -not- a copy of the old Aurora molds, Aurora having never done a DH-2. The DH-2, like the SMER Avro 504 originated in the late '50's with a British outfit called Merit. After Merit's demise, the molds migrated to Italy and were produced for several years under the Artiplast brand name until still later migrating to Czechoslovakia (now the Czech Republic) and SMER. As to what I think of the kit itself, well, not much, I'm afraid. Like many of the '50's plastic kits, it suffered from being designed from some fairly inaccurate plans. If I remember right, there are some serious deficiencies in the shape of the nacelle and the tail and a whole bunch of lesser deficiencies throughout. It's probably buildable but only in the sense that the Glencoe Albatros is buildable - enough time, putty, and sheet plastic and -anything- is buildable! Still, if ya' want a quarter scale DH-2, it's just about the only game in town, the old Renwall Aeroskin DH-2 being not much better and commanding "kit collectors' prices" as well. Cheers, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony." ------------------------------ Date: 04 Sep 96 13:31:00 EDT From: SDW@qld.mim.com.au To: wwi%pease1.sr.unh.edu@teksup.mim.com.au Subject: RE: Re[6]: SMER Albatros Message-ID: <199609040354.NAA09219@mimmon.mim.com.au> Bill posted: (hey, is that the guy they're going to prosecute??) >As to what I think of the kit itself, well, not much, I'm afraid. Like >many of the '50's plastic kits, it suffered from being designed from >some fairly inaccurate plans. If I remember right, there are some >serious deficiencies in the shape of the nacelle and the tail and >a whole bunch of lesser deficiencies throughout. Aww Bill, you're being a bit harsh. I built one once. I used the nacelle, modified and detailed, with soldered brass booms and struts, scratchbuilt wings, Aeroclub wheels, engine and gun and details from sprue and sheet. The only trouble was that the kit was too fragile to survive contact with a toppling Encyclopedia. Otherwise, all the bits I used were fine ...... regards Shane (actually, I've seen it built using JUST the kit parts, plasticard and hard work by one of the best modellers I know. It would never have fit Ian Stairs plans, but his rendition put MY accurate DH-2 to shame and *really* looked far more convincing. Maybe I'm too obsessed with accurate detail, maybe I'm just a crap modeller :-( ) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 23:43:16 -0400 From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: 1/76 Airfix figures Message-ID: <960903233725_471309052@emout18.mail.aol.com> You better count the number of men sent. Airfix soldiers (especially the French) have been known to resort to cannibalism if they are deprived of food for a long time! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 23:52:52 -0700 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Sunday, 3 September 1916, Buc Message-ID: <322D2744.1E3F@host.dmsc.net> Fair day. Off at 6:30 on end triangle to Chartres & Chateaudon. Did it in 2 1\2 hours which was fine time. Thru school at last. Mighty glad too. Am real aviateur. Signed for Brevet of Aero club of France and for corporalship. Got leave for late p.m. and went to Paris. Saw Major Parker in p.m. and he invited me to be the guest of him and his wife during my 4 day permission. Mighty good of him alright. Came back to Buc in early evening. Stopped at Amer Church for 5 o'clock service before leaving Paris. I feel mighty grateful for having gotten thru the school safely and so finally. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Sep 96 21:49:08 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[8]: SMER Albatros Message-ID: <9608038418.AA841812490@mx.Ricochet.net> Shane- Anyone that even attemps an 'accurate' WWI AC is in a sort of elitist pompous snob catagory-which is notches above the mundane WW2 modeler, even if the results are less than satisfactory. Modeling in this era is, to some extent, an an arduous homage to the audacious men who pioneered aerial warfare (If I had not read of & been inspired by the exploits of the Kosciuszko Sq. in the Russo-Polish War, there is is no chance I would have forced the Glencoe kit together). It is rather Zen-ish, as a single project can progress without the appearance of much being accomplished, requiring enormous patient effort, precision and TIME for its completion. It is also a substantial learning experience, as many hours are consumed in research. And, like any lofty goal, it is quite savory when it is even marginally accomplished. I suppose the process is as important