WWI Digest 241 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Book shops in SF,NY and Toronto by Step by Step Training Development 2) Re: Re[2]: Post-War Exploits by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 3) Re: Sierra Scale SPAD A.2, 4 by Charles_A._Duckworth@notes.up.com (Charles A. Duckworth) 4) Re: Re[2]: WWW page for storage of information by meba@cso.com 5) RE: WWW page for storage of information by meba@cso.com 6) Josef Carl Jacobs by Joseph Gentile 7) Re: Book shops in SF,NY and Toronto by "Carlos Valdes" 8) Re: Josef Carl Jacobs by meba@cso.com 9) Re: Re[2]: WWW page for storage of information by Rob 10) Re: Re[2]: Post-War Exploits by Rob 11) Albatros D.III by meba@cso.com 12) Re: Re[4]: Post-War Exploits by Rob 13) Re: Albatros D.III by aew (Allan Wright) 14) Re: Book shops in SF,NY and Toronto by iceman@ro.com (Eli Geher) 15) Re: Re[2]: Post-War Exploits by iceman@ro.com (Eli Geher) 16) Re: Who dat? WAS German Airscrews, Loz by Rob 17) Re: Who dat? WAS German Airscrews, Loz by aew (Allan Wright) 18) RE: WWW page for storage of information by Rob 19) RE: Josef Carl Jacobs by "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" 20) by Peter Fedders 21) RE: Josef Carl Jacobs by Joseph Gentile 22) Tuesday, 29 August 1916, Buc by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 23) Re[4]: WWW page for storage of information by "Shelley Goodwin" 24) Re: Albatros D.III by "Shelley Goodwin" 25) Re[6]: Post-War Exploits by "Shelley Goodwin" 26) Re[2]: Albatros D.III by "Shelley Goodwin" 27) Re: Who dat? WAS German Airscrews, Loz by DavidL1217@aol.com 28) RE: Albatros D.III by SDW@qld.mim.com.au 29) Re: Shelley-- pioneer of aerial warfare by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 30) Re[2]: Siemens-Schukert D-1 by "Shelley Goodwin" 31) Re[2]: Albatros D.III by "Shelley Goodwin" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 15:58:38 +0800 From: Step by Step Training Development To: wwi Subject: Re: Book shops in SF,NY and Toronto Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19960829160036.1f1f40b4@mail.iinet.net.au> At 11:12 PM 28/08/96 -0400, you wrote: >(major snippage) > > My US$0.02 worth. > >Charles > >hartc@spot.colorado.edu Are you trying to tell me that in the SF or NY there is not one book store that actually stocks Windsock?! And people say Australia is backward!!!Don't get me wrong I'm not ragging the good old USofA but you guys sure do have it hard. Admittedly in my city which is definately the arse end of Australia (and probably the world for that matter;-)) we can't get Windsock and have to order from the other side of the country. But you guys have to order from overseas!!:-( Anyway, you don't know of any stores in NY by any chance?? Hope to hear from you soon. Cheers Michael Cornforth sbstd@iinet.com.au "Free advice is seldom free" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 07:16:22 -0700 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Re: Re[2]: Post-War Exploits Message-ID: <3225A636.1BDD@host.dmsc.net> Bill Shatzer wrote: > > Eli Geher wrote: > > >Wars end only when ALL the parties are satisfied. As a resident > >of a former state of the Confederacy, I can advise that the American Civil > >War isn't quite done. > > I thought y'all refered to it as The War of Northern Aggression? :-) > > Cheers, > > -- > Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.or Actually, it's the "late unpleasantness". Bradley Omanson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 07:09:58 -0500 From: Charles_A._Duckworth@notes.up.com (Charles A. Duckworth) To: wwi Subject: Re: Sierra Scale SPAD A.2, 4 Message-ID: <1996Aug29.050813.1155.612504@uprr-internet.notes.up.com> Windsock Vol 5 #1 has a 5 page piece on the SPAD A.4, including 1:72 plans. I have to wonder how much of the forthcoming "mini" (size not price) Datafile will be comprised of reprinting this material. A photo in this piece shows an A.1 with ailerons on both top and bottom wings. The drawings of the A.4 show only top wing silerons. Of 6 photos of A.2s in this article (no A.4 photos) only two are clear enough to show ailerons on both top and bottom wings. Ray Rimell states in the text that only 11 A.4s were constructed and used 110HP LeRhone engines and that 10 of these went to Russia. HTH Charles Thanks for the additional info, Peter Fedders is bring me a copy of his mini-file on Friday evening so I can again start spending my evenings at the sanding block with the 'Spad in hand'. The Squadron booklet on the SPAD Fighters has a great photo of the front of the A.2(or 4) with the pulpit in the down position. As info, the St. Louis 'list group' is meeting again this Friday 8/30 if anyone is in the area they are more than welcome. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 07:10:40 -0500 From: meba@cso.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Re[2]: WWW page for storage of information Message-ID: <199608290707.HAA08584@cso.com> On 28 Aug 96 at 17:55, Riordan Goodwin typed diligantly: > Have you tried Taubman Plans Service International, 11 College > Dr.#4G, Jersey City NJ 07305? They have WWI U-31 class plans, > which I thought I might never find. Do they also have plans for any of the UB or UC U-boats? I might have to snail mail them and get at least a catalog. Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 07:12:51 -0500 From: meba@cso.com To: wwi Subject: RE: WWW page for storage of information Message-ID: <199608290710.HAA08755@cso.com> On 28 Aug 96 at 20:15, Joseph Boeke typed diligantly: > P.S. It is nice to be back and hear the list chatter again :) It's good to have you back, Joe!!! Thought you might have fell off the face of the earth. How's your son? Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 08:53:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Joseph Gentile To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Josef Carl Jacobs Message-ID: <199608291353.IAA05611@Walden.MO.NET> Gentlemen, What is the controversy behind Leutnant Jacob's 41 aerial victories? Was this an inflated number or was his actual count much higher that recorded? Was the center of this controversy political in nature? Regarding the markings of 450/17: The DML kit seems to have based their decals on the art work in the Datafile special, while Aeromaster depicts vibrant reds and yellows in their version of the flame breathing devil's head. I would "think" that Aeromaster has taken some gross liberties with their imagination but who am I to say? Your insight and thoughts are always welcome. Thank you, Joe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 96 08:22:19 EST From: "Carlos Valdes" To: wwi Subject: Re: Book shops in SF,NY and Toronto Message-ID: <30141.carlos.valdes@conted.gatech.edu> Michael, I haven't been to NY in over 10 years and have never visited this particular place, but I have heard good things about Ace Hobbies in Manhattan. I know they carry a lot of forign books, so there's a chance that a Windsock or two can be found there. I'll drop you an e-note with the address and phone when I can find them (along with more questions re: Tokyo). Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 09:03:02 -0500 From: meba@cso.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Josef Carl Jacobs Message-ID: <199608290859.IAA19201@cso.com> On 29 Aug 96 at 9:42, Joseph Gentile typed diligantly: > What is the controversy behind Leutnant Jacob's 41 aerial > victories? Was this an inflated number or was his actual count > much higher that recorded? Was the center of this controversy > political in nature? I believe the thinking is the 47 is the *official* count. However, there are a few people who think that he had 48. Look to his diaries and such. > Regarding the markings of 450/17: The DML kit seems to have based > their decals on the art work in the Datafile special, while > Aeromaster depicts vibrant reds and yellows in their version of the > flame breathing devil's head. I would "think" that Aeromaster has > taken some gross liberties with their imagination but who am I to > say? The best rendition is on the Jacobs Special decal sheet from Americal. Although the Americal offering could be a bit "crisper", the colors and such are the closest. I've heard this from numerous people that have seen all the decals that are currently available for Jacobs. A good rendition is on the back of the Imperial Aviation Awards, vol. 2 - the one on Prussian flyers. It not only has a painting of Jacobs' devil's headed Dr.I, but a painting of Jacobs, as well. Aeromaster take liberties? Since when? (Note: that was supposed to be humor. We all know how accurate Aeromaster is, correct? ;-)) Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 08:42:42 +0000 From: Rob To: wwi Subject: Re: Re[2]: WWW page for storage of information Message-ID: <9608290833.aa28155@scosysv.speechsys.com> Matt writes: > Do they also have plans for any of the UB or UC U-boats? > I might have to snail mail them and get at least a catalog. The US Naval Institute Press book on the development history of German and Austrian U-boats has plans of both, as well as many other interesting types and projects from 1900 to the 1970s. Rob, robj@speechsys.