WWI Digest 230 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Lafayette Escadrille pondering by meba@cso.com 2) Books of interest by meba@cso.com 3) Re: Books of interest by Charles_A._Duckworth@notes.up.com (Charles A. Duckworth) 4) more Books of interest by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 5) Re: more Books of interest by meba@cso.com 6) Re: more Books of interest by cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) 7) Over the Front by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 8) RE:Re: Meikraft Lloyd Triplane by CANNIZZARO Andre (Tel +1-214-7168553) 9) Re: William Wellman by bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 10) RE: Books of interest by "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" 11) OTF Index by bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 12) Latest from Rosemont by bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 13) RE: Over the Front by "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" 14) RE: OTF Index by "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" 15) Re: OTF Index by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 16) Re: Over the Front by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 17) Re: OTF Index by cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) 18) Re: OTF by cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) 19) Re: OTF Index by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 20) Re: OTF Index by "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" 21) German PuW Bombs by "Shelley Goodwin" 22) OVER THE FRONT back issues by "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" 23) Re: Mother, was Worst Kit by GRBroman@aol.com 24) Re: worst WWI kit by GRBroman@aol.com 25) Re: Mark IV color(s) by GRBroman@aol.com 26) Re: William Wellman by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 27) RE:Re: Meikraft Lloyd Triplane by breuer@itz-koeln.de (Dietmar Breuer) 28) Re: SMS Wolf by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 29) Old Cross & Cockade Journals by lothar@ncw.net (mark) 30) Re: OTF by meba@cso.com 31) Re: Latest from Rosemont by meba@cso.com 32) Re: German PuW Bombs by meba@cso.com 33) Re: Blue Rider DH 9 by Charles_A._Duckworth@notes.up.com (Charles A. Duckworth) 34) Re: Mark IV color(s) -Reply by John Snyder ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 12:14:01 -0500 From: meba@cso.com To: WW1 Modelers Subject: Lafayette Escadrille pondering Message-ID: <199608191211.MAA28278@cso.com> While going through _Lafayette Escadrille Pilot Biographies_, on page 93, William Thaw and Charles Johnson are standing in front of what appears to be some type of BE-type aircraft. Anybody have any clues/ideas? Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 12:54:38 -0500 From: meba@cso.com To: WW1 Modelers Subject: Books of interest Message-ID: <199608191252.MAA01336@cso.com> Found a couple of sale books at Barnes & Noble people on the list might be interested in. First is _The U-Boat War 1914-1918_. This deals with the German side of the unterseeboot wars. (Does anybody know if models exist of WW1 German U-Boats?) Cost of this is $9.98. The other is _Zeppelins of World War 1_ by Cross. Not the best book, but at $5.98, a relative steel. Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 13:10:21 -0500 From: Charles_A._Duckworth@notes.up.com (Charles A. Duckworth) To: wwi Subject: Re: Books of interest Message-ID: <1996Aug19.110913.1155.593263@uprr-internet.notes.up.com> The 'U-boat 1914-1918 is a good book for the money and was also at the Barnes & Noble store this weekend in Ladue (St. Louis). They also had 'Defeat of Imperial Germany' which is a good book on our period/interest. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 12:55:03 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: more Books of interest Message-ID: Matt contributed: >Found a couple of sale books at Barnes & Noble people on the list >might be interested in. > >First is _The U-Boat War 1914-1918_. This deals with the German side >of the unterseeboot wars. (Does anybody know if models exist of WW1 >German U-Boats?) Cost of this is $9.98. > >The other is _Zeppelins of World War 1_ by Cross. Not the best book, >but at $5.98, a relative steel. > I spotted at a local Barnes & Noble (as well as in a couple of other bookstores) copies of the book "Hindenburg", a huge coffee table strainer of a book, beautifully produced, excellent color artwork in it. In addition to documenting the most famous of all Zeppelins, this book gives a very readable history of rigid airship development, including good documentation of airships in WW I. The original price was $60.00, it is now available for $19.95. Well worth