WWI Digest 229 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Antidote for computer virus is available & free (read on): by "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" 2) Hobby Expo 96 by Alberto Rada 3) I'm alive I think by BILL BACON 4) RE: Off topic ponderment by meba@cso.com 5) Re: Rampant Virus loose on Web by meba@cso.com 6) Re: Rosemont Nieuport 11 by meba@cso.com 7) Re: Rampant Virus loose on Web by Charles_A._Duckworth@notes.up.com (Charles A. Duckworth) 8) Re: Rosemont Nieuport 11 by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 9) 19 August 1916, Paris, Buc by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 10) Re: Meikraft Lloyd Triplane by meba@cso.com 11) RE:Meikraft Lloyd Triplane by meba@cso.com 12) Re:worst WWI kit by meba@cso.com 13) William Wellman by t_eisen@ix.netcom.com (Thomas Eisenhour) 14) Re: Mother, was Worst Kit by meba@cso.com 15) Re: William Wellman by meba@cso.com 16) RE: William Wellman by "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" 17) Chapman, revisited by meba@cso.com 18) Re: Chapman, revisited by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 19) Re: Chapman, revisited by meba@cso.com 20) Re: Hobby Expo 96 by Joseph Gentile 21) Rampant Virus loose on Web -Reply by John Snyder 22) Re: Mark IV color(s) by Charles_A._Duckworth@notes.up.com (Charles A. Duckworth) 23) Re: Mark IV color(s) -Reply by John Snyder 24) NASM Paul Garber Facility by Brian Nicklas 25) Re: Meikraft Lloyd Triplane by "Randy J. Ray" 26) Re: Meikraft Lloyd Triplane by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 27) Re: Meikraft Lloyd Triplane by Rob 28) Re: Meikraft Lloyd Triplane by meba@cso.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 17:27:15 -0400 (EDT) From: "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" To: wwi Subject: Antidote for computer virus is available & free (read on): Message-ID: <960818172715.23458e06@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU> To: Multiple recipients of list CARR-L >On Sun, 18 Aug 1996 07:10:55 -0700 Elisabeth Roche said: >>The people at F-prot have written a program that will kill the Hare virus. >>They are offering it free by download from their website. >>I'm not exactly sure what the url for their page is, but a quick netsearch >>should find it. Most likely www.f-prot.com, say what? F-Prot, written by an Icelander, is available in the US at several simtel sites, including: ftp://ftp.simtel.net/pub/msdos/virus/ The program is freeware, absolutely free for individual, private users, and I use it along with a licensed copy of McAfee's antivirus program. Get it in zipped form at the site above or the one below. It's fp-223.zip. If you'd rather start from a website, access: http://www.simtel.net.pub/msdos/virus/ Don't let "msdos" in the URL put you off. Installed as a DOS program, it protects Windows and Windows apps too. I've modified my CONFIG.SYS abd AUTOEXEC.BAT files so both F-Prot and McAfee's VirusScan start when I boot my system. Lee Hickling ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 20:13:00 -0400 (AST) From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Hobby Expo 96 Message-ID: <199608190013.UAA18637@fw.true.net> A friend and fellow modeler is traveling to St. Louis MI and would like to know the address of the Verlinder's museum, that we believe is nearby, also where could we find some information on the Hobby Expo 96 at St. Louis on Sep. 8/9 , can some one give me a tip. Thanks a lot Saludos Alberto ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 23:33:34 -0500 From: BILL BACON To: wwi Subject: I'm alive I think Message-ID: <3217EE9E.1D81@netjava.net> To all My machine has been down for it seems like forever. While it was down, my provider decided to go only commercial accounts and transferred me to another provider (much better deal and service) but he flushed my mailbox. He is forwarding new mail fior three months which helps. Matt, your package arrive in fine shape and thanks. No problem at all. To others I sent stuff to, did you get it OK? If not let me know. It was sent regular mail. My new e-mail address is wbaco@netjava.net. Al, how am Igoing to unsubscribe from my old address. I will resubscribe using my new address. TIA Bill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 