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 08:50:04 +0000 From: Rob To: wwi Subject: Re: Re[2]: Post-War Exploits Message-ID: <9608290841.aa28231@scosysv.speechsys.com> > Bill Shatzer wrote: > > > > Eli Geher wrote: > > > > >Wars end only when ALL the parties are satisfied. As a resident > > >of a former state of the Confederacy, I can advise that the American Civil > > >War isn't quite done. > > > > I thought y'all refered to it as The War of Northern Aggression? :-) > > Actually, it's the "late unpleasantness". > > Bradley Omanson > You mean the damned INSURRECTION? You mean good Americans have to go down there again and MAKE 'EM HOWL all over again? [heh, heh, heh ...] Rob, robj@speechsys.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 09:34:54 -0500 From: meba@cso.com To: WW1 Modelers Subject: Albatros D.III Message-ID: <199608290931.JAA21492@cso.com> I just had an idea, and thought I would get it out before it dies of loneliness... Erik and I are starting a letter writing campaign to Minicraft for a VVS a/c from that "other war". What do list members think about starting a letter writing campaign to Minicraft for a complete and accurate 1/72nd Albatros D.III, with the possibility of "cross scaleing" to 1/48th? What got me started was seeing Minicraft's wonderful Mk.XIV Spitfire. A *complete* kit for $8. How many on this list would buy an accurate Albatros D.III for $8? And, how many on this list would buy *lots* of them? So, I'm thinking a letter from each of us to Minicraft. I was thinking about one letter, with everybody signing it, but it would be more impressive to receive 100 letters, instead of one letter with 100 names on it. I also plan on creating another letter for our club, and try to get as many signatures on it as possible. If you think it's possible, I will post the address for the "president" (?) of Minicraft later. How does everyone feel about this? Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 08:55:12 +0000 From: Rob To: wwi Subject: Re: Re[4]: Post-War Exploits Message-ID: <9608290846.aa28269@scosysv.speechsys.com> Riordan: You write. > I have a web page in the works... Keep me informed and I will link you in when you are ready. Regards. Rob, robj@speechsys.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:59:52 -0400 (EDT) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Re: Albatros D.III Message-ID: <199608291459.KAA10908@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > What got me started was seeing Minicraft's wonderful Mk.XIV Spitfire. > A *complete* kit for $8. How many on this list would buy an accurate > Albatros D.III for $8? And, how many on this list would buy *lots* > of them? How about while we're asking them suggesting they do an Se5A as well, hell even ask for the stuff Revell has OOP like the E-III, MS-N, Sop. Tripe. Minicraft already has the Camel and Spad which SEEM like rip-offs of the Revell efforts. (I think battle hobbies sells them for $1.70!!!) Make up a letter, I'll put it on the "Help Promote WWI modeling" section of the WWW page and we all can print it and send it. -Al > > So, I'm thinking a letter from each of us to Minicraft. I was > thinking about one letter, with everybody signing it, but it would be > more impressive to receive 100 letters, instead of one letter with > 100 names on it. > > I also plan on creating another letter for our club, and try to get > as many signatures on it as possible. > > If you think it's possible, I will post the address for the > "president" (?) of Minicraft later. > > How does everyone feel about this? > > > Matt > meba@cso.com > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:02:26 -0500 From: iceman@ro.com (Eli Geher) To: wwi Subject: Re: Book shops in SF,NY and Toronto Message-ID: <199608291502.KAA16755@sh1.ro.com> >Hi all > >A quick question to all my northern hemisphere WW1 modellers. > >I have relatives who