the price. Also of interest are a few items I found in a Scholar's Bookshelf catalog received last week. They list the following: "Bloody April, Black September" by Franks, Guest & Bailey, $29.95, down from $39.95 (haven't seen this, list comments ?) "Richtofen, beyond the legend of the Red Baron" by P. Kilduff (anybody ever heard of this guy ??, he he he) paperback, $14.95 down from $17.95 On video there is a Nazi propaganda film from 1935, titled "Wunder des fliegens" which features aerobatic flying by Ernst Udet, sale price $29.95 Address for Scholar's Bookshelf is: 110 Melrich Rd., Cranbury NJ 08512, FAX # 609-395-0755 Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 14:00:16 -0500 From: meba@cso.com To: wwi Subject: Re: more Books of interest Message-ID: <199608191358.NAA07446@cso.com> On 19 Aug 96 at 14:49, Charles Hart typed diligantly: > I spotted at a local Barnes & Noble (as well as in a couple of other Shoot. New I would forget this. Also at B&N was _Canvas Falcons_ for, I think, $7.98. Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 96 16:04:24 EDT From: cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) To: wwi Subject: Re: more Books of interest Message-ID: <199608192004.QAA28967@conted.swann.gatech.edu> Charles, I highly recommend "Bloody April. . . Black September" to anyone interested in WWI air-to-air combat. It contains day-by-day accounts of the air action over the Western Front during the two titled months. Very detailed, and very informative. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 16:15:34 -0700 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Over the Front Message-ID: <3218F596.16D7@host.dmsc.net> Just received my first two issues of Over the Front. I must say, I am completely knocked out by the quality of the photos, paintings and the production quality generally. These mags are like high-quality, large-format paperbacks, about a hundred pages each, with SEWN bindings. Very classy-- and less than $10 an issue-- which is cheaper than you will find comparable photo or art books anywhere. I just wish there were other WWI periodicals of this caliber. Bradley ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 22:01:00 +0100 From: CANNIZZARO Andre (Tel +1-214-7168553) To: wwi (Receipt Notification Requested) (Non Receipt Notification Requested) Subject: RE:Re: Meikraft Lloyd Triplane Message-ID: >pulling the plug I think we all agree that Meikraft's business practices are unethical and that postal fraud is a felony. I have a proposal. Those of us who have been "suckered" by Meikraft sign a a petition stating two key issues: 1) Make good on your commitments or we rat on you, and 2) If you sell the Lloyd Tripe to hobby shops or anybody else who did'nt join your "exclusive club," we rat on you (this should make the Lloyd rare and worth some money). Andrew andre.cannizzaro@usa2414.wins.icl.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 19:19:07 -0400 (EDT) From: bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: William Wellman Message-ID: <199608192319.TAA05552@ns1.ptd.net> At 08:40 AM 8/19/96 -0400, Thomas Eisenhour wrote: >Last Saturday, the American Movie Channel ran a bio of director William >Wellman. Although you may not recognize his name you may remember his >films, including _Beau Geste_, _The Ox-bow Incident_, _A Star is Born_, >_Yellow Sky_, and _Lafayette Escadrille_. According to the bio, >_Escadrille_ was semi-autobiographical. Anybody have any info on >whether he WAS in the Lafayette Escadrille (or the USAS)? Wellman was in the Lafayette Flying Corps and served with N. 87. Their nickname was "The Black Cats". No big surprise that their Nieuports and some SPADs used a black cat with an arched back as its insignia. Sometimes a white cat was used depending on the camo scheme. There's a great article in Over The Front, Spring 88 written by Jon Guttman about the Escadrille and the markings on the planes, including Wellman's. To briefly summarize(whoops, I guess that is being redundant) Wellman joined N. 87 on Dec. 3, 1917. First plane was a N. 27 in 5-color camo. w/his mother's name CELIA in black letters below the cockpit. Next was a N. 24, all silver, on which appeared CELIA II. Celia III was wrecked following a dogfight on Jan. 20, 1918. Celia IV was natural linen with a black cat marking, and accoroding to Wellman 1 Vickers and 2 Lewis!!!!! CELIA V was a N. 24 in sliver finish with a black cat and a black # 10 on the fuselage. Wellman was shot down in CELIA V on March 18, 1918, by Archie. His injuries were serious enough to stop his flying career. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 19:32:36 -0400 (EDT) From: "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" To: wwi Subject: RE: Books of interest Message-ID: <960819193236.23450da9@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU> Matt, et al: _Zeppelins of World War I_ is DUD. I ordered one at the "steal" price and sent it back. Best book on the subject (and still available_ is _The Zeppelin in Comabt_ by Douglas Robinson. Better to spend a few extra bucks than get the cheap-o. Peter Kilduff ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 19:37:09 -0400 (EDT) From: bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: OTF Index Message-ID: <199608192337.TAA11087@ns1.ptd.net> I guess this is mostly for Peter, but may be of some interest to others on the list. When I read the first posting on Wellman, I knew I had read something in OTF. If then took awhile to go through all the volumes until I found the article. When I re-upped last year, I volunteered(a dangerous thing to do, I suppose) to help with an index. Haven't heard anything, although at the Seminar in DC I did hear that a committee had been formed. The only knock I've heard against OTF (and this was at a local chapter meeting) was that it can be a tad insular with regard to articles. The request in the membership renewal is a good sign that this is changing. Hopefully the committee will be contacting the rest of us who volunteered. Anyway, I can't help but question the sanity of someone on this list who isn't a member. The articles are great and the recent addition of Alan Durkota's column A League of Modelers is just what this list is about. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 19:40:38 -0400 (EDT) From: bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Latest from Rosemont Message-ID: <199608192340.TAA12180@ns1.ptd.net> I stopped by Rosemont last Friday on my way home from vacation. The next kit will be a vac of the lighter used by RNAS to launch the Camels. I got a chance to look at the molds, and the detail for the wooden planking looks good to me.(Then again, remember I'm the guy who thought the Glencoe Albatros looked pretty good when I first saw it.) I think it is 1/72 and will have some resin parts. No idea when it will be available or for how much. Next up will be another balloon based on some plans that Brian sent Barry. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 19:44:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" To: wwi Subject: RE: Over the Front Message-ID: <960819194431.23450da9@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU> Thanks for the plug, Bradley. The OTF staff (ALL volunteers) try hard to produce the best journal possible. By the way, does this mean you're going write articles for us???? And re: a question raised in this group a few days ago: yes, OTF is definitely modeler-friendly. Most of us started out as kit-bashers and have many bruised and Solva-set soaked fingers to attest to our efforts. And, don't forget: I will send (absoluely free!!!) an OTF brochure to the first million people who send me a snail-mail address. Is that a deal or what? Peter Kilduff e-mail: kilduff @ccsua.ctstateu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 19:51:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" To: wwi Subject: RE: OTF Index Message-ID: <960819195119.23450da9@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU> To Mike Muth, et al.: Yes, OTF has a committee working on indices. I'll send a special message to OTF Kommandeur der Flieger, Jim Streckfuss, re: Mike's offer to help. Will report back. Peter Kilduff ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 20:04:38 -0700 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Re: OTF Index Message-ID: <32192B46.774@host.dmsc.net> PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791 wrote: > > To Mike Muth, et al.: > > Yes, OTF has a committee working on indices. I'll send a special > message to OTF Kommandeur der Flieger, Jim Streckfuss, re: Mike's offer > to help. > Will report back. > > Peter Kilduff Does this mean back issues are available? I thought I gave my 2 issues a pretty thorough perusal, but found no info on ordering back issues. If they are generally available, and if an index comes out, and if there's much on the Escadrille Lafayette, I am prepared (now get this!) to drop some BIG BUCKS! Bradley ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 20:11:10 -0700 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Re: Over the Front Message-ID: <32192CCE.3F42@host.dmsc.net> PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791 wrote: > > Thanks for the plug, Bradley. The OTF staff (ALL volunteers) try > hard to produce the best journal possible. > By the way, does this mean you're going write articles for us???? Maybe, just maybe. I'm trying to