WWI Digest 240 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) SMER Albatros by "Shelley Goodwin" 2) RE: WWW page for storage of information by Rob 3) Re: Re[2]: Post-War Exploits by Rob 4) RE: WWW page for storage of information -Reply by John Snyder 5) Shelley Goodwin by Rob 6) RE: WWW page for storage of information by SDW@qld.mim.com.au 7) RE: WWW page for storage of information by (Joseph Boeke)boeke@bucknell.edu 8) RE: WWW page for storage of information by (Joseph Boeke)boeke@bucknell.edu 9) Re: Who dat? WAS German Airscrews, Loz by DavidL1217@aol.com 10) Re: Re[2]: Post-War Exploits by DavidL1217@aol.com 11) Re: Re[2]: Post-War Exploits by bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 12) RE: WWW page for storage of information by bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 13) Re: Re[2]: Post-War Exploits by bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 14) Re: SMER Albatros by bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 15) Book shops in SF,NY and Toronto by Step by Step Training Development 16) Re[4]: Post-War Exploits by "Shelley Goodwin" 17) Re[2]: SMER Albatros by "Shelley Goodwin" 18) Re: Book shops in SF,NY and Toronto by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 19) Re: Photo Identification Desired by cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) 20) Re[2]: SMER Albatros by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 21) Re: Siemens-Schukert D-1 by lothar@ncw.net (mark) 22) Re[2]: Book shops in SF,NY and Toronto by "Shelley Goodwin" 23) Re: Re[2]: Post-War Exploits by iceman@ro.com (Eli Geher) 24) Monday, 28 August 1916, Buc by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 25) Re: Re[2]: Post-War Exploits by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 26) Re: Pfalz silver-grey by vprice@Sydney2.world.net (Vincent Price) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 Aug 96 15:02:40 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: SMER Albatros Message-ID: <9607288412.AA841269736@mx.Ricochet.net> QOTD: Is the SMER Albatros D.III(V) serviceable? I once owned one for a short time but noticed that the fin/rudder looked like it belonged on a manatee. Could it be *scrubbed* into a passable D.V and how much would it take? Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 16:33:07 +0000 From: Rob To: wwi Subject: RE: WWW page for storage of information Message-ID: <9608281624.aa23705@scosysv.speechsys.com> Shane writes: > Now if someone would release a 1:350 scale HMAS Sydney to sink the pesky > Emden, or a HMS Lion, Derflingger etc etc... > > Actually, I'd settle for decent plans. Plans can probably be had for almost anything from the specialist ship model companies like the Dromedary. The US Naval Institute Press books and the annual, Warships (Conway Maritime Press), have plans for everything from hull lines to AA machineguns. For example, in the WW1 area, see the Naval Institute's Big Gun Monitors. Their first volume on Russian warship development includes drawings of monitors, destroyers, battleships, etc. that could be turned into plans. Volumes on the development of US and British destroyers and battleships contain much WW1 material. One Warship volume (can't recall which one) featured the Viribus Unitis class of Austrian battleships. Finally, there are the old Jane's Fighting Ships that many libraries still have (though, the drawings are a lot more primitive than those in the other volumes I mentioned). Finally, my web page will run an illustrated feature on WW1 allied coastal operations in the Adriatic. This has drawings of MAS, British and Italian monitors, and harbor assault craft, as well as some brief bibliography. Look for it in a month or so. Rob, robj@speechsys.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 16:46:37 +0000 From: Rob To: wwi Subject: Re: Re[2]: Post-War Exploits Message-ID: <9608281637.aa23773@scosysv.speechsys.com> Ruiordan writes: > Thanks. This topic (German Police squadrons) seems like another ideal subject for Windsock, > although it is technically *off-topic*. Although admittedly > interesting, I think they have devoted enough space to France's > Foreign Legion of the Air. Why off topic? What makes people think WW1 ended in 1918, just because the Armistice was signed? The fighting in the Baltic, the Ukraine, Poland, Finland, and Russia didn't even falter, though the names and legal affiliation of the combatants changed. The revolutions that were the center of conflict in this period (Russia, Germany, Hungary) and the emergent nations of the time (Czechoslovakia, Poland, Finland) all had their beginnings before 1918. The biggest exploit by the Royal Navy's famous WW1 coastal motor boats was a 1919 raid on the Red fleet anchorage at Kronstadt. The 1918 Japanese invasion of Siberia continued in 1919. American and British troops landed at Archangel in north Russia in 1919 while whole squadrons of British "instructors" flew combat missions in the south. If the combatants were WW1 soldiers and officers (never demobilised) using WW1 equipment, why isn't this part of WW1? Rob, robj@speechsys.