06:41:26 -0500 From: meba@cso.com To: wwi Subject: RE: Off topic ponderment Message-ID: <199608190639.GAA25578@cso.com> On 17 Aug 96 at 7:56, Mick Fauchon typed diligantly: > > On 31 Jul 96 at 18:19, Erik Pilawskii typed diligantly: > > > > > ...I figure that will last about 24 hrs. until I'm deleted, and > > > anonymous posts are blocked. Then, I'll subscribe under Matt's > > > name...! > > > > "...and like a god you will become..." > > > No, no, no........"On thy belly shalt thou crawl, and dust shalt > thou eat all the days of thy life....." > > > That one almost got past me.......80) Putz!! ;-) Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 06:56:15 -0500 From: meba@cso.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Rampant Virus loose on Web Message-ID: <199608190654.GAA26735@cso.com> On 18 Aug 96 at 11:49, Dr. Larry J. Crabb typed diligantly: > Here is a warning I got today from a close friend of mine in > Dallas via telephone: > > This is an important Virus Alert !!!!! Ah yes, the infamous "Good Times". It's not a virus, but a well conceived hoax. There's no way ASCII text can bring in a virus - unless it's a uuencoded (or MIME) binary file that you have to extract and run as a binary anyway. Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 06:54:12 -0500 From: meba@cso.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Rosemont Nieuport 11 Message-ID: <199608190651.GAA26571@cso.com> On 17 Aug 96 at 22:31, Marian Hollinger, Bradley Oma typed diligantly: > As I lay out the parts, I see other things are missing as well: a > V-strut, the cross-bar of the landing gear, two of the four > fuselage-to-top-wing struts, and there is only a v-strut for the > machine gun, but not the two small cross braces. This is, I > realize, a "basic kit", but is it usual for all these parts to be > missing? Can anyone provide a "checklist" of a complete Rosemont > Nieuport 11 kit? I had already started work on the fuselage > (cutting out the cockpit opening) before I realized all these > parts were missing-- so I don't know that Rosemont will take it > back. I'd be happy if they'd just send the missing parts-- but > I'm not sure how many other parts might be missing-- or how many > parts I am expected to make myself. This may not be a genuine > Kit-from-Hell, but so far it begins to look as though it is at > least from Purgatory. I would call Rosemont, Brad. This sounds like a mistake, and one that, IMNSHO, Barry would not want to let get past him. I had the problem with missing undercarriage in the Nieuport Triplane, and got a replacement set toot suite. Seriously, call him. He will set things right. The missing part for the overwing Lewis might not be missing. Something this thin would probably work better in metal rod, anyway. > (I must say, though, that the parts I *do* have look *very* nice-- > I would really like to be able to build this one). Don't give up hope until you call Rosemont. When you do call, call between 11:00am EST and 3:00pm, and ask for Barry - if he doesn't answer. He'll give you the scoop. HTH Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 07:09:16 -0500 From: Charles_A._Duckworth@notes.up.com (Charles A. Duckworth) To: wwi Subject: Re: Rampant Virus loose on Web Message-ID: <1996Aug19.050841.1155.592285@uprr-internet.notes.up.com> I guess this is the same virus that got the alien computer in 'Independence Day'...we need to just watch those guys in spaceships with laptops ready to dial into your mainframe - $80 million on special effects and a 2 cent plot..... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 08:12:58 -0700 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Re: Rosemont Nieuport 11 Message-ID: <3218847A.7B98@host.dmsc.net> meba@cso.com wrote: > > On 17 Aug 96 at 22:31, Marian Hollinger, Bradley Oma typed > diligantly: > > > As I lay out the parts, I see other things are missing as well: a > > V-strut, the cross-bar of the landing gear, two of the four > > fuselage-to-top-wing struts, and there is only a v-strut for the > > machine gun, but not the two small cross braces. This is, I > > realize, a "basic kit", but is it usual for all these parts to be > > missing? Can anyone provide a "checklist" of a complete Rosemont > > Nieuport 11 kit? I had