will be in Frisco,NY and Toronto next month and would >like to know the best books shops to frequent(especially for Windsock!!!). > >I need exact addresses and they have to be in the central city area(not a 30 >min train ride out of town!) > >Any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated. > >BTW, how much are Windsock in the US(US dollars please, no conversions) > >Thanks in advance. > >Michael Cornforth >sbstd@iinet.com.au >"Free advice is seldom free" > > New York City is actually a desert as far as modellers are concerned. My understanding is that Sky Books shut down a couple of years ago. It is/was in mid-town Manhattan, on 51st Street. Its hard to be specific since I no longer have a New York City phone book. Ace Hobbies is somewhere between 20th St. and 35th St., on an upper floor. The phone book will have an address, and Manhattan is a very rectangular island, hard to get lost. I believe that there are still some specialized shops in mid-town dealing with militaria, but I have no information as to names or locations. Most of the "good" stuff is located outside of midtown Manhattan and would require transportation, time and a high tolerance for getting lost. Eli Geher iceman@ro.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:12:38 -0500 From: iceman@ro.com (Eli Geher) To: wwi Subject: Re: Re[2]: Post-War Exploits Message-ID: <199608291512.KAA20605@sh1.ro.com> >You mean the damned INSURRECTION? You mean good Americans have >to go down there again and MAKE 'EM HOWL all over again? [heh, heh, >heh ...] >Rob, >robj@speechsys.com. > > This, of course, confirms the point I was trying to make with regard to the inexorability of history. As we still say down here, the yankees hain't no problem. We just send them packin' back no'th. Its the damyankees cause the trouble. Damyankees are the ones who like it so much hereabouts that we cain't get rid of 'em nohow. Eli Geher (damyankee) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 09:17:40 +0000 From: Rob To: wwi Subject: Re: Who dat? WAS German Airscrews, Loz Message-ID: <9608290908.aa28656@scosysv.speechsys.com> David writes: > Sigfried Sasoon (On even days) > Rupert Brooke (On odd numbered days except if it's a full moon, then it's > Yeats) Hey, we're a literate crowd, too! Anyone besides the two of us interested in WW1 poetry? Rob, robj@speechsys.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 11:19:42 -0400 (EDT) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Re: Who dat? WAS German Airscrews, Loz Message-ID: <199608291519.LAA11119@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > David writes: > > Sigfried Sasoon (On even days) > > Rupert Brooke (On odd numbered days except if it's a full moon, then it's > > Yeats) > > Hey, we're a literate crowd, too! Anyone besides the two of us > interested in WW1 poetry? Not to be hard-nosed about this but please try to solicit answers to non-modeling questions (like this and the post-war exploits stuff) to private e-mail. Some of the list members would like the discussions here to be more modeling focused. I don't mind the post asking for WWI poets, just take the followups off-line. Thanks, Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | Rodents of unusual size? I don't think they exist. University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 09:24:30 +0000 From: Rob To: wwi Subject: RE: WWW page for storage of information Message-ID: <9608290915.aa28756@scosysv.speechsys.com> Joe: Thanks for the kind comments. You asked >... I was wondering, if you would tell me the name > of the font you used for the head graphic "Chandelle". It resembles a font > I have been looking high and low for. I believe it is TrueType Algerian. If it isn't, let me know and I will actually look (I don't have the files here at work). > I publish two fanzines for victorian era hobbists (mainly minature > wargamers) I think so highly of your page, that I will use it as an > inspiration to do a similar thing for those two journals. Thank You! Keep me informed. I have a degree in Victorian lit and would like to take a look when the page is up. > P.S. I am looking forward to your all WWI issue (I'll see if I have > anything I can write for you). Please do! Regards, Rob, robj@speechsys.