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 15:56:05 -0800 From: John Snyder To: wwi Subject: RE: WWW page for storage of information -Reply Message-ID: Shane: A follow-up to my earlier post. I just talked with Bill Gruner of Pacific Front Hobbies, and here is what is available in WW1-era ships: 1/700 Classic Warships has the Seydlitz, Goeben, and Moltke for $65 each, and the Von Der Tann for $60; the Agincourt for $65; and will shortly be shipping the Lion, for $65. Doc-Modell has the Austro-Hungarian Saida for $46. Waveline has the Queen Elizabeth in her 1915 fit for $85. Kobo-Hiryu has the Dreadnought for $50, and a pair of Japanese battlecruisers. White Ensign (England) will be shipping the Benbow and the Iron Duke in the next couple of months. 1/500 There is a re-issue of the old Frog kit of the Royal Sovereign for $18. 1/350 Lusitania Finally, there are numerous kits in various scales of the American 4-stack destroyers, which could be built in WW1 rig. Still, nothing to specifically deal with that 1/350 Emden.... John jsnyder@trmx3.dot.ca.gov ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 16:59:32 +0000 From: Rob To: wwi Subject: Shelley Goodwin Message-ID: <9608281650.aa23866@scosysv.speechsys.com> Riordan: You write > Thanks. This topic seems like another ideal subject for Windsock, > although it is technically *off-topic*. Charles Hart and I have a virtual aviation magazine ensconced on my home page (. Why don't you look into the police air units and/or Freikorps and write a piece for it? With photos, photo references, and/or good description, I could put together some profiles. Doing this would be a good start for a more involved project and it probably wouldn't hurt your chances of publishing in the non-profit journals like OTF and C&C (should you be so inclined). My site is linked by Squadron, so you should get a fair bit of exposure. The Junkers pictures I mentioned were in the old Profile (I don't have a copy, alas, but ILL might be able to find it in one of the bound volumes). The Datafile on the Aviatik-Berg D-type has, I believe, at least one photo of an Austrian police aircraft. A lot of the Freikorps types wrote memoirs that may be available, especially if you read Hun ... er ... German. Theo Osterkamp and Christiansen both joined Freikorps units, I believe, and flew (if memory serves) Junkers D and Cl types. Hals und beinbruch. Rob, robj@speechsys.com. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Aug 96 09:25:00 EDT From: SDW@qld.mim.com.au To: wwi%pease1.sr.unh.edu@teksup.mim.com.au Subject: RE: WWW page for storage of information Message-ID: <199608282349.JAA11756@mimmon.mim.com.au> John, >A follow-up to my earlier post. I just talked with Bill Gruner of Pacific >Front Hobbies, and here is what is available in WW1-era ships: > >1/700 > >Classic Warships has the Seydlitz, Goeben, and Moltke for $65 each, and the Vo (snip, rest of usefull list) > >1/350 >Lusitania Between Matt and his munchkin planes, and now you and your munchkin ships, I sense a plot to remove what little I have left in the way of vision ;-) Thanks for the list. Incidentally, I price these kits as "2 Eduard" and "3 Eduard", rather than US$ or A$ >Still, nothing to specifically deal with that 1/350 Emden.... I have yet to try the Australian National Maritime Museum for a plan, source or research materials on HMAS Sydney, but they were devastatingly *unhelpful* when I last politely asked something of them. Regards Shane Weier sdw@qld.mim.com.au Brisbane,Australia ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 20:11:02 -0500 From: (Joseph Boeke)boeke@bucknell.edu To: wwi Subject: RE: WWW page for storage of information Message-ID: >Finally, my web page will run an >illustrated feature on WW1 allied coastal operations in the Adriatic. Rob, I really liked your page! I was wondering, if you would tell me the name of the font you used for the head graphic "Chandelle". It resembles a font I have been looking high and low for. I publish two fanzines for victorian era hobbists (mainly minature wargamers) I think so highly of your page, that I will use it as an inspiration to do a similar thing for those two journals. Thank You! - Joe P.S. I