WWI Digest 238 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Albatros C.III questions, Thanks. by Mark Lawrence Shannon 2) Saturday, 26 August 1916 by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 3) Re:(3) Horsetrading by "Shelley Goodwin" 4) Re[2]: Off-color lozenge by "Shelley Goodwin" 5) June 13, 1917 by "Shelley Goodwin" 6) RE: Re[2]: Off-color lozenge by "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" 7) Last of the Models by Charles_A._Duckworth@notes.up.com (Charles A. Duckworth) 8) Re: Last of the Models by cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) 9) Re: Au revoir -Reply by John Snyder 10) Re: Last of the Models by "Guy Fogel" 11) Sunday, 27 August 1916, Buc by homanger@host.dmsc.net 12) Re: Off-color lozenge by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 13) Re[4]: Off-color lozenge by "Shelley Goodwin" 14) Re: Off-color lozenge by bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 15) Re:(3) Horsetrading by bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 16) Re[2]: Off-color lozenge by "Shelley Goodwin" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 21:05:47 -0700 From: Mark Lawrence Shannon To: wwi Subject: Albatros C.III questions, Thanks. Message-ID: <3222741B.6B27@ix.netcom.com> I wanted to thank the gang for the info on the upper wing/gravity feed tank questions I had. I started the Eduard kit today, mainly by carving out the upper wing center section joint. Time to immure myself in the hobby room again. -- This has been Mark and/or Mary Shannon at Shingend@ix.netcom.com The good thing about being a pessimist is -- it lets you be pleasantly surprised -- on rare occasions. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 22:22:14 -0700 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Saturday, 26 August 1916 Message-ID: <32228606.67FE@host.dmsc.net> Fair day but too windy in a.m. for flying. Wrote Betty Wright, Mother & Miss Mooney. Note from Miss Mooney in a.m. Went down to Chateaufort to fly in late p.m. but rain and wind prevented any attempt. Very rainy by night. Mighty lonely and lovesick for dear darling Gertrude. Oh what wouldn't I give to have her near me for all time now and to come. No one can or will ever love and cherish her as I do. God give her to me soon forever. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 96 20:26:50 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re:(3) Horsetrading Message-ID: <9607268411.AA841116370@mx.Ricochet.net> Joey- I have that SMER kit in a ziploc, and the only reason I still have it is because I was flirting with the idea of sawing the middle out of it and converting it to an A-1 Balilla such as the ones the Kosciuszko Boys flew in Belorussia c.1920. I figured a set of new wings, revised struts, exhaust stubs and cowling (with openings for the Vickers) and I might be able to make do. The SVA Datafile is very nice, showing side-fuselage bomb 'racks', but I'm just not really into Italian AC, with the exception of the Caproni 61 'TransAero'. Does no one make a decal of the lion-pennant? Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 96 21:00:16 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[2]: Off-color lozenge Message-ID: <9607268411.AA841118410@mx.Ricochet.net> Bill- Thanks for the response. I am curious because I have an Aviation Hist. mag. w/ Lt. Alexander of Black Flight engaging a D-III with undersurface on all the uppersurfaces. The artist is one R.W. Bradford (who I know nothing about), and with the natural wood/metal fuselage, this scheme looks pretty sharp. I'm wondering if it is possibly accurate... QOTD: Did my June 13, 1917 message post? ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Off-color lozenge Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 8/26/96 3:08 PM Riordan wrote: > QOTD: > > Did some Albatrai/Pfalzs have undersurface 4-color on their rudders? > Did some Albatrai have undersurface on their upper surfaces due to > shortages? Dunno about Albatrai specifically but I have seen some photos of D.VII's where it appears the upper aileron(s) is (are) covered in undersurface lozenge. I'm guessing this phenomena occurred 'cause it was just easier to wrap a single piece of fabric around the aileron rather than cut and sew two pieces of fabric together. Field repair of damaged ailerons is a possibility as well- but mostly I'm just