finish up a couple of WWI articles on the Marines-- and I recently acquired a bunch of original-- though mostly mediocre-- photos taken by the 278th Observation Squadron in late '18, early '19-- including a long run of aerial recon photos. If I can get anywhere researching them, it might make an article. As for my modeling skills, well...... that's another story. --Bradley ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 96 20:24:44 EDT From: cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) To: wwi Subject: Re: OTF Index Message-ID: <199608200024.UAA29387@conted.swann.gatech.edu> Bradley, After joining the League this year I got several back issues by writing to the Membership Secretary, Dick Bennett, at The League of WWI Aviation Historians P.O. Box 2475 Rockford, IL 61132-2475 Complete volumes go for $42 and individual issues for $10.50, postpaid. However, the following individual issues are not available: Vol3 #1 Vol4 #4 Vol5 #2 Vol6 #3 Vol7 #s1 & 4 Vol8 #2 Vol9 #s2 & 3 Now all you need is an index (not yet available!). HTH. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 96 20:26:14 EDT From: cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) To: wwi Subject: Re: OTF Message-ID: <199608200026.UAA29397@conted.swann.gatech.edu> Peter, BTW, when is the next issue coming out? Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 20:46:16 -0700 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Re: OTF Index Message-ID: <32193508.2B49@host.dmsc.net> Carlos Valdes wrote: > > Bradley, > After joining the League this year I got several back issues by > writing to the Membership Secretary, Dick Bennett, at > > The League of WWI Aviation Historians > P.O. Box 2475 > Rockford, IL 61132-2475 > > Complete volumes go for $42 and individual issues for $10.50, postpaid. > However, the following individual issues are not available: > > Vol3 #1 > Vol4 #4 > Vol5 #2 > Vol6 #3 > Vol7 #s1 & 4 > Vol8 #2 > Vol9 #s2 & 3 > > Now all you need is an index (not yet available!). HTH. > > Carlos Thanks Carlos! Can anyone tell me offhand in which issues there are articles about the Escadrille Lafayette, or Lafayette Flying Corps? --Bradley ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 21:04:50 -0400 (EDT) From: "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" To: wwi Subject: Re: OTF Index Message-ID: <960819210450.2344e926@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU> To Bradley, et al.: Yes, best kept secret in the universe is that back issues are available (@ $42 per). Please contact: Business Manager League of WW I Aviation Historians P.O. Box 2475 Rockford, IL 61132-0475 for list of available back issues. (Actual person is Dick Bennett, whose e-mail address escapes me at the moment -- stay tuned, fans!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 96 18:10:34 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: German PuW Bombs Message-ID: <9607198405.AA840503410@mx.Ricochet.net> Those of you out there modelling any of the Grossfleugzeuge might be interested to know that the Polish company Pelta/R.P.M. offers a set of "Bomby polskie" PuW bombs in 1/72. They come in halves for some reason and are in 50, 100 & 300 kg sizes. Paper fin patterns are included which should make suitable templates for .005 fletching. For only a sawbuck, this set will save anybody sweating out a Gotha, AEG or Friedrichschafen a bit of whittling. The kit # is 72-1001/106 Have Fun... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 21:21:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" To: wwi Subject: OVER THE FRONT back issues Message-ID: <960819212149.2344e926@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU> FYI, for folks impatient with snail mail, OTF membership info (back issues, etc.) can be obtained from Dick Bennett: 104635.1603@COMPUSERVE.COM or: Membership Secretary League of WW I Aviation Historians P.O. Box 2475 Rockford, IL 61132-0475, U.S.A. Peter K. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 21:55:38 -0400 From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Mother, was Worst Kit Message-ID: <960819215537_460504818@emout19.