am looking forward to your all WWI issue (I'll see if I have anything I can write for you). +==================================+===================================+ | Joseph R. Boeke | | | Manager, Prospect Information | Things may come to those that | | Bucknell University | wait, but only the things left by | | (717) 524-3200 | those that hustle. | | (717) 524-3610 (fax) | -- Abraham Lincoln | | boeke@bucknell.edu | | +======================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 20:22:57 -0500 From: (Joseph Boeke)boeke@bucknell.edu To: wwi Subject: RE: WWW page for storage of information Message-ID: >Plans can probably be had for almost anything from the specialist >ship model companies like the Dromedary. The only thing about Dromedary, is that they tend to focus on sailing vessels (i.e., pre steam). As a fanatic (well fanatic maybe a bit strong, as I haven't had the opportunity to do ANY modelling since March) 1/700 ship/plane modeller, I know there is very little in the way of plans out there (in particular for WWI ships). However, that said, Rocky Mountain Shipyard is a good place to start looking (I don't have the address handy, but they advertise in the classified section of FSSM all the time). There catalog is essentally a collection of items from different publishers (Schiffer, USNIP, etc...). They carry most of the different lines of plans. Right now, on my work bench (staring up at me calling to me) is a 1/700 scale USS Pennsylvania. I am converting this one to her late 1940's look, I plan to do another in her 1930's decor, one after her post-Pearl Harbor refit, and backdate another to her 1918 fighting trim -- FYI, the Pennsylvania stayed in home watters during WWI, because she was oil-fired, and no Navy of the time had sufficient reserves of petrol to feed her (or the "tanker" ships to transport the petrol). I also have a 1/700 scale HMS Hood (by Testor's) that I have been considering back-dating (assuming I get any hobby time in the future). Oh well, back to the salt mine. - Joe P.S. It is nice to be back and hear the list chatter again :) +==================================+===================================+ | Joseph R. Boeke | | | Manager, Prospect Information | Things may come to those that | | Bucknell University | wait, but only the things left by | | (717) 524-3200 | those that hustle. | | (717) 524-3610 (fax) | -- Abraham Lincoln | | boeke@bucknell.edu | | +======================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 20:35:16 -0400 From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Who dat? WAS German Airscrews, Loz Message-ID: <960828203515_467546739@emout17.mail.aol.com> Shelley, Keats, Byron ? Call yourself anything you want! Signed, Sigfried Sasoon (On even days) Rupert Brooke (On odd numbered days except if it's a full moon, then it's Yeats) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 20:38:23 -0400 From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Re[2]: Post-War Exploits Message-ID: <960828203823_467549283@emout18.mail.aol.com> World War One ended in 1989 with the tearing down of the Berlin wall and the dissolution of the USSR... Food for thought ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 21:34:10 -0400 (EDT) From: bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Re[2]: Post-War Exploits Message-ID: <199608290134.VAA08214@ns1.ptd.net> At 06:45 PM 8/28/96 -0400, Rob wrote: >Why off topic? What makes people think WW1 ended in 1918, just >because the Armistice was signed? The fighting in the Baltic, the >Ukraine, Poland, Finland, and Russia didn't even falter, though the names and >legal affiliation of the combatants changed. The revolutions that >were the center of conflict in this period (Russia, Germany, Hungary) >and the emergent nations of the time (Czechoslovakia, Poland, Finland) >all had their beginnings before 1918. ................. If the combatants were WW1 soldiers >and officers (never demobilised) using WW1 equipment, why isn't this >part of WW1? Great point ! I fopund myself being caught in the same mind trap of 11-11-18 at 11:00 as being the end. Your idea shows insight and I find myself completely in agreement. Gee...what are the chances that someone would change their entire life thought pattern (ok maybe only since 7th grade) regarding the end of the war based on a short thought in an e-mail conversation! That's why I love coming home to read the e-mail. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 21:39:49 -0400 (EDT) From: bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: WWW page for storage of information Message-ID: <199608290139.VAA10289@ns1.ptd.net> At 08:15 PM 8/28/96 -0400, Joseph Boeke wrote: > >. It is nice to be back and hear the list chatter again :) Joe I was wondering what happened to you! I finally found a hobby store in the Poconos that at least had heard of WWI airplanes! Still it's worth the drive to Rosemont. I plan on being at his model Expo in Sep. and, with luck, will have my DVa finished. Maybe I'll run into you there. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 21:41:40 -0400 (EDT) From: bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Re[2]: Post-War Exploits Message-ID: <199608290141.VAA10987@ns1.ptd.net> At 08:37 PM 8/28/96 -0400, DavidL1217@aol.com wrote: >World War One ended in 1989 with the tearing down of the Berlin wall and the >dissolution of the USSR... > >Food for thought David See my earlier post ! My mind will keep me up quite late tonight..... Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 21:44:40 -0400 (EDT) From: bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: SMER Albatros Message-ID: <199608290144.VAA12118@ns1.ptd.net> At 06:09 PM 8/28/96 -0400, Shelley Goodwin wrote: > > > Is the SMER Albatros D.III(V) serviceable? I once owned one for a > short time but noticed that the fin/rudder looked like it belonged on > a manatee. Could it be *scrubbed* into a passable D.V and how much > would it take? > > Riordan I've enjioyed making these for quite some time....sure, they are not super accurate, but they go together easily and there are a lot of neat decals out there to try out! I remember placing the fuselage up against the profile in the Albatros Special and seemed to think it wouldn"t be that hard to git the fin reshaped to a passable facsimile....Then again, I've yet to try it. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 09:46:48 +0800 From: Step by Step Training Development To: wwi Subject: Book shops in SF,NY and Toronto Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19960829094901.2ed70018@mail.iinet.net.au> Hi all A quick question to all my northern hemisphere WW1 modellers. I have relatives who will be in Frisco,NY and Toronto next month and would like to know the best books shops to frequent(especially for Windsock!!!). I need exact addresses and they have to be in the central city area(not a 30 min train ride out of town!) Any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated. BTW, how much are Windsock in the US(US dollars please, no conversions) Thanks in advance. Michael Cornforth sbstd@iinet.com.au "Free advice is seldom free" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 96 19:50:25 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[4]: Post-War Exploits Message-ID: <9607288412.AA841287010@mx.Ricochet.net> Rob- Amen, brother. I have read all about the Russian Civil War and the gallant CMB/RAF actions in the Baltic, and I couldn't agree with you more. Since the Western Front has gotten the majority of the press, it seems that most people assume the shooting stopped on Nov. 11, 1918. I considered the RCW & associated conflagrations to be the *closing rounds* of WWI, which actually lasted nearly four more years. What a fascinating period of history- I have a web page in the works... YT, Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Re[2]: Post-War Exploits Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 8/28/96 3:46 PM Ruiordan writes: > Thanks. This topic (German Police squadrons) seems like another ideal subject for Windsock, > although it is technically *off-topic*. Although admittedly > interesting, I think they have devoted enough space to France's > Foreign Legion of the Air. Why off topic? What makes people think WW1 ended in 1918, just because the Armistice was signed? The fighting in the Baltic, the Ukraine, Poland, Finland, and Russia didn't even falter, though the names and legal affiliation of the combatants changed. The revolutions that were the center of conflict in this period (Russia, Germany, Hungary) and the emergent nations of the time (Czechoslovakia, Poland, Finland) all had their beginnings before 1918. The biggest exploit by the Royal Navy's famous WW1 coastal motor boats was a 1919 raid on the Red fleet anchorage at Kronstadt. The 1918 Japanese invasion of Siberia continued in 1919. American and British troops landed at Archangel in north Russia in 1919 while whole squadrons of British "instructors" flew combat missions in the south. If the combatants were WW1 soldiers and officers (never demobilised) using WW1 equipment, why isn't this part of WW1? Rob, robj@speechsys.