already started work on the fuselage > > (cutting out the cockpit opening) before I realized all these > > parts were missing-- so I don't know that Rosemont will take it > > back. I'd be happy if they'd just send the missing parts-- but > > I'm not sure how many other parts might be missing-- or how many > > parts I am expected to make myself. This may not be a genuine > > Kit-from-Hell, but so far it begins to look as though it is at > > least from Purgatory. > > I would call Rosemont, Brad. This sounds like a mistake, and one > that, IMNSHO, Barry would not want to let get past him. I had the > problem with missing undercarriage in the Nieuport Triplane, and got > a replacement set toot suite. Seriously, call him. He will set > things right. > > The missing part for the overwing Lewis might not be missing. > Something this thin would probably work better in metal rod, anyway. > > > (I must say, though, that the parts I *do* have look *very* nice-- > > I would really like to be able to build this one). > > Don't give up hope until you call Rosemont. When you do call, call > between 11:00am EST and 3:00pm, and ask for Barry - if he doesn't > answer. He'll give you the scoop. HTH > > Matt > meba@cso.com Merci, Matt. I had determined to do just this. Need to talk to Barry anyway to find out why I've been waiting two months for my paints! Determined all the gun parts were present (strutwise), and that what were missing were all four fuselage struts. I expect this is happening to remind me of the poor mechanical crews who had to assemble the real birds sans all sorts of parts. Bradley ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 08:24:09 -0700 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: 19 August 1916, Paris, Buc Message-ID: <32188719.105B@host.dmsc.net> Good day but rainy in early a.m. prevented flying. Went to Paris in a.m. bought pair of shoes and several other necessities. Met Hedin and he asked me to lunch with him. Went to see Capt. Parker but found him out of town. Came back to Buc early. Am mighty lonely for darling adorable Gerty. No flying in p.m. Ate dinner in Buc. Wrote letters to Florence in evening. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 07:30:36 -0500 From: meba@cso.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Meikraft Lloyd Triplane Message-ID: <199608190728.HAA28853@cso.com> On 16 Aug 96 at 23:35, Charles Hart typed diligantly: > Guy wrote: > > >What is the addres and phone # for Meikraft? And... > >How much is the Triplane? > >I haven't attempted a 1/72, but (gulp) I am considering it... > > Well, go ahead and consider 1/72. But, I won't give you > the Meikraft address or phone #. YOU DO NOT WANT TO SEND MONEY TO > THIS OUTFIT. Buy the kit from someone who has it in stock, on the > shelf and who has a conscience. You have no choice, when it comes to the Lloyd. The entire premise of the Lloyd was an enticement to join his "modelers club". You joined the club (for what, $20, $25, $30? it's been so long ago I can't remember), then at the same time paid for the Lloyd (for $14 at the time, I think). If Guy is feeling really adventurous, he could send one of the members money for the kit, the member could request a Lloyd, and get it in the mail when you're on your death bed. ;-) Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 07:27:55 -0500 From: meba@cso.com To: wwi Subject: RE:Meikraft Lloyd Triplane Message-ID: <199608190725.HAA28708@cso.com> On 16 Aug 96 at 17:21, Tel +1-214-7168553 typed diligantly: > This is good news since I wrote off receiving this kit years ago; > maybe mine will come too -- I'm not counting on it since I > discovered the Caproni in hobby shops before he sent me the one > that I prepaid. Hopefully, you'll see yours soon. It sounds like he's only making a few at a time, since they're coming out so sporadically. > Now, anybody want to guess on when the Gotha and Fokker DI will > arrive? If you pre-paid, all I can say is good luck. The Fokker D.I is out. You can get it from at least Rosemont. Not sure about Sopwith, though. I hope he *does not* make the Gotha. I've got a Caproni, and I really don't think I'll ever build it; it's too complicated. If he does a Gotha, you can probably expect the same. Plus, the "weird" plastic he's using I can't see would lend itself it such a large kit. IMNSHO, if someone does a Gotha, I would like to see *vac* wings to save on weight. Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 07:36:31 -0500 From: meba@cso.com To: wwi Subject: Re:worst WWI kit Message-ID: <199608190733.HAA29256@cso.com> On 16 Aug 96 at 23:56, John Huggins typed diligantly: > The worst WWI kit I have ever attempted is with out a doubt a Hansa > Brandenberg something that Meikraft put out in his early days. I got this Too bad you threw it away, John. One of us could have bought it off you. I built it, and I didn't have many problems. The only problems I had were that I replaced all struts, and the inside of the fuselage sides need extreme thinning. Otherwise, the kit went together well for that era of Meikraft. I do agree with John that I will *not* send any money to Meikrantz directly, and wait until I see it in the Rosemont flyer. And on to Joe's message, someone *should have* (and probably still can) called the postal inspector on him. It is law that after 30 days from cashing your check you should either receive the merchandise; receive a valid explanation that both parties agree to; or receive a refund. *None* of this was done by him. Maybe it's because we as a modeling fraternity don't want to see one of our own in trouble. However, this type of behaviour is inexscusable regardless of if that person is an "artist" or not. Just my $.02. Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 05:42:15 -0700 From: t_eisen@ix.netcom.com (Thomas Eisenhour) To: wwi Subject: William Wellman Message-ID: <199608191242.FAA13109@dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com> Last Saturday, the American Movie Channel ran a bio of director William Wellman. Although you may not recognize his name you may remember his films, including _Beau Geste_, _The Ox-bow Incident_, _A Star is Born_, _Yellow Sky_, and _Lafayette Escadrille_. According to the bio, _Escadrille_ was semi-autobiographical. Anybody have any info on whether he WAS in the Lafayette Escadrille (or the USAS)? -- Tom Eisenhour t_eisen@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 07:40:09 -0500 From: meba@cso.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Mother, was Worst Kit Message-ID: <199608190737.HAA29531@cso.com> On 17 Aug 96 at 16:30, GRBroman@aol.com typed diligantly: > I am using the Airfix Mark I's for a massive conversion fest. I > just bought four more as the local shop had them marked down to > around $2.50. Finished building "Mother" last nite. Considering > the age of the molds, they are still quite good. Unfortunatley, > after reading the Summer OTF last nite, I am itching to start the > Ilya Mouromets and the CL II. So many kits, so little time..... Hey, Glen, why didn't I know about this? I'm about ready to re-add those rivets I sanded off with the conversion, then it will be painted. What color and brand paint did you use? Would others on the list be interested in hearing how to convert the Airfix "Mk.I" into "Mother"? If so, maybe both Glen and I can provide how we went about it. Eh, Glen? BTW, which Cl.II kit do you have? Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 07:56:36 -0500 From: meba@cso.com To: wwi Subject: Re: William Wellman Message-ID: <199608190754.HAA00912@cso.com> On 19 Aug 96 at 8:40, Thomas Eisenhour typed diligantly: > Last Saturday, the American Movie Channel ran a bio of director > William Wellman. Although you may not recognize his name you may > remember his films, including _Beau Geste_, _The Ox-bow Incident_, > _A Star is Born_, _Yellow Sky_, and _Lafayette Escadrille_. > According to the bio, _Escadrille_ was semi-autobiographical. > Anybody have any info on whether he WAS in the Lafayette > Escadrille (or the USAS)? Talk about coinkidink...I just happen to have Gordon's book _Lafayette Escadrille Pilot Biographies_ in front of me, waiting to have its pictures cataloged... There is only a small blurb on William Wellman. Taken from the biography on Edwin Parsons: "Fortunately, he ran into a former Lafayette Flying Corpsman, William Augustus Wellman, who was building a sloid reputation as a motion picture directory." It goes on from there about Hollywood type stuff. However, there is no specific biography on Wellman, so I wonder why. If I remember, I'll try to take a look through Flanders' book tonight, and see what it offers. Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 8:58:52 -0400 (EDT) From: "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" To: wwi Subject: RE: William Wellman Message-ID: <960819085852.2345027a@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU> Yes, "Wild Bill" was in the Lafayette Flying Corps (of which the Escadrille -- N.124 -- was one unit). See the Nordhoff & Hall books. Also see Lonnie Raidor's article in the old (i.e., U.S.) C & C JOURNAL. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 08:03:26 -0500 From: meba@cso.com To: WW1 Modelers Subject: Chapman, revisited Message-ID: <199608190814.IAA05033@cso.com> Well, got a call from Greg Van Wyngarden last night, and he offered a couple of items. When he first said that Chapman's plane had a 'C' on it he looked closer and saw it was the same aircraft that Charles Johnson was flying. Whether or not Johnson covered over the 'C's on the side with his dice (after taking over Chapman's machine) has yet to be seen, but what at first appeared to be a 'J' on the turtledeck for Johnson's machine now *appears* to be a 'C'. He's found a photo of a SPAD 7 that had a broad red stripe on the fuselage, followed by a broad white stripe, followed by the Indian Head that he *thinks* is Hinkle's machine. Just some tidbits some of you might be interested in. Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 10:06:38 -0700 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Re: Chapman, revisited Message-ID: <32189F1E.7C92@host.dmsc.net> meba@cso.com wrote: > > Well, got a call from Greg Van Wyngarden last night, and he offered a > couple of items. > > When he first said that Chapman's plane had a 'C' on it he looked > closer and saw it was the same aircraft that Charles Johnson was > flying. Whether or not Johnson covered over the 'C's on the side > with his dice (after taking over Chapman's machine) has yet to be > seen, but what at first appeared to be a 'J' on the turtledeck for > Johnson's machine now *appears* to be a 'C'. Matt, do you have any idea which photograph he is describing here? This all sounds rather speculative. I wonder if this is the same evidence used by the folks who were building a replica of Chapman's machine (they have a "C" on theirs), of if they have other corroborating evidence. --Bradley > > He's found a photo of a SPAD 7 that had a broad red stripe on the > fuselage, followed by a broad white stripe, followed by the Indian > Head that he *thinks* is Hinkle's machine. > And here? > Just some tidbits some of you might be interested in. > > Matt > meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 09:31:44 -0500 From: meba@cso.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Chapman, revisited Message-ID: <199608190929.JAA12310@cso.com> On 19 Aug 96 at 10:08, Marian Hollinger, Bradley Oma typed diligantly: > Matt, do you have any idea which photograph he is describing here? > This all sounds rather speculative. I wonder if this is the same > evidence used by the folks who were building a replica of > Chapman's machine (they have a "C" on theirs), of if they have > other corroborating evidence. --Bradley All he would say was something on the order of "new photo's". Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 09:50:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Joseph Gentile To: wwi Subject: Re: Hobby Expo 96 Message-ID: <199608191450.JAA11628@Walden.MO.NET> At 08:12 PM 8/18/96 -0400, you wrote: >A friend and fellow modeler is traveling to St. Louis MI and would like to >know the >address of the Verlinder's museum, that we believe is nearby, also where >could we >find some information on the Hobby Expo 96 at St. Louis on Sep. 8/9 , >can some one give me a tip. > >Thanks a lot > >Saludos > >Alberto > > >Alberto, The museum to be name "Minature World" has not yet re-opened I think. Last I heard it was scheduled to be open this fall in downtown St. Charles a burb just west of the County and a ten minute ride from the airport. You can contact VLS at 811 Lone Star Drive, O'Fallon, MO 63366. Their number is 314-281-5700. Hope this helps, Joe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 07:54:26 -0800 