guessing. Cheers, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 96 21:48:11 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: June 13, 1917 Message-ID: <9607268411.AA841121290@mx.Ricochet.net> "I fired my first drum,of which the Hun did not take the slightest notice. I now perceived another Sopwith Pup just behind this rear Hun at quite close range, but after a while he turned away as though he was experiencing some trouble with his gun. How insolent these damned Boches did look, absolutely lording the sky above England! I replaced my first drum with another and had another try, after which the Huns swerved ever so slightly, and then the welcome sound of machine-guns smote my ears and I caught the smell of the incindiary bullets as they passed me. I now put on my third and last single Lewis drum (each drum held 47 shots),fired again and, to my intense chagrin, the last Hun did not take the slightest notice." (Note: While the ethnic slurs are those of Maj. James McCudden and not my own, I don't believe in sanitizing military history. Comments are welcome.) Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 7:25:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" To: wwi Subject: RE: Re[2]: Off-color lozenge Message-ID: <960827072509.2020b5a6@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU> Bob Bradford, the artist whose work was discussed here, is a very talented, accurate historian. He retired as director of the National Aeronautical Museum of Canada. He really did his homework, so you can rely on the color schemes. PK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 07:13:55 -0500 From: Charles_A._Duckworth@notes.up.com (Charles A. Duckworth) To: wwi Subject: Last of the Models Message-ID: <1996Aug27.051318.1155.607780@uprr-internet.notes.up.com> Here are my remaining 1/72nd kits I'll pickup any postage if you order over $25.00, if under please include $2 postage Charles Duckworth, 604 Foote Ave, Webster Groves, MO 63119 1/72 $8.00 Caudron G.IV Phoenix Vacuum form with decals and white metal wheel, engines and MG 1/72 $3.00 n/a Airco D.H.4 1918 Airfix Injected Plastic box packaging 1/72 $2.00 1080 Bristol F.2B Airfix Injected Plastic WS Vol. 9 No. 3 page 23 1/72 $7.00 1708 Pfalz DIII/DIIIa Meikraft Injected Plastic WS Vol. 6 No. 3 page 30 or Data File 21. (2 available) Large decal sheet in one kit 1/72 $9.00 33 Hansa Brandenburg W20 Merlin Injected Plastic Has metal parts and decals 1/72 $5.00 Hansa Brandenburg C.1 Wings vacuum form 1/72 $5.00 Hansa Brandenburg Ufag Wings vacuum form 1/72 $7.00 n/a Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter Merlin Injected Plastic Has metal parts and decals 1/72 $10.00 Halberstadt CLII Pegasus Injected plastic with decals and white metal 1/72 $9.00 27 Junker J.I Merlin Injected Plastic Has metal parts and decals 1/72 $10.00 35/36 Fokker D.VI & Pfalz D.XII Merlin Injected Plastic " Combination kit, has metal parts and decals" 1/72 $9.00 n/a de Havilland D.H.9A Merlin Injected Plastic Has metal parts and decals 1/72 $5.00 n/a Fokker DVIII Merlin Injected Plastic and decals 1/72 $8.00 F163 Vickers Vimy NOVO Injected Plastic "box packaging, has decals no instructions" have Scale Models article on building this kit and will toss in. 1/72 $3.00 n/a Junkers DI Warbirds Vacuum Formed Good general outlines 1/72 $9.00 Ansaldo SVA5 Pegsus Injected Plastic with decals and white metal parts 1/72 $9.00 Salmson 2A2 Pegsus Injected Plastic with decals and white metal parts 1/72 $9.00 Hanriot HD1 Pegsus Injected Plastic with decals and white metal parts 1/72 $5.00 Nieuport 28 Revell Original boxart from 1960's OO or HO $6.00 British WWI infantry Airfix OO or HO $6.00 British Royal Horse Artillery Airfix 1/72 $5.00 SPAD XIII ESCI Itailian marking ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 96 9:41:19 EDT From: cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) To: wwi Subject: Re: Last of the Models Message-ID: <199608271341.JAA13432@conted.swann.gatech.edu> Charles, I'm interested in the Halb. CL.II and Junk. J.I. Let me know if you can reserve those for me and I'll then drop a check in the mail. Thanks. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 08:28:40 -0800 From: John Snyder To: wwi Subject: Re: Au revoir -Reply Message-ID: Marc: According to my notes, you should e-mail to: listproc@pease1.sr.unh.edu and in the body of the message type either UNSUBSCRIBE WWI or SIGNOFF WWI >>> Marc Vrancken 08/26/96 05:06pm >>> Larry, Sorry to bothr you with this stupid question but ... how did you unsubscxribe : I tried several times for the same reason as yours but never succeeded. "Merci" for any tips you could send me. Marc larmin@ix.netcom.com wrote: > > I unsubscribed this morning due to ever-increasing demands upon my most > precious natural resource--time. Although I lurked much more than I > contributed, I enjoyed reading your posts and trying to visualize the person > at behind your keyboard. > Until later... > > Larry Armin, Aurora, CO ------------------------------ Date: 27 Aug 1996 09:39:36 -0700 From: "Guy Fogel" To: wwi Subject: Re: Last of the Models Message-ID: Charles, I would like the Vickers Vimy! I will send you the check tomorrow for the $8.00 plus $2.00. Let me know if you received this message... THX, Guy Fogel ------------------------------ Date: 8/27/96 5:17 AM To: Guy Fogel From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Here are my remaining 1/72nd kits I'll pickup any postage if you order over $25.00, if under please include $2 postage Charles Duckworth, 604 Foote Ave, Webster Groves, MO 63119 1/72 $8.00 Caudron G.IV Phoenix Vacuum form with decals and white metal wheel, engines and MG 1/72 $3.00 n/a Airco D.H.4 1918 Airfix Injected Plastic box packaging 1/72 $2.00 1080 Bristol F.2B Airfix Injected Plastic WS Vol. 9 No. 3 page 23 1/72 $7.00 1708 Pfalz DIII/DIIIa Meikraft Injected Plastic WS Vol. 6 No. 3 page 30 or Data File 21. (2 available) Large decal sheet in one kit 1/72 $9.00 33 Hansa Brandenburg W20 Merlin Injected Plastic Has metal parts and decals 1/72 $5.00 Hansa Brandenburg C.1 Wings vacuum form 1/72 $5.00 Hansa Brandenburg Ufag Wings vacuum form 1/72 $7.00 n/a Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter Merlin Injected Plastic Has metal parts and decals 1/72 $10.00 Halberstadt CLII Pegasus Injected plastic with decals and white metal 1/72 $9.00 27 Junker J.I Merlin Injected Plastic Has metal parts and decals 1/72 $10.00 35/36 Fokker D.VI & Pfalz D.XII Merlin Injected Plastic " Combination kit, has metal parts and decals" 1/72 $9.00 n/a de Havilland D.H.9A Merlin Injected Plastic Has metal parts and decals 1/72 $5.00 n/a Fokker DVIII Merlin Injected Plastic and decals 1/72 $8.00 F163 Vickers Vimy NOVO Injected Plastic "box packaging, has decals no instructions" have Scale Models article on building this kit and will toss in. 1/72 $3.00 n/a Junkers DI Warbirds Vacuum Formed Good general outlines 1/72 $9.00 Ansaldo SVA5 Pegsus Injected Plastic with decals and white metal parts 1/72 $9.00 Salmson 2A2 Pegsus Injected Plastic with decals and white metal parts 1/72 $9.00 Hanriot HD1 Pegsus Injected Plastic with decals and white metal parts 1/72 $5.00 Nieuport 28 Revell Original boxart from 1960's OO or HO $6.00 British WWI infantry Airfix OO or HO $6.00 British Royal Horse Artillery Airfix 1/72 $5.00 SPAD XIII ESCI Itailian marking ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 14:35:09 -0400 From: homanger@host.dmsc.net To: wwi Subject: Sunday, 27 August 1916, Buc Message-ID: <199608271835.OAA06232@ns1.dmsc.net> Muggy day. Too windy for flying in a.m. and I stayed here instead of taking 24 hours leave due me today expressedly to fly. Such is luck. Wrote short note to Mrs. Weeks in a.m. Slept and read most of day. No flying on account of wind in p.m. Miss Ann Morgan daughter of J. Pierpont Morgan, Miss De Wolfe and another friend motored out from their home in Versailles to see us all and asked Capt. to allow us all to come to lunch with them someday, this weekend-- possibly Saturday. They can give us a fine time so hope we can go. Ate supper in Buc in evening. Wish I would get a letter from darling Gertrude soon. It has been over a week since one came. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 13:44:44 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: Off-color lozenge Message-ID: > Fellows- > > > Is it possible to utilize off-color lozenge by either priming the wing > surface with a suitable color to dull/alter the colors of the decal or > overspraying them with similar pigment and intent? I seem to remember > reading somewhere that lozenge was occasionally oversprayed to > suppress visibilty. > I hate to throw complex decals (or any for that matter) away, and I > guess if all else fails I can use it for interiors. > > QOTD: > > Did some Albatrai/Pfalzs have undersurface 4-color on their rudders? > Did some Albatrai have undersurface on their upper surfaces due to > shortages? > Having looked at a great many photographs of Albatros and somewhat fewer of Pfalz machines, I have seen a bit of evidenct to suggest that more Albatros fighters were covered with 5-color fabric. This is what is preserved on a rudder in the Imperial War Museum from an OAW built D-Va, the rudder is covered in lower 5-color. Pfalz machines appear to have utilized 5-color fabric on lozenge covered wings. This isn't to say that these are absolute truths, exceptions abound. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 96 13:39:55 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[4]: Off-color lozenge Message-ID: <9607278411.AA841178419@mx.Ricochet.net> PK- Thanks for the info. If I ever get my hands on a decent *affordable* D-III (terms that are often mutually exclusive), I'll be modeling it as per Bradford's artwork. Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: RE: Re[2]: Off-color lozenge Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 8/27/96 4:25 AM Bob Bradford, the artist whose work was discussed here, is a very talented, accurate historian. He retired as director of the National Aeronautical Museum of Canada. He really did his homework, so you can rely on the color schemes. PK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 16:59:01 -0400 (EDT) From: bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Off-color lozenge Message-ID: <199608272059.QAA22544@ns1.ptd.net> : >> Fellows >> >> >> Is it possible to utilize off-color lozenge by either priming the wing >> surface with a suitable color to dull/alter the colors of the decal or >> overspraying them with similar pigment and intent? What I do is to paint an undercoat one the top anmd bootm of the wing. the undercoat I've been using is Polly S BLUE 500030. It's a pretty good match for the blue in the 4 & 5 color lozenge made by Americal and by Scalemaster. Then, even if the fit isn't perfect or some decal flakes off, you can hardly notice it. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 17:03:50 -0400 (EDT) From: bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re:(3) Horsetrading Message-ID: <199608272103.RAA24177@ns1.ptd.net> At 11:27 PM 8/26/96 -0400, Shelley Goodwin wrote: > Joey- > > I have that SMER kit in a ziploc, and the only reason I still have it > is because I was flirting with the idea of sawing the middle out of it > and converting it to an A-1 Balilla such as the ones the Kosciuszko > Boys flew in Belorussia c.1920. I figured a set of new wings, revised > struts, exhaust stubs and cowling (with openings for the Vickers) and > I might be able to make do. > The SVA Datafile is very nice, showing side-fuselage bomb 'racks', but > I'm just not really into Italian AC, with the exception of the Caproni > 61 'TransAero'. > Does no one make a decal of the lion-pennant? > > > Riordan Closest I've seen is Blue Rider's Italian Squadron markings. No lion pennant, but the griffin does appear in 2 different ways...aalthough only is siloette(sp)...no details. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 96 17:43:28 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[2]: Off-color lozenge Message-ID: <9607278411.AA841192958@mx.Ricochet.net> Mike- Thanks for the tip-I'm considering lozenge for the Pfalz (I have too many Nieuports that could end up being powder aluminum color), but was at a loss as to how the wings should be primed. Is that Polly S blue a gloss acrylic, and do you seal the decaled surfaces w/ a dullcoat? ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Off-color lozenge Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 8/27/96 2:01 PM : >> Fellows >> >> >> Is it possible to utilize off-color lozenge by either priming the wing >> surface with a suitable color to dull/alter the colors of the decal or >> overspraying them with similar pigment and intent? What I do is to paint an undercoat one the top anmd bootm of the wing. the undercoat I've been using is Polly S BLUE 500030. It's a pretty good match for the blue in the 4 & 5 color lozenge made by Americal and by Scalemaster. Then, even if the fit isn't perfect or some decal flakes off, you can hardly notice it. Mike Muth ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 238 *********************