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 96 20:04:30 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[2]: SMER Albatros Message-ID: <9607288412.AA841287850@mx.Ricochet.net> Mike- Is the prop/spinner at least useable & are the wings at least oversized if not the right shape? I remeber Windsock sneering that the twin wing radiators were only used on middle eastern AC. What about the SPAD VII? I bought that for not very much $ and discovered rubber tires and all sorts of gaping pilot holes for the rigging. I guess I shouldn't take Aurora molds so seriously. The problem is the lozenge decal costs more than two of the kits! Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: SMER Albatros Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 8/28/96 6:43 PM At 06:09 PM 8/28/96 -0400, Shelley Goodwin wrote: > > > Is the SMER Albatros D.III(V) serviceable? I once owned one for a > short time but noticed that the fin/rudder looked like it belonged on > a manatee. Could it be *scrubbed* into a passable D.V and how much > would it take? > > Riordan I've enjioyed making these for quite some time....sure, they are not super accurate, but they go together easily and there are a lot of neat decals out there to try out! I remember placing the fuselage up against the profile in the Albatros Special and seemed to think it wouldn"t be that hard to git the fin reshaped to a passable facsimile....Then again, I've yet to try it. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 21:18:22 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: Book shops in SF,NY and Toronto Message-ID: >Hi all > >A quick question to all my northern hemisphere WW1 modellers. > >I have relatives who will be in Frisco,NY and Toronto next month and would >like to know the best books shops to frequent(especially for Windsock!!!). > >I need exact addresses and they have to be in the central city area(not a 30 >min train ride out of town!) > >Any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated. > >BTW, how much are Windsock in the US(US dollars please, no conversions) > >Thanks in advance. > >Michael Cornforth >sbstd@iinet.com.au >"Free advice is seldom free" While I have no information regarding bookstores in these cities I will make a remark about the general availability of Windsock in the U.S. That is to say that it isn't generally available, and certainly not a bookstores. There is one book distributor (Wise Owl Publications) I know of importing it and the Datafiles. There are a few hobby shops around that carry it as well, Rosemont, Sopwith (others ??). Ironically, on of the largest hobby distributors (Squadron) carries NO Windsock publications. My personal experience has been with hobby shops in central Ohio and the Denver, Colorado areas. There were two shops in Columbus that occasionally had copies of Windsock or Datafiles and these sold quickly. Here in the Denver area, one large shop was getting the Datafiles, but apparently stopped this over 2 years ago for reasons unknown. This spotty and irregular availability is the reason that I buy all of my Albatros publications direct from Albatros. You get the best price that way and more directly support this organization. To stand on the soap box a little longer I will add that the situation for book stores in the U.S. in general is not good. Large corporations with stores in dozens of cities here are coming to dominate the market and shove the "independent" shops (the ones with the best stocks) out of business. Go to any large city and the easiest bookshops to find are these chain stores like B. Dalton, Waldenbooks and Barnes & Noble. These large stores are into volume sales and generally cannot even obtain books from smaller publishers (I have personal experience with this at B&N, they wouldn't even get me a copy of Imrie's Fokker Triplane book !!). Established independent stores do what they can to compete, but they are having a hard time nation wide. Unfortunately, the independents usually are difficult to find, even for the natives, being in perhaps lesser traveled parts of town. Frequently one has to go hunting for them. Not a pretty picture, I know, but I thought I would put your request into a little bit of a native's perspective. My US$0.02 worth. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 96 23:28:46 EDT From: cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) To: wwi Subject: Re: Photo Identification Desired Message-ID: <199608290328.XAA17601@conted.swann.gatech.edu> Doug, I can't help with the other ones, but the RK D.VII might belong to Richard Kraut; photos of a model of his plane can be found at the WWI web page. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 21:41:19 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re[2]: SMER Albatros Message-ID: > >What about the SPAD VII? I bought that for not very much $ and discovered >rubber >tires and all sorts of gaping pilot holes for the rigging. The Smer (formerly Heller) SPAD VII kit is closer to 1/40 scale, which I think hasn't made it too popular. Certainly it was difficult to find until Smer revived it, and they are pretty cheap to buy now. I don't think I have ever seen one built though. >I guess I shouldn't take Aurora molds so seriously. The problem is the >lozenge >decal costs more than two of the kits! > Perhaps, but then again, decals are not cheap to produce, particularly when they are sold in as relatively small quantities as lozenge releases. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu >Subject: Re: SMER Albatros >Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet >Date: 8/28/96 6:43 PM > > >At 06:09 PM 8/28/96 -0400, Shelley Goodwin wrote: >> >> >> Is the SMER Albatros D.III(V) serviceable? I once owned one for a >> short time but noticed that the fin/rudder looked like it belonged on >> a manatee. Could it be *scrubbed* into a passable D.V and how much >> would it take? >> >> Riordan > > I've enjioyed making these for quite some time....sure, they are not >super accurate, but they go together easily and there are a lot of neat >decals out there to try out! I remember placing the fuselage up against the >profile in the Albatros Special and seemed to think it wouldn"t be that hard >to git the fin reshaped to a passable facsimile....Then again, I've yet to >try it. > >Mike Muth > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 20:40:28 -0700 From: lothar@ncw.net (mark) To: wwi Subject: Re: Siemens-Schukert D-1 Message-ID: <199608290340.UAA08015@bing.ncw.net> Stuart Malone wrote re: his Halberstadt DII: >I have managed to make the ailerons, elevator, and rudder all free >moving, but can't figure out if the cabanes are supposed to be >positioned like an Albatros DII/DIII or Albatros DI. The pictures I have >seen lead me to believe they were DI-ish. The good people at Merlin >obviously couldn't decide either, as these are obscured in their line >drawings as well. All the photos I've seen show the cabane struts as "DI-ish", i.e, 2 inverted V's. The "N" shaped cabanes ala the Alb. DIII were introduced on the Halb. DV >Also, there seems to be much debate on which side of the fuselage the >spandau was located. Generally speaking, on the DII and DIII, the gun was on the right hand side. On the DV, it was moved to the left side since most pilots preferred to fly with the right hand, leaving the left hand free to arm or de-jam the gun. The other major difference with the DV is that it had a large circular cut-out in the top wing. The DV's supplied to Turkish squadrons in Mesopotamia (Iraq) and Palestine were frequently equipped with extra radiators in an attempt to cope with desert flying conditions. Also, the final production run (25 aircraft in June 1917, destined for the mid-east) had twin machine guns. If and when my Czechmasters DII (1/48, of course) ever shows up, my plan is to convert it to a DV. Good luck with your project (with a Merlin kit in munchkin scale, I sure don't envy you!) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 96 21:21:20 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[2]: Book shops in SF,NY and Toronto Message-ID: <9607288412.AA841292530@mx.Ricochet.net> Michael- Living in the east S.F. Bay area has one advantage: there are two huge hobby stores here-one of them, San Antonio Hobbies in Mountainview has nearly ALL of the Datafiles in print, as well as half a dozen or so different issues of Windsock going back a couple years. Unfortunately, Mountainview is at least 30 min south of downtown SF on 101, and the mags are now at $12.00 ea.-the Datafiles are also very spendy. I, too would suggest ordering them direct. S, Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Book shops in SF,NY and Toronto Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 8/28/96 8:13 PM >Hi all > >A quick question to all my northern hemisphere WW1 modellers. > >I have relatives who will be in Frisco,NY and Toronto next month and would >like to know the best books shops to frequent(especially for Windsock!!!). > >I need exact addresses and they have to be in the central city area(not a 30 >min train ride out of town!) > >Any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated. > >BTW, how much are Windsock in the US(US dollars please, no conversions) > >Thanks in advance. > >Michael Cornforth >sbstd@iinet.com.au >"Free advice is seldom free" While I have no information regarding bookstores in these cities I will make a remark about the general availability of Windsock