From: John Snyder To: wwi Subject: Rampant Virus loose on Web -Reply Message-ID: Oh, good grief! The hoax lives on, and on, and on.... >>> Dr. Larry J. Crabb 08/18/96 07:50am >>> Here is a warning I got today from a close friend of mine in Dallas via telephone: This is an important Virus Alert !!!!! >>There is a computer virus that is being sent across the Internet. If you >>receive an email message with the subject line "Good Times", DO NOT read >>the message, DELETE it immediately. Please read the messages below. Some >>miscreant is sending email under the title "Good Times" nationwide, if >>you get anything like this, DON'T DOWN LOAD THE FILE! It has a virus that >>rewrites your hard drive, obliterating anything on it. Please be careful >>and forward this mail to anyone you care about. >> >> WARNING!!!!!!! INTERNET VIRUS >> >>The FCC released a warning last Wednesday concerning a matter of major >>importance to any regular user of the Internet. Apparently a new computer >>virus has been engineered by a user of AMERICA ON LINE that is >>unparalleled in its destructive capability. What makes this virus so >>terrifying, said the FCC, is the fact that no program needs to be >>exchanged for a new computer to be infected. It can be spread through the >>existing email systems of the Internet. Once a Computer is infected, one >>of several things can happen. If the computer contains a hard drive, >>that will most likely be destroyed. If the program is not stopped, the >>computer's processor will be placed in an nth-complexity infinite binary >>loop -which can severely damage the processor if left running that way too >>long. Luckily, there is one sure means of detecting what is now known as >>the "Good Times" virus. It always travels to new computers the same way in >>a text email message with the subject line reading "Good Times". Avoiding >>infection is easy once the file has been received simply by NOT READING >>IT! The act of loading the file into the mail server's ASCII buffer causes >>the "Good Times" mainline program to initialize and execute. The program >>is highly intelligent- it will send copies of itself to everyone whose >>email address is contained in a receive-mail file or a sent-mail file, if >>it can find one. It will then proceed to trash the computer it is running >>on. >> >> The bottom line is: - if you receive a file with the subject line "Good >>Times", delete it immediately! Do not read it" Rest assured that >>whoever's name was on the "From" line was surely struck by the virus. >>Warn your friends and local system users of this newest threat to the >>Internet! It could save them a lot of time and money. Could you pass this >>along to your global mailing list as well? Regards, Docc (Dr. Larry J. Crabb) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 10:10:48 -0500 From: Charles_A._Duckworth@notes.up.com (Charles A. Duckworth) To: wwi Cc: Jack_Mueller@notes.up.com (Jack Mueller) Subject: Re: Mark IV color(s) Message-ID: <1996Aug19.080817.1155.592851@uprr-internet.notes.up.com> In looking over the painting instructions, usually a humorous modeling exercise, for the Emhar Mark IV Female, there are references to a Bronze Green and solid grey being used to paint some tanks. I looked over the sources I have and there are a few photos shown in the book 'Tanks and Trenches' where one could almost believe a Battleship grey was used in a few cases due to the lightness of the greys in the photos compared to the darker greys (green) shown on the Whippets. I'm wondering if anyone on the list has seen any references to Mark IV's being painted in any other scheme than Bronze Green. - thanks ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 08:32:49 -0800 From: John Snyder To: wwi Subject: Re: Mark IV color(s) -Reply Message-ID: Be cautious in undertaking color interpretation based on historic photos. The glass plates or orthochromatic films in use during that period rendered colors differently than today's panchromatic films. Very briefly, yellows (or colors in that range) will be rendered almost black in a print; reds will be very dark; and blues--or colors with a high blue content such as blue-grays--will be rendered very light or white. Remember how the sky in most photos of that period usually appears