WWI Digest 231 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) WWI Vet Dead at Age 103 by lfendy@firstsaga.com 2) DML by Alberto Rada 3) Re: DML by cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) 4) RE: DML by SDW@qld.mim.com.au 5) Re: DML by kwenker@interaccess.com (Kevin Wenker) 6) Re: DML by Joseph Gentile 7) 20 August 1916, Buc by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 8) Re: DML by Alberto Rada 9) Re: Mark IV color(s) -Reply by GRBroman@aol.com 10) Web site at the U.S. National Archives by "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" 11) Re: William Wellman by t_eisen@ix.netcom.com (Thomas Eisenhour) 12) ADV: Battle Hobbies website by jsthorn@mindspring.com (Jesse Thorn) 13) Re: William Wellman by "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" 14) Re: DML kits by cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) 15) Re: Mark IV color(s) by Charles_A._Duckworth@notes.up.com (Charles A. Duckworth) 16) Monday, 21 August 1916, Buc by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 17) Re: Mark IV color(s) -Reply -Reply by John Snyder ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 18:49:23 -0400 From: lfendy@firstsaga.com To: wwi Subject: WWI Vet Dead at Age 103 Message-ID: <199608202249.SAA04185@pease1.sr.unh.edu> For those interested in information on remaining WWI vets I read in my local newspaper that Geoffrey Dearmer, a veteran of WWI, who went on to become a poet died at the age of 103 in England. Cause of death was not given. He authored the poems "The Sentinel" and the "The Somme". Len _ QWicKeSST - The ultimate database QWK reader, and NO limits. #$678803 Special Compile: 1.032B (Beta) >> Slipstream Jet - The QWK solution for Usenets #$678803 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 19:25:42 -0400 (AST) From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: DML Message-ID: <199608202325.TAA01923@fw.true.net> I have been reading that DML will get out of aviation models altogether, can this beconfirmed ? , is the Camel not coming out after all this wait ? does this means the end of the Knightsof the Sky series ? anyone out there has any answers ? ( good ones please ) saludos alberto ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 96 19:48:16 EDT From: cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) To: wwi Subject: Re: DML Message-ID: <199608202348.TAA01920@conted.swann.gatech.edu> Alberto, I also have heard that DML is (very unfortunately) getting out of the aircraft business; it's going to concentrate apparently on--of all things--cars! However, the Camel is supposed to be realeased, and there's also the possibility that while no new kits will be produced, old molds will still be occasionally put to use. The WWI molds may not be in high demand, but there's always the chance that some other company will pick them up, too. Has anyone heard any recent information on this? BTW, I know of a source that has several of the DML 1/48 D.VIIs, D.VIIIs, and Dr.Is--without busts--for $13.50 each plus shipping. I'll post the details if anyone's interested. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: 21 Aug 96 09:52:00 EDT From: SDW@qld.mim.com.au To: wwi%pease1.sr.unh.edu@teksup.mim.com.au Subject: RE: DML Message-ID: <199608210014.KAA24115@mimmon.mim.com.au> Alberto, >I have been reading that DML will get out of aviation models altogether, >can this beconfirmed ? , >is the Camel not coming out after all this wait ? >does this means the end of the Knightsof the Sky series ? >anyone out there has any answers ? ( good ones please ) Unhappily, near enough to true. What Dragon have done is put the aircraft kits on "interval production" (Their own words, not mine) Instead of maintaining stock of each kit in the supply lines to your hobby shop, so that if you want one you can simply order it and eventually have it appear, they will produce selected kits from time to time, as other production schedules allow. I take this to mean that the aircraft kits will appear sporadically -so grab them when you can. Incidentally, 3 of 4 local hobby shops had "sales" to get rid of their stocks of Dragon aircraft kits, which are now rarely seen in these parts. HOWEVER, I believe that the Camel will still appear, though I can't recall my source and so may simply be unduly optimistic. No GOOD answers I'm afraid. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 19:06:29 -0500 From: kwenker@interaccess.com (Kevin Wenker) To: wwi Subject: Re: DML Message-ID: <199608210007.TAA06412@oxywhite.interaccess.com> Please DO post. I have 2 of the D VII's - would like one or 2 more. Kevin Wenker >Alberto, > I also have heard that DML is (very unfortunately) getting out >of the aircraft business; it's going to concentrate apparently on--of >all things--cars! However, the Camel is supposed to be realeased, and >there's also the possibility that while no new kits will be produced, >old molds will still be occasionally put to use. The WWI molds may not be >in high demand, but there's always the chance that some other company >will pick them up, too. Has anyone heard any recent information on >this? > BTW, I know of a source that has several of the DML 1/48 D.VIIs, >D.VIIIs, and Dr.Is--without busts--for $13.50 each plus shipping. I'll >post the details if anyone's interested. > Carlos > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 19:22:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Joseph Gentile To: wwi Subject: Re: DML Message-ID: <199608210022.TAA05883@Walden.MO.NET> At 07:48 PM 8/20/96 -0400, you wrote: >Alberto, > I also have heard that DML is (very unfortunately) getting out >of the aircraft business; it's going to concentrate apparently on--of >all things--cars! However, the Camel is supposed to be realeased, and >there's also the possibility that while no new kits will be produced, >old molds will still be occasionally put to use. The WWI molds may not be >in high demand, but there's always the chance that some other company >will pick them up, too. Has anyone heard any recent information on >this? > BTW, I know of a source that has several of the DML 1/48 D.VIIs, >D.VIIIs, and Dr.Is--without busts--for $13.50 each plus shipping. I'll >post the details if anyone's interested. > Carlos > >I'll take many of the DR I's as well as the DVII's. Please post as soon as possible. Joe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 20:24:42 -0700 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: 20 August 1916, Buc Message-ID: <321A817A.4189@host.dmsc.net> Fair day but too foggy in early a.m. for flying. Wrote letter to Ruth T. in a.m. Went to nice little road side inn near school in late a.m. for dinner. Feeling mighty lonely for dear Gertrude. I'd love to have Rivers come over for a short visit here. The trip would help his health a lot. Slept part of p.m. Flying in late p.m. and got three good flights. Made a fine landing the third time. Went into Buc for supper. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 00:23:45 -0400 (AST) From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: DML Message-ID: <199608210423.AAA06112@fw.true.net> At 07:48 PM 8/20/96 -0400, you wrote: >Alberto, > I also have heard that DML is (very unfortunately) getting out >of the aircraft business; it's going to concentrate apparently on--of >all things--cars! However, the Camel is supposed to be realeased, and >there's also the possibility that while no new kits will be produced, >old molds will still be occasionally put to use. The WWI molds may not be >in high demand, but there's always the chance that some other company >will pick them up, too. Has anyone heard any recent information on >this? > BTW, I know of a source that has several of the DML 1/48 D.VIIs, >D.VIIIs, and Dr.Is--without busts--for $13.50 each plus shipping. I'll >post the details if anyone's interested. > Carlos > Hola Carlos I am Saludos Alberto ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 07:06:17 -0400 From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Mark IV color(s) -Reply Message-ID: <960821070616_506466124@emout15.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 96-08-20 10:56:13 EDT, you write: >Again, remember that any color with a substantial amount of yellow (khaki, >and >perhaps even the bronze-green), photographed with the blue-sensitive >emulsions >of the day, will appear much darker than we are used to seeing with today's >panchromatic black and white films. > > So John, if the pictures I have indicate a light color, am I correct in assuming a shade of grey? I am not sure if you are alluding to the opinion that the early tanks were painted a brown rather than green shade. As I understand it, that info is based on written reference, not photographic. I am looking at some photos taken by a german pilot after the battle of Cambrai. To my untrained eye, one of the tanks looks to be a light color, although this could be dried mud, however, the color is uniform even in places that shouldn't get really muddy. The other is a captured tank, "Banshee" and the colors appear to be nearly as dark as the German Officers overcoats. Any thoughts? Thanks, Glen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 7:43:01 -0400 (EDT) From: "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" To: wwi Subject: Web site at the U.S. National Archives Message-ID: <960821074301.23a07daf@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU> Here it is, folks: The Gateway to Heaven, entree to more markings goodies than you could think of in your wildest dreams: Subject: Fwd: National Archives, Records Admin. homepage To: Multiple recipients of list CARR-L =================== Forwarded Message =================== Newsgroups: bit.listserv.govdoc-l Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 12:54:16 -0500 Sender: Discussion of Government Document Issues From: "Theodore J. Hull" Subject: Center for Electronic Records Homepage Announcement The Center for Electronic Records of the National Archives and Records Administration is pleased to announce the availability of our homepage. The homepage address is: http://www.nara.gov/nara/electronic The homepage eases access to information about the Center's holdings and services for researchers and Federal agencies. Please send any questions, comments, or criticisms to cer@nara.gov. Ted Hull Center for Electronic Records National Archives and Records Administration theodore.hull@arch2.nara.gov (301) 713-6645, ext. 253 * * * * * * * * * * * * * forwarded by Peter K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 05:35:12 -0700 From: t_eisen@ix.netcom.com (Thomas Eisenhour) To: wwi Subject: Re: William Wellman Message-ID: <199608211235.FAA08450@dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com> Bill wrote: >[Wellman was] Not with the Escadrille, per se, but with the Lafayette >Flying Corps. . . Could someone explain the difference between the two? -- Tom Eisenhour t_eisen@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 