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 96-08-19 08:48:15 EDT, you write: >Hey, Glen, why didn't I know about this? I'm about ready to re-add >those rivets I sanded off with the conversion, then it will be >painted. What color and brand paint did you use? For dear old Mother I am using Aeromaster Gunship grey. Nice paint, covers well and takes light years to dry. BUT, once it dries (3-4 days) I can use my favorite enamel thinner wash technique. Next will be a production Mark I from the Somme. I plan to add grenade screens and the wacky camo scheme. I need to do alittle more work before I decide on the colors. I am thinking about doing some research on WW I tank colors. I have found some interesting stuff in the Rock Island Arsenal museum. It will take shape as an article more than likely. I also used Gunship Grey on the Tadpole. For variuos reasons I decided this was the most likely color for the vehicle I chose to model. It looks good right now. The base and detail painting is done, the track and hull initial wash is done and now comes the first drybrushing followed by the second (mud and dirt wash) a final light drybrushing and just a hint of pastel chalk weathering to taste. shouldn't take more than a year or two to finish. :) The Tadpole review and pictures should be in the next IPMS Journal. One of them has an Airfix Mark IV conversion next to it to give an idea of scale, hope that picture makes it in. Glen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 21:55:43 -0400 From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: worst WWI kit Message-ID: <960819215542_460504877@emout17.mail.aol.com> On the subject of worst WW I kits, I recently bought the Blue Rider DH9 conversion. It looks like the white metal parts are nice and the decal sheet is great, but I have some concerns about that blob of plastic they call the injection molded conversion. Has anyone built this? I want to build the two seater. The instructions should say " here, take this plan and this chunk of plastic and make it look like the picture.....I dare ya. All kidding aside, any tips would be appreciated. The DH9 was such a cool plane. Glen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 21:55:48 -0400 From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Mark IV color(s) Message-ID: <960819215548_460504957@emout10.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 96-08-19 11:16:46 EDT, you write: >I'm wondering if anyone on the list has seen any references to Mark IV's >being >painted in any other scheme than Bronze >Green. - thanks Well, I have one reference that a tanker mentions his tank was painted grey on the eve of Cambrai. The early Mark I's were certainly painted in the attack of the post-modern, revisionist, "whats left in the paint locker?", I should like to be an artist in civvy street camo scheme. Conventional wisdom for many years was that an olive drab was the most likely color, howevre, recent research at Bovington and other places seems to indicate that a brown khaki shade was the actual color. When I was researching my Mark VIII article, I seem to recall finding refernce to a brown shade used by the North British Locomotive Works to paint the few Mark VIII actually completed in Britain. I plan on looking in to this a little more deeply, but I have not yet seen or heard of any Bronze green shade. I did get some unpublished photos taken during Cambrai and I had them re-copied, one has a strange doppled effect but I need to look at the photos to see if they prove helpful. The rest appear to be one color. Well, that should muddy the waters a bit. Glen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 20:00:12 -0700 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: William Wellman Message-ID: <199608200300.AA25683@ednet1.orednet.org> > >Last Saturday, the American Movie Channel ran a bio of director William >Wellman. Although you may not recognize his name you may remember his >films, including _Beau Geste_, _The Ox-bow Incident_, _A Star is Born_, >_Yellow Sky_, and _Lafayette Escadrille_. According to the bio, >_Escadrille_ was semi-autobiographical. Anybody have any info on >whether he WAS in the Lafayette Escadrille (or the USAS)? Not with the Escadrille, per se, but with the Lafayette Flying Corps, serving with N.87 from June '17 until March '18 when he was invalided out. I've no information on just why he was invalided out, whether wounds, injuries, illness or just what. Cheers, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 07:44:16 +0100 (WET DST) From: breuer@itz-koeln.de (Dietmar Breuer) To: wwi Subject: RE:Re: Meikraft Lloyd Triplane Message-ID: <199608200644.HAA03268@ns.itz-koeln.de> Andrew wrote: > >I have a proposal. Those of us who have been "suckered" by Meikraft sign a >a petition stating two key issues: 1) Make good on your commitments or we= rat >on you, and 2) If you sell the Lloyd Tripe to hobby shops or anybody else= who=20 >did'nt join your "exclusive club," we rat on you (this should make the= Lloyd=20 >rare and worth some money). For the second point, on saturday my favourite hobby-shop had some 4 Meikraft Capronis and at least one Meicraft Lloyd. They had no prices yet, because they arrived on Friday, so I was not able to buy them. But I reserved one Caproni and one Lloyd. The shop-owner told