white? Of course, photographers could use filters to manipulate the final results, which introduces yet another set of unknowns.... (The foregoing based on research I did some years ago for a technical paper on the use of historic photos as an aid to paint analysis on historic buildings.) John Snyder jsnyder@trmx3.dot.ca.gov >>> Charles A. Duckworth 08/19/96 07:10am >>> In looking over the painting instructions, usually a humorous modeling exercise, for the Emhar Mark IV Female, there are references to a Bronze Green and solid grey being used to paint some tanks. I looked over the sources I have and there are a few photos shown in the book 'Tanks and Trenches' where one could almost believe a Battleship grey was used in a few cases due to the lightness of the greys in the photos compared to the darker greys (green) shown on the Whippets. I'm wondering if anyone on the list has seen any references to Mark IV's being painted in any other scheme than Bronze Green. - thanks ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 96 11:37:53 EDT From: Brian Nicklas To: Subject: NASM Paul Garber Facility Message-ID: <199608191536.LAA27453@pease1.sr.unh.edu> The NASM Paul E. Garber Preservation, Restoration and Storage Facility is open for tours at 10am Mon-Fri, and 10am and 1pm Sat and Sun. Reservations are required, call 202-357-1400 (TDD 357-1505) between 9am and 3pm Mon-Fri. Or write: National Air and Space Museum Scheduling Office, MRC 305 Washington, DC 20560 Large groups must write. Tour runs approx two-three hours. Facilities are unheated and unairconditioned, so dress appropriately. Lighting is not conducive to hand-held no flash photos, so be prepared. And bring enough film, there is no gift shop (except during open house). Speaking of Open House, it is time once again! Currently held every two years, The PGF Wings and Things Open House is set for October 26 and 27 of this year. Hours are 10 am until 3 pm both Saturday and Sunday. You can pose the kids in an F-100 Super Sabre cockpit, listen to music, and eat food bought on site (great barbecue!) or bring your own picnic lunch. Currently in the restoration shop (Bldg 10) is a Nieuport 28, Hawker Hurricane MkIIb, Pitts Special "Little Stinker", Boeing B-29 "Enola Gay" bits, and an Aichi Seiran (Panama Canal bomber). The restoration crew will be there to answer questions, and docents and curators will be in the other buildings to answer questions there. This is held rain or shine, so bring an umbrella for walking between buildings in case of rain! The DC and Norther Va chapters of IPMS usually have a demo table, and the DC/RC group may have a demo as well. Hope some of you can make it! Brian Nicklas NASM Archives ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 09:44:07 -0600 From: "Randy J. Ray" To: wwi Subject: Re: Meikraft Lloyd Triplane Message-ID: > > If Guy is feeling really adventurous, he could send one of the > members money for the kit, the member could request a Lloyd, and get > it in the mail when you're on your death bed. ;-) > [Scene: A quaint countryside home in the south of France. The family patriarch lies on his bed, sickly, dressing is a Dickens-esque gown and longcap, looking up weakly at his wife and children, trying to reassure them as his time of departure draws nigh.] (A pre-teen boy bursts into the room in a flurry.) Boy: "Papa! Papa! You cannot die yet! Your Meikraft Lloyd Triplane has just come in the mail!" (The father sits up, a new energy coursing through him.) :-) Randy -- =============================================================================== Randy J. Ray -- U S WEST Technologies IAD/CSS/DPDS Phone: (303)595-2869 Denver, CO rjray@uswest.com "It's not denial. I'm just very selective about the reality I accept." --Calvin =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 10:24:01 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: Meikraft Lloyd Triplane Message-ID: >On 16 Aug 96 at 23:35, Charles Hart typed diligantly: > >> Guy wrote: >> >> >What is the addres and phone # for Meikraft? And... >> >How much is the Triplane? >> >I haven't attempted a 1/72, but (gulp) I am considering it... >> >> Well, go ahead and consider 1/72. But, I won't give you >> the Meikraft address or phone #. YOU DO NOT WANT TO SEND MONEY TO >> THIS