as the end result... To me, even the worst executed WWI kit is more interesting than the best P-51. I may be twisted, but I know what I like. S, Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: RE: Re[6]: SMER Albatros Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 9/3/96 8:37 PM Bill posted: (hey, is that the guy they're going to prosecute??) >As to what I think of the kit itself, well, not much, I'm afraid. Like >many of the '50's plastic kits, it suffered from being designed from >some fairly inaccurate plans. If I remember right, there are some >serious deficiencies in the shape of the nacelle and the tail and >a whole bunch of lesser deficiencies throughout. Aww Bill, you're being a bit harsh. I built one once. I used the nacelle, modified and detailed, with soldered brass booms and struts, scratchbuilt wings, Aeroclub wheels, engine and gun and details from sprue and sheet. The only trouble was that the kit was too fragile to survive contact with a toppling Encyclopedia. Otherwise, all the bits I used were fine ...... regards Shane (actually, I've seen it built using JUST the kit parts, plasticard and hard work by one of the best modellers I know. It would never have fit Ian Stairs plans, but his rendition put MY accurate DH-2 to shame and *really* looked far more convincing. Maybe I'm too obsessed with accurate detail, maybe I'm just a crap modeller :-( ) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Sep 96 21:55:54 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re: New to the Group Message-ID: <9608038418.AA841812980@mx.Ricochet.net> Roger- You'd better be up for some knit-picking, because it's what we spend a lot of time doing...but this is quite an excellent place for Q&A on ANYTHING related to WWI. Our specialty, however, is the aeroplane. Welcome ye seeker of knowledge and military trivia! Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: New to the Group Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 9/3/96 7:25 PM Roger, Welcome. Try not to pay too much attention to the 1/72 wing's constant war with the 1/48 ! Every looks forward to each other's opinion and ideas. Hope to hear from you on stuff in the future. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: 04 Sep 96 15:18:00 EDT From: SDW@qld.mim.com.au To: wwi%pease1.sr.unh.edu@teksup.mim.com.au Subject: RE: New to the Group Message-ID: <199609040541.PAA10490@mimmon.mim.com.au> Riordan, > You'd better be up for some knit-picking, because it's what we spend a Thats "nit" not "Knit"........ heheheheheheheheheheh......... Shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 10:02:12 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: wwi Subject: SSW Lozenges Message-ID: Charles & Allan, thanks very much for the reply. Now I can go on with the kit! ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 10:09:04 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: new to the group Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Sep 1996, Roger Belanger wrote: > Dear friends I am a new to this group , a little background on me . I > have been a modeler for a long time , i started w/ ships and trains and > in the past few years I have been into WW1 and those between the wars , > I like 1/72 and model in this scale mostly. I also do 1/48 . I like to > add the wing wires and any other details that i can . I would like to > interact w/ you all so let me hear from you. My name is Roger Belanger Hi Roger, welcome! That's really cool, adding your name last. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 05:29:49 -0700 From: t_eisen@ix.netcom.com (Thomas Eisenhour) To: wwi Subject: Re: Lafayette Flying Corps Message-ID: <199609041229.FAA27802@dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com> Who has a list of all members of the LFC? My aunt mentioned that she thought a family friend had been a member. His name was Franzheim (yes, I know, sounds like he should have been on the OTHER side!). Help anyone? Thanx, Tom -- Tom Eisenhour t_eisen@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 09:03:17 -0700 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Re: Lafayette Flying Corps Message-ID: <322DA845.24DB@host.dmsc.net> Thomas Eisenhour wrote: > > Who has a list of all members of the LFC? My aunt mentioned that she > thought a family friend had been a member. His name was Franzheim (yes, > I know, sounds like he should have been on the OTHER side!). > > Help anyone? > > Thanx, > Tom > -- > > > > Tom Eisenhour t_eisen@ix.netcom.com > James Sloan's WINGS OF HONOR: AMERICAN AIRMEN IN WORLD WAR I, which claims