me he ordered and pre-paid the kits some years ago. Dietmar ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- Dietmar Breuer =20 Informationstechnik-Zentrum K=F6ln Eupener Stra=DFe 150 50933 K=F6ln Tel: 0221 - 49707 24 =20 Fax: 0221 - 49707 12 EMail: breuer@itz-koeln.de =20 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 00:12:27 -0700 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: SMS Wolf Message-ID: <199608200712.AA17100@ednet1.orednet.org> Mick diligently typed: > The name of which, BTW, was "W"olfchen"... That's 'Wolfchen' with the umlaut over the 'O'; actually painted on the rear fuselage. Aircraft number was 841 painted in quite large numbers between the Eisenkruz und the 'Wolfchen' inscription. The Eisenkruz was a quite strange design - outlined with a thin black line around the entirety of the Eisenkruz but no white surround to the crosses at all. However, apparently the Eisenkruz, the aircraft number and the 'Wolfchen' inscription were added -after- the ship's return to Germany - during the actual voyage itself, -no- markings at all were carried as near as I can determine. Cheers, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 00:59:55 -0700 From: lothar@ncw.net (mark) To: wwi Subject: Old Cross & Cockade Journals Message-ID: <199608200759.AAA25929@bing.ncw.net> Greetings All - Just thought I'd put in a plug for Peter Kilduff and his efforts to find new homes for several of his old Cross & Cockade Journals (i.e., the predecessor of Over The Front). There are some real jewels in some of these old issues - to wit, just last week I received the four issues of Vol. 11, dating from 1970, in which there is some incredible stuff, e.g.: - A great photo essay on the Russian flying school at Odessa, with a first hand narrative by the pilot who took the pictures (Alexander Riaboff, who later immigrated to the U.S. and became a lawyer in San Francisco). - An outstanding photo essay covering the Halberstadt D series fighters, most of the photos I've never seen before. An excellent reference for that Czechmasters resin kit - when it shows up one of these years... - An article on the Germans ill-fated attempt to use transparent Cellon as a covering for aircraft. The photos clearly show why the idea was abandoned - in cloudy weather, the cellon was just as opaque as any other fabric, and in clear skies it reflected sunlight so much that pilots were nearly blinded by it. - A one of a kind, lengthy, three part article on the history of the Ottoman Air Force, written by the late Brian P. Flanagan. According to Peter, this may be the <> reference work ever done on the subject, at least that he knows of. It is based primarily on the official history of the Turkish air force (Turk Havacilik Tarihi), as well as the reports of Major Erich Serno, a German pilot who was the commander of the Ottoman air arm during most of the war. Serno's journals first came to light in the late 60's, when a C&C Journal reader (August Quoos) who had actually served in Mesopotamia (Iraq) got back in touch with an old squadron mate living in Germany (Hans Hattendorf), who then contacted Serno's widow, inquiring if Serno had left behind any memorabilia of his time in Turkey. The journals were found, and passed on to Flanagan. It's a fascinating story, how Serno and his erstwhile native sidekick, Yuzbashi Shakir Feyzi (the first pilot to ever attempt bombing the Suez Canal) set about to organize, equip, train, and send into battle a modern air force - in a country whose industry and transportation infrastructure was 100 years behind the rest of Europe. The conditions that the German and Turkish pilots & crews faced makes even the most wretched outpost on the Western Front seem like fat city in comparison; in addition to desert heat, tropical diseases, marauding Bedouins, and combat itself, supplies and equipment were always in short supply. Most resupplying was done via ox-carts and camel caravans due to inadequate or non-existent rail transport. Air operations were sometimes suspended simply due to a lack of fuel. Nevertheless, they succeeded in fielding 17 land based and 4 seaplane squadrons, referred to in German documents as "Fliegerabteilungen" and in Turkish documents as "Tayyare Boluk", between 1915 and the wars end. This does not include the 5 Jastas (300, 301, 302, 303, and 304b) sent to Palestine in 1917, which remained under German command. For the most part, it was a two-seater, bombing and reconnaisance air war. Air to air combat was apparently infrequent until late 1917, when the RFC brought in Brisfits and SE5a's. Until that time, the Turks more or less maintained air superiority, but lost it rather quickly after the introduction of superior British aircraft (the best Germany could spare for it's ally were the Alb. DIII and Halberstadt DV). For modelling purposes, the article contains some interesting - and definitely unusual - photo references, mostly for the Alb. CIII, DII and DIII, AEG CIV, and Halberstadt DV. If anyone's interested in copies, just let me know. All for now.