in the U.S. That is to say that it isn't generally available, and certainly not a bookstores. There is one book distributor (Wise Owl Publications) I know of importing it and the Datafiles. There are a few hobby shops around that carry it as well, Rosemont, Sopwith (others ??). Ironically, on of the largest hobby distributors (Squadron) carries NO Windsock publications. My personal experience has been with hobby shops in central Ohio and the Denver, Colorado areas. There were two shops in Columbus that occasionally had copies of Windsock or Datafiles and these sold quickly. Here in the Denver area, one large shop was getting the Datafiles, but apparently stopped this over 2 years ago for reasons unknown. This spotty and irregular availability is the reason that I buy all of my Albatros publications direct from Albatros. You get the best price that way and more directly support this organization. To stand on the soap box a little longer I will add that the situation for book stores in the U.S. in general is not good. Large corporations with stores in dozens of cities here are coming to dominate the market and shove the "independent" shops (the ones with the best stocks) out of business. Go to any large city and the easiest bookshops to find are these chain stores like B. Dalton, Waldenbooks and Barnes & Noble. These large stores are into volume sales and generally cannot even obtain books from smaller publishers (I have personal experience with this at B&N, they wouldn't even get me a copy of Imrie's Fokker Triplane book !!). Established independent stores do what they can to compete, but they are having a hard time nation wide. Unfortunately, the independents usually are difficult to find, even for the natives, being in perhaps lesser traveled parts of town. Frequently one has to go hunting for them. Not a pretty picture, I know, but I thought I would put your request into a little bit of a native's perspective. My US$0.02 worth. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 23:35:19 -0500 From: iceman@ro.com (Eli Geher) To: wwi Subject: Re: Re[2]: Post-War Exploits Message-ID: <199608290435.XAA09908@sh1.ro.com> >World War One ended in 1989 with the tearing down of the Berlin wall and the >dissolution of the USSR... > >Food for thought > > Why would one think that WWI is over? The initial issue, control of the Balkans by various ethnic groups, has never been resolved. And by this measure, WWI was an extension of the invasion of southereastern Europe by the Turks. Other unresolved conflicts presently still active, involve the invasion of Ireland by the British and the expulsion of the Jews from Palestine by the Romans. History uses dates as convenient markers, but refuses to be limited by them. Wars end only when ALL the parties are satisfied. As a resident of a former state of the Confederacy, I can advise that the American Civil War isn't quite done. Eli Geher iceman@ro.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 00:39:52 -0700 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Monday, 28 August 1916, Buc Message-ID: <32254948.348F@host.dmsc.net> Fine day. Had 4 fairly good short flights with Caudron in early a.m. but can't seem to master this heavier machine as well as I ought to do. Letter from Joe Phillips, Chicago, and note from Capt Parker saying he'll be out here tomorrow as I asked him to do. Had one short flight in late p.m. and was passed on to final class of school in which we do the spiral altitude test for the Brevet. Contented. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 21:43:16 -0700 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Re[2]: Post-War Exploits Message-ID: <199608290443.AA19637@ednet1.orednet.org> Eli Geher wrote: >Wars end only when ALL the parties are satisfied. As a resident >of a former state of the Confederacy, I can advise that the American Civil >War isn't quite done. I thought y'all refered to it as The War of Northern Aggression? :-) Cheers, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 17:54:59 +1000 (EST) From: vprice@Sydney2.world.net (Vincent Price) To: wwi Subject: Re: Pfalz silver-grey Message-ID: <199608290754.RAA04357@world.net> Matt, I use XtraColor X255 (RAL7001) Silbergrau. >Since Polly S(cale)'s Flat Aluminum can be used for Nieuports, what do >people use for the Pfalz 'silbergrau'? > > >Matt >mbittner@juno.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- GroupWare Internet: vprice@sydney2.world.net Level 12, Phone: +61 3 9606 0607 469 La Trobe Street Fax: +61 3 9606 0604 Melbourne, Vic., 3000 Mobile: +61 041 534 2166 AUSTRALIA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 240 *********************