WWI Digest 223 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) 12 August 1916, Buc by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 2) Re: US TV Shows by GRBroman@aol.com 3) Morane - Saulnier tipe L by Alberto Rada 4) Re: US TV Shows by Alberto Rada 5) Re: US TV Shows by cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) 6) Re: Nieuport 11 Elevator Cables by Alberto Rada 7) Oshkosh reflections by thayer@sirius.com (Thayer Syme) 8) THanks(was Fokker DVII) by Step by Step Training Development 9) RE: Dragon FokkerD VII by SDW@qld.mim.com.au 10) RE: Dragon FokkerD VII by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 11) Fokker conundrum by Step by Step Training Development 12) Latest WW1 Aero by meba@cso.com 13) 13 August 1916, Buc by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 14) List down? by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 15) Re: List down? by meba@cso.com 16) Re: List down? by stonto@seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu 17) [Fwd: 12 August 1916, Buc] by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 18) Re: 'Drachen' kite balloon help needed by Andreas Einsel <100410.261@CompuServe.COM> 19) Airfix SPAD 7 by meba@cso.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 16:55:21 -0700 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: 12 August 1916, Buc Message-ID: <320FC469.31B0@host.dmsc.net> Fine day got out of infirmery in early a.m. but was told to wait until tomorrow to start flying again. Ate lunch in Buc. Wrote letter to Patrina in p.m. Dennis Dowd one of our number was instantly killed last evening in a fall with a Caudron biplane. Was an awful blow to us all. Internment on Monday. Didn't fly in late p.m. with the rest. Supper in Buc. Rec'd leave of 24 hours but stayed here until morning. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 17:55:19 -0400 From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: US TV Shows Message-ID: <960812175519_257816243@emout18.mail.aol.com> >>Guys, >> Those of you with cable who get the History Channel may be >>interested to know that tomorrow, Monday, August 12, the following will >>be on from 7:00 to 9:00 EST: Aces High: Air Warfare 1914-1918 and Tank: >>Wonder Weapon of WWI. Looks like my vcr will be busy. >> Carlos >Hey Carlos - >For those of us who don't get the History Channel, I think I can safely say >that some of us might part with a few $$$ for a copy of what you tape. Any >possibilities? I believe that this is the tape that Greg VanWyngarden brought to our meeting last Saturday to preview. Excellent show. I believe that it will also be released as a set in the near future. Glen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 20:20:04 -0400 (AST) From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Morane - Saulnier tipe L Message-ID: <199608130020.UAA01580@fw.true.net> I am just finishing Eduard's Morane - Saulnier Tipe L, and it is really a very nice kit to build and certainly has a lovely look when finished, but careful, those who have not done it yet, when doing the spoke wheels for the 356 version, ( they are lovely done and fit perfectly ) , something looked strange, and voila, they are German spoke wheels not the French type, I imagine that the error occurs because in Datafile 16 on the back cover, the same mistake is made. Now someone come to the rescue and confirm that the frenchies used both . . . . no . . . . well then to Tom's or Fotocut for help. A very special favor: Next week, on Saturday 24th I will be starting our summer vacations with my family, that is wife and 5 years old daughter, we shall be flying to Miami and then on by road to Washington and back, the itinerary is Miami - Jacksonville - Charleston - Raleigh - Williamsburg - Washington - Charlotte - Atlanta - Orlando - Miami. We'll be staying longer in Washington ( August 31st - Sep. 3rd. ) and Atlanta, now the visit to the Smithsonian is certainly a must but I would like to know if there are any Museums , hobby shops or bookstores that you may recommend me along the way or in Washington, that should be visited by a WW I aviation freak , also I think there is someone on the group that works at the Smithsonian, I would certainly like to contact him, if he is available, or any one else along the way. Saludos Alberto ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 20:32:11 -0400 (AST) From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: US TV Shows Message-ID: <199608130032.UAA01848@fw.true.net> At 05:55 PM 8/12/96 -0400, you wrote: >>>Guys, >>> Those of you with cable who get the History Channel may be >>>interested to know that tomorrow, Monday, August 12, the following will >>>be on from 7:00 to 9:00 EST: Aces High: Air Warfare 1914-1918 and Tank: >>>Wonder Weapon of WWI. Looks like my vcr will be busy. >>> Carlos >>Hey Carlos - >>For those of us who don't get the History Channel, I think I can safely say >>that some of us might part with a few $$$ for a copy of what you tape. Any >>possibilities? > >I believe that this is the tape that Greg VanWyngarden brought to our meeting >last Saturday to preview. Excellent show. I believe that it will also be >released as a set in the near future. Glen > Who will ? . . . When ? . . . meanwhile can a copy be obtained, paying for it of course, it would really be great help for those of us with no reach to the History Channel. saludos Alberto ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Aug 96 21:34:17 EDT From: cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) To: wwi Subject: Re: US TV Shows Message-ID: <199608130134.VAA17373@conted.swann.gatech.edu> I just finished watching--and taping--the two shows. Overall, the tank program was much more interesting, replete as it was with official maps and commentary from some very old British vets; the film clips were also nice. The show took an almost sociological, rather than technological or purely military, approach, with many references to how the English press presented the new vehicles to the public. There wasn't too much in the way of super detailing information for modelers. The a/c show also had some interesting bits of footage that were new to me, but some material will be quite familiar to most enthusiasts. Again, this was not a technological history nor even a study of personalities; rather, it was an overview of the air war in its entirety, covering seaplanes, balloons, and airships as well as aircraft. There were several major errors, such as the mistaken identification of several types--at times it seemed that any tractor aircraft with British markings had to be a Pup, and then there was the AEG that was identified as a giant Staaken--and the claim that Bloody April cost the English only 150 machines. The real howler, however, concerned von Richtofen: did you know that he was 32 when the war started ("old for