09:19:54 -0400 From: jsthorn@mindspring.com (Jesse Thorn) To: wwi Subject: ADV: Battle Hobbies website Message-ID: Check out Battle Hobbies website at http://www.battlehobbies.com Sorry for the commercial interruption, but I know a lot of you folks surf the Squadron Mailorder site. --Jesse ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 9:41:20 -0400 (EDT) From: "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" To: wwi Subject: Re: William Wellman Message-ID: <960821094120.23a05e70@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU> In a nutshell: The Lafayette Flying Corps was the overall organization that many Americans joined -- and from which they were assigned to a variety of units (fighter, bomber, etc.). ONE unit (first N.124 and then Spa.124 -- depending on the aircraft assigned) was called the Lafayette Escadrille. When transferred to U.S. command, it became the 103rd Aero Squadron. PK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Aug 96 9:55:46 EDT From: cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) To: wwi Subject: Re: DML kits Message-ID: <199608211355.JAA02838@conted.swann.gatech.edu> Guys, Here's the lowdown: the kits are available from Model Warehouse, Smyrna (that's Atlanta for all prectical purposes), GA: phone: 770 333-7987 fax: 770 435-0323 e-mail: ModelWhse@aol.com The person to ask for is Mike, and this place does take credit cards and do mail orders (you can also walk in if you're in the area). Hours are, I believe, 9 to 5 including Saturdays, but Mike won't be around then. I just talked to Mike, and he said he had the following available: 2 Triplanes 10 D.VIIs 3 D.VIIIs 1 Spad Please note that there are no "busted" kits among these. Price should still be $13.50 plus shipping (and tax if you're in-state). Tell Mike you heard this from me, just in case. Good luck and good modeling. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 08:58:19 -0500 From: Charles_A._Duckworth@notes.up.com (Charles A. Duckworth) To: wwi Cc: Jack_Mueller@notes.up.com (Jack Mueller) Subject: Re: Mark IV color(s) Message-ID: <1996Aug21.065705.1155.597148@uprr-internet.notes.up.com> A friend here at work just brought me in two slides he took in the Royal Army Museum in Brussels, Belgium of a Mark IV. Given the weathering and faded number on side of the tank (4093) I believe this is original paint, which is a medium brown color, the interior (no surprise) is white. Also the collection included a battle damaged Whippet. As a side note, none of the artillery or tanks had been restored (repainted) and looked as they did in 1918. Scale Link, in correspondence with Jack Mueller (a WWI armor modeler), commented that the Bronze Green was a pre-war color (1914) and this is the color of the artillery, wagons, etc that the BEF went to France with in 1914, but the equipment was repainted brown and brown was a standard equipment color throughout the war. Scale Link is a British model company that has a large line of 1914-1918 white metal soldiers, artillery pieces, FT-17 and Mark IV in 1/32 scale. If anyone has additional information, I'd appreciate their comments; I took a photo of the Mark IV on the floor of the Imperial War museum six years ago and it was painted a dark green - does anyone know if the museum matched the original paint when this tank was rebuild - I seem to remember that the side sponsons were fabricated from wood as the originals were missing. Usually the British are quite accurate in their restorations and maybe the dark green was also in use by the time the Mark IV's were introduced at Cambrai. I await the comments/editorial opinions... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 10:17:51 -0700 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Monday, 21 August 1916, Buc Message-ID: <321B44BF.7D2F@host.dmsc.net> Good day but too windy in early a.m. for flying. Slept a lot in a.m. Washed clothes & took bath in p.m. Also played poker with some of the fellows a while. Out for working in late p.m. but only went up twice. Got too dark for more. Asked to be allowed to do the required hour at 2000 metres with the 60 hp Bleriot tho my Chief Pilot refused me. Mighty disappointed because it would help me lots to do it. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 07:49:36 -0800 From: John Snyder To: wwi Subject: Re: Mark IV color(s) -Reply -Reply Message-ID: Glen: Hard to say for sure without seeing the photos. The light-colored tank could indeed be a gray, perhaps one with a good bit of blue in it. How does it compare to the tone of the sky in the photo? As for the dark tank, well.... I'm going to have to show my ignorance of the land war and ask the color of German officers' overcoats. John >>> 08/21/96 03:10am >>> >>So John, if the pictures I have indicate a light color, am I correct in assuming a shade of grey? I am not sure if you are alluding to the opinion that the early tanks were painted a brown rather than green shade. As I understand it, that info is based on written reference, not photographic. I am looking at some photos taken by a german pilot after the battle of Cambrai. To my untrained eye, one of the tanks looks to be a light color, although this could be dried mud, however, the color is uniform even in places that shouldn't get really muddy. The other is a captured tank, "Banshee" and the colors appear to be nearly as dark as the German Officers overcoats. Any thoughts? Thanks, Glen>> ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 231 *********************