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 07:06:23 -0500 From: meba@cso.com To: wwi Subject: Re: OTF Message-ID: <199608200703.HAA10004@cso.com> On 19 Aug 96 at 20:25, Carlos Valdes typed diligantly: > BTW, when is the next issue coming out? Yea, the one that Greg VW is working on...;-) Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 07:05:32 -0500 From: meba@cso.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Latest from Rosemont Message-ID: <199608200703.HAA09959@cso.com> On 19 Aug 96 at 19:39, Mary-Ann/Michael typed diligantly: > I stopped by Rosemont last Friday on my way home from vacation. > The next kit will be a vac of the lighter used by RNAS to launch > the Camels. I got a chance to look at the molds, and the detail for > the wooden planking looks good to me.(Then again, remember I'm the > guy who thought the Glencoe Albatros looked pretty good when I > first saw it.) I think it is 1/72 and will have some resin parts. > No idea when it will be available or for how much. Next up will be > another balloon based on some plans that Brian sent Barry. I talked to Barry yesterday, and it sounds like it's just a matter of time before the lighter is out. The Brit balloon will probably be out sometime after that. Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 07:09:20 -0500 From: meba@cso.com To: wwi Subject: Re: German PuW Bombs Message-ID: <199608200707.HAA10193@cso.com> On 19 Aug 96 at 21:11, Shelley Goodwin typed diligantly: > Those of you out there modelling any of the Grossfleugzeuge > might be interested to know that the Polish company Pelta/R.P.M. > offers a set of "Bomby polskie" PuW bombs in 1/72. They come in > halves for some reason and are in 50, 100 & 300 kg sizes. Paper fin > patterns are included which should make suitable templates for .005 > fletching. > For only a sawbuck, this set will save anybody sweating out a Gotha, > AEG or Friedrichschafen a bit of whittling. The kit # is 72-1001/106 >From where can we obtain these items? Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 07:24:08 -0500 From: Charles_A._Duckworth@notes.up.com (Charles A. Duckworth) To: wwi Subject: Re: Blue Rider DH 9 Message-ID: <1996Aug20.052331.1155.594622@uprr-internet.notes.up.com> I built this conversion several years ago and found it to go rather 'easy' (loose term - easy depends on the phase of the moon when I model). I remember that I wet/dry sanded the ring for the MG down and one needs to lengthen the undercarriage struts vs. using the original Airfix DH4's. I finished mine as the one shown in Ed Ferko's book that was shot down by Stark's group. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 07:46:51 -0800 From: John Snyder To: wwi Subject: Re: Mark IV color(s) -Reply Message-ID: Again, remember that any color with a substantial amount of yellow (khaki, and perhaps even the bronze-green), photographed with the blue-sensitive emulsions of the day, will appear much darker than we are used to seeing with today's panchromatic black and white films. John Snyder jsnyder@trmx3.dot.ca.gov >>> 08/19/96 05:56pm >>> In a message dated 96-08-19 11:16:46 EDT, you write: >I'm wondering if anyone on the list has seen any references to Mark IV's >being >painted in any other scheme than Bronze >Green. - thanks Well, I have one reference that a tanker mentions his tank was painted grey on the eve of Cambrai. The early Mark I's were certainly painted in the attack of the post-modern, revisionist, "whats left in the paint locker?", I should like to be an artist in civvy street camo scheme. Conventional wisdom for many years was that an olive drab was the most likely color, howevre, recent research at Bovington and other places seems to indicate that a brown khaki shade was the actual color. When I was researching my Mark VIII article, I seem to recall finding refernce to a brown shade used by the North British Locomotive Works to paint the few Mark VIII actually completed in Britain. I plan on looking in to this a little more deeply, but I have not yet seen or heard of any Bronze green shade. I did get some unpublished photos taken during Cambrai and I had them re-copied, one has a strange doppled effect but I need to look at the photos to see if they prove helpful. The rest appear to be one color. Well, that should muddy the waters a bit. Glen ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 230 *********************