OUTFIT. Buy the kit from someone who has it in stock, on the >> shelf and who has a conscience. Matt replied: >You have no choice, when it comes to the Lloyd. The entire premise >of the Lloyd was an enticement to join his "modelers club". You >joined the club (for what, $20, $25, $30? it's been so long ago I >can't remember), then at the same time paid for the Lloyd (for $14 at >the time, I think). > >If Guy is feeling really adventurous, he could send one of the >members money for the kit, the member could request a Lloyd, and get >it in the mail when you're on your death bed. ;-) > After typing the above, I did find out that the Lloyd Tripe was part of this "modelers club" of Meikraft. Thanks Matt for helping to set me straight. OK so this is an opportunity for you Miekraft modelers club members to make some $$. You guys can do gang orders of Triplanes for the rest of us and charge us what the market will bear. So how much is this Lloyd really gonna cost ??? Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 10:59:56 +0000 From: Rob To: wwi Subject: Re: Meikraft Lloyd Triplane Message-ID: <9608191052.aa14541@scosysv.speechsys.com> Charels writes: > Subject: Re: Meikraft Lloyd Triplane > OK so this is an opportunity for you Miekraft modelers club > members to make some $$. You guys can do gang orders of Triplanes for the > rest of us and charge us what the market will bear. So how much is this > Lloyd really gonna cost ??? I liked the Postal Inspector idea better. Those guys take operations like MeiKraft really seriously, and it sounds like he needs the attention, if only for the good of his immortal soul. I think that giving this guy the money via a cutout is subsidizing a crooked operation. By doing so, we deprive MeiKraft's proprietor of the chance to learn the error of his ways and become a legitimate businessman (if incompetence is the main cause of his behavior). We also deprive legitimate competitors, existing or potential, of the chance to take over his business (if he is unwilling to reform himself). Finally, outfits like MeiKraft harm the reputation and prospects of the entire mail order/cottage industry. What happens when a person's first encounter with both is this guy? Easy--no more orders from anyone that they have to deal with sight unseen. What happens when suppliers and retailers get burned the same way? Easy again--they stop dealing with marginally financed, cottage-industry proprietors (after all, they can find bigger accounts that are far less agro and risk for far more bucks). Or else they just pass the cost of doing business with MeiKraft on to their legitimate cottage clients. The result? Higher prices for us, fewer solvent small manufacturers, and more MeiKrafts. This "one of our own" attitude bugs me too. As Don Corleone liked to say, "this is business, this isn't personal." I expect honesty, good service, and good value in my business dealings, whether I am buying a hobby item or a blender. Appealing to my fellow feeling/friendship as an excuse for shabby practices only suggests that, being a bit shady myself, I will understand. Well, I won't. I have often thought of starting a small hobby business like MeiKraft. But I have never done it, because I know I could not meet my committments and do things properly given other committments that matter to me more. So I say, pull the plug on this guy now. My 2 cents (OK--my $5.87). Rob, robj@speechsys.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 11:57:10 -0500 From: meba@cso.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Meikraft Lloyd Triplane Message-ID: <199608191154.LAA26529@cso.com> On 19 Aug 96 at 12:19, Charles Hart typed diligantly: > After typing the above, I did find out that the Lloyd Tripe > was part of this "modelers club" of Meikraft. Thanks Matt for > helping to set me straight. OK so this is an opportunity for you > Miekraft modelers club members to make some $$. You guys can do > gang orders of Triplanes for the rest of us and charge us what the > market will bear. So how much is this Lloyd really gonna cost ??? Well, take into account *inflation*, and *interest* by the time you get your kit, and you might just have that $100 1/72nd kit!!! Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 229 *********************