a complete roster of American pilots, mechanics and observers in French units, incl. the Laf. Esc. and the Laf. Flying Corps, does not show anyone by the name of Franzheim, or any name like it, in any unit French, British or American. Bradley Omanson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Sep 96 16:56 +0100 From: Andreas.Einsel@t-online.de (Andreas Einsel) To: INTERNET:wwi Subject: New email-adress Message-ID: Hi, please note that my new e-mail adress is Andreas.Einsel@t-online.de Ciao, Andy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 09:15:47 +0000 From: Rob To: wwi Subject: Re: Lafayette Flying Corps Message-ID: <9609040904.aa11781@scosysv.speechsys.com> Bradley writes > James Sloan's WINGS OF HONOR: AMERICAN AIRMEN IN WORLD WAR I, which claims a complete > roster of American pilots, mechanics and observers in French units, incl. the Laf. Esc. > and the Laf. Flying Corps, does not show anyone by the name of Franzheim, or any name > like it, in any unit French, British or American. Mightn't Mr. Franzheim have joined under a nom de guerre, a common practice in the Foreign Legion even today? This might be particularly likely given the Teutonic-sounding name. Quite a few German Americans eventually changed their names to avoid the prejudice this could arouse. This issue is reflected in the early post-war movie "Wings" which contains a subplot about a German American who faces discrimination to serve his country and prove his patriotism (well worth getting on video, by the way, if only for the It Girl). Anyway, I would try to look for someone named France, La France, Francis, Franklin. Rob, robj@speechsys.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Sep 96 16:53 +0100 From: Andreas.Einsel@t-online.de (Andreas Einsel) To: INTERNET:wwi Subject: Aeroclub RE8 Message-ID: Hi folks, just to tell you that I received the new Aeroclub RE8 (1/48) today. Packaged in a small box similar to the FE2b the parts seem to be spot on to the Windsock Datafile plans. The plastic parts - fuselage, wings, wheels - are moulded in light brown. White metal parts include engine, propellor (two halves), exhausts, cowling, undercarriage, struts, Scarff ring, Vickers and Lewis guns, cockpit details, all good quality, again, similar to the FE2b-kit. You can build six versions, five British and one Belgian. Decals are supplied. Instructions are well done. Can hardly wait building it... Ciao, Andy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 11:36:44 -0700 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Re: Lafayette Flying Corps Message-ID: <322DCC3C.15B6@host.dmsc.net> Rob wrote: > > Bradley writes > > > James Sloan's WINGS OF HONOR: AMERICAN AIRMEN IN WORLD WAR I, which claims a complete > > roster of American pilots, mechanics and observers in French units, incl. the Laf. Esc. > > and the Laf. Flying Corps, does not show anyone by the name of Franzheim, or any name > > like it, in any unit French, British or American. > > Mightn't Mr. Franzheim have joined under a nom de guerre, a common > practice in the Foreign Legion even today? This might be particularly likely > given the Teutonic-sounding name. Quite a few German Americans > eventually changed their names to avoid the prejudice this could > arouse. This issue is reflected in the early post-war movie "Wings" > which contains a subplot about a German American > who faces discrimination to serve his country and prove his > patriotism (well worth getting on video, by the way, if only for the > It Girl). Anyway, I would try to look for someone named France, La > France, Francis, Franklin. > > Rob, > robj@speechsys.com. Good point, I will go back and make a more careful search. While on the subject of German-Americans in the war, I've studied a lot of rosters from the all-volunteer US Marine Corps, and the incidence of German names is VERY high-- many hundreds, and these are German names which haven't been tinkered with. My grandfather, a Marine in WWI, went by the "nom de plume" of APPENHEIMER. I asked him once if anyone during the war ever gave him a hard time about his name. His reply was "Never more than once". Bradley Omanson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 11:24:43 -0500 From: Charles_A._Duckworth@notes.up.com (Charles A. Duckworth) To: wwi Subject: Re: Aeroclub RE8 Message-ID: <1996Sep04.091956.1155.624144@uprr-internet.notes.up.com> Andy - where did you buy it and how much and given your comments regarding the size of the box I assume the wings are in three pieces. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 247 *********************