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 12:58:03 -0400 (EDT) From: "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" To: wwi Subject: RE: Josef Carl Jacobs Message-ID: <960829125803.2021ba14@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU> Excellent article (with GREAT photos) appeared in the Winter 1965 CROSS & COCKADE JOURNAL (Vol. 6, No. 4). Prepared by the late Bill Puglisi (one of the true pioneers in WW I aviation history), article answers many of the questions raised in this forum. PK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 13:12:47 -0500 From: Peter Fedders To: wwi Message-ID: <199608291812.NAA19108@howdy.wustl.edu> It's not clear that WWI is over yet. The murderous Serbs and their Russian cousins are still at work murdering Muslims.. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 14:33:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Joseph Gentile To: wwi Subject: RE: Josef Carl Jacobs Message-ID: <199608291933.OAA01208@Walden.MO.NET> At 12:57 PM 8/29/96 -0400, you wrote: > Excellent article (with GREAT photos) appeared in the Winter 1965 CROSS >& COCKADE JOURNAL (Vol. 6, No. 4). Prepared by the late Bill Puglisi (one of >the true pioneers in WW I aviation history), article answers many of the >questions raised in this forum. > >PK > >Let's see, I was one, maybe two when that came out (depending on the month) any chance that either you or perhaps any other member of this list have a photocopy available for my perusal. Is it safe to assume that a back copy of this particular periodical is unatainable? I will gladly pay for the postage as well as copying costs. Thank you, Joe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 16:00:55 -0700 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Tuesday, 29 August 1916, Buc Message-ID: <32262127.2B51@host.dmsc.net> Fair in a.m. Had two good flights in last class of school. Went to Versailles and met Capt Parker at 11 and brought him out, dined at Hotel Aixatic and showed him the whole school all p.m. Chief Pilot took us around was extremely nice & gave the Capt. a fine impression of me as a pilot. Took him back to Versailles in evening. Got excused from work in p.m. Thunderstorm cleared up day at 6 p.m. Letters Joe from Lydon. G. OK. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 96 16:44:55 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[4]: WWW page for storage of information Message-ID: <9607298413.AA841362250@mx.Ricochet.net> Don't know, Matt, but they're worth a stamp. Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Re[2]: WWW page for storage of information Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 8/29/96 5:12 AM On 28 Aug 96 at 17:55, Riordan Goodwin typed diligantly: > Have you tried Taubman Plans Service International, 11 College > Dr.#4G, Jersey City NJ 07305? They have WWI U-31 class plans, > which I thought I might never find. Do they also have plans for any of the UB or UC U-boats? I might have to snail mail them and get at least a catalog. Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 96 16:51:34 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re: Albatros D.III Message-ID: <9607298413.AA841362730@mx.Ricochet.net> Capital idea, Matt. It's about damned time somebody marketed affordable accuracy in a WWI kit. The motion is seconded. Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Albatros D.III Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 8/29/96 7:52 AM I just had an idea, and thought I would get it out before it dies of loneliness... Erik and I are starting a letter writing campaign to Minicraft for a VVS a/c from that "other war". What do list members think about starting a letter writing campaign to Minicraft for a complete and accurate 1/72nd Albatros D.III, with the possibility of "cross scaleing" to 1/48th? What got me started was seeing Minicraft's wonderful Mk.XIV Spitfire. A *complete* kit for $8. How many on this list would buy an accurate Albatros D.III for $8? And, how many on this list would buy *lots* of them? So, I'm thinking a letter from each of us to Minicraft. I was thinking about one letter, with everybody signing it, but it would be more impressive to receive 100 letters, instead of one letter with 100 names on it. I also plan on creating another letter for our club, and try to get as many signatures on it as possible. If you think it's possible, I will post the address for the "president" (?) of Minicraft later. How does everyone feel about this? Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 96 16:58:06 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[6]: Post-War Exploits Message-ID: <9607298413.AA841363090@mx.Ricochet.net> Rob- Thanks heaps. It is very important for me to get informed feedback on my efforts, and I am ALWAYS desperate for new sources of info. QOTD: Anyone have any info on the ultimate fate of Heinrich Zempel, Jasta pilot of (apparently) no particular renown? Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Re[4]: Post-War Exploits Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 8/29/96 7:53 AM Riordan: You write. > I have a web page in the works... Keep me informed and I will link you in when you are ready. Regards. Rob, robj@speechsys.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 96 17:03:20 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[2]: Albatros D.III Message-ID: <9607298413.AA841363450@mx.Ricochet.net> In case anyone is interested, I received a reply from Revell/Crayola of Germany, informing me that all the old kits are currently in re-issue and in the current catalog. They gave me a batch of what I am assuming must be kit #s... Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Albatros D.III Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 8/29/96 8:00 AM > What got me started was seeing Minicraft's wonderful Mk.XIV Spitfire. > A *complete* kit for $8. How many on this list would buy an accurate > Albatros D.III for $8? And, how many on this list would buy *lots* > of them? How about while we're asking them suggesting they do an Se5A as well, hell even ask for the stuff Revell has OOP like the E-III, MS-N, Sop. Tripe. Minicraft already has the Camel and Spad which SEEM like rip-offs of the Revell efforts. (I think battle hobbies sells them for $1.70!!!) Make up a letter, I'll put it on the "Help Promote WWI modeling" section of the WWW page and we all can print it and send it. -Al > > So, I'm thinking a letter from each of us to Minicraft. I was > thinking about one letter, with everybody signing it, but it would be > more impressive to receive 100 letters, instead of one letter with > 100 names on it. > > I also plan on creating another letter for our club, and try to get > as many signatures on it as possible. > > If you think it's possible, I will post the address for the > "president" (?) of Minicraft later. > > How does everyone feel about this? > > > Matt > meba@cso.com > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 20:09:00 -0400 From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Who dat? WAS German Airscrews, Loz Message-ID: <960829195826_397182630@emout19.mail.aol.com> Obviously, you did not see the Pythonesque humour in this. One of our male correspondence was going by the name Shelley. (like Percy) And I thought that I too could adapt similar nom deplumes. Please note the schedule when affressing me! ------------------------------ Date: 30 Aug 96 10:11:00 EDT From: SDW@qld.mim.com.au To: wwi%pease1.sr.unh.edu@teksup.mim.com.au Subject: RE: Albatros D.III Message-ID: <199608300032.KAA22330@mimmon.mim.com.au> Hi Matt, Riordan et al, >>What got me started was seeing Minicraft's wonderful Mk.XIV Spitfire. >>A *complete* kit for $8. How many on this list would buy an accurate >>Albatros D.III for $8? And, how many on this list would buy *lots* >>of them? >> >>So, I'm thinking a letter from each of us to Minicraft. I was >>thinking about one letter, with everybody signing it, but it would be >>more impressive to receive 100 letters, instead of one letter with >>100 names on it. >> >>How does everyone feel about this? >> >>Matt >Capital idea, Matt. It's about damned time somebody marketed affordable >accuracy in a WWI kit. >The motion is seconded. >Riordan For all the good it'll do me, I'd also love to see Albatrii D-anything at US$8== A$10 but the Brisbane River will freeze over first (and it was 79F last midnight in Brisbane, one day before Spring even starts) What is needed is a two pronged attack. Pester the manufacturers. And drive all your modelling mates freaky until THEY get the WW1 bug too. I don't think we constitute "critical mass" for a state of the art kit from Minicraft quite yet :-( Regards Shane sdw@qld.mim.com.au Brisbane, Australia ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 20:15:02 -0700 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Re: Shelley-- pioneer of aerial warfare Message-ID: <32265CB6.21DE@host.dmsc.net> DavidL1217@aol.com wrote: > > Obviously, you did not see the Pythonesque humour in this. > One of our male correspondence was going by the name Shelley. (like Percy) > And I thought that I too could adapt similar nom deplumes. Please note the > schedule when affressing me! It might be recalled that Percy Shelley was, after all, a pioneer of aerial warfare, calling the oppressed of Ireland to revolt by means of leaflets tied to balloons and released across the Irish Sea. Bradley Omanson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 96 17:56:32 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[2]: Siemens-Schukert D-1 Message-ID: <9607298413.AA841366570@mx.Ricochet.net> Mark- Did the Halberstadt D.V end up a two-bay biplane? I ask because one of my few ref. photos seems to indicate this. Also, where did you order your Czech. kit & how much did it set you back? Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Siemens-Schukert D-1 Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 8/28/96 8:38 PM Stuart Malone wrote re: his Halberstadt DII: >I have managed to make the ailerons, elevator, and rudder all free >moving, but can't figure out if the cabanes are supposed to be >positioned like an Albatros DII/DIII or Albatros DI. The pictures I have >seen lead me to believe they were DI-ish. The good people at Merlin >obviously couldn't decide either, as these are obscured in their line >drawings as well. All the photos I've seen show the cabane struts as "DI-ish", i.e, 2 inverted V's. The "N" shaped cabanes ala the Alb. DIII were introduced on the Halb. DV >Also, there seems to be much debate on which side of the fuselage the >spandau was located. Generally speaking, on the DII and DIII, the gun was on the right hand side. On the DV, it was moved to the left side since most pilots preferred to fly with the right hand, leaving the left hand free to arm or de-jam the gun. The other major difference with the DV is that it had a large circular cut-out in the top wing. The DV's supplied to Turkish squadrons in Mesopotamia (Iraq) and Palestine were frequently equipped with extra radiators in an attempt to cope with desert flying conditions. Also, the final production run (25 aircraft in June 1917, destined for the mid-east) had twin machine guns. If and when my Czechmasters DII (1/48, of course) ever shows up, my plan is to convert it to a DV. Good luck with your project (with a Merlin kit in munchkin scale, I sure don't envy you!) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 96 18:04:37 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[2]: Albatros D.III Message-ID: <9607298413.AA841367050@mx.Ricochet.net> Shane- I can't help but agree with you-until people stop buying so many P-51s, we are very likely to drown in them. WW1 kits are considered *slow movers* by the shop owners. Ive nearly talked a buddy into building a D-V... Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: RE: Albatros D.III Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 8/29/96 5:11 PM Hi Matt, Riordan et al, >>What got me started was seeing Minicraft's wonderful Mk.XIV Spitfire. >>A *complete* kit for $8. How many on this list would buy an accurate >>Albatros D.III for $8? And, how many on this list would buy *lots* >>of them? >> >>So, I'm thinking a letter from each of us to Minicraft. I was >>thinking about one letter, with everybody signing it, but it would be >>more impressive to receive 100 letters, instead of one letter with >>100 names on it. >> >>How does everyone feel about this? >> >>Matt >Capital idea, Matt. It's about damned time somebody marketed affordable >accuracy in a WWI kit. >The motion is seconded. >Riordan For all the good it'll do me, I'd also love to see Albatrii D-anything at US$8== A$10 but the Brisbane River will freeze over first (and it was 79F last midnight in Brisbane, one day before Spring even starts) What is needed is a two pronged attack. Pester the manufacturers. And drive all your modelling mates freaky until THEY get the WW1 bug too. I don't think we constitute "critical mass" for a state of the art kit from Minicraft quite yet :-( Regards Shane sdw@qld.mim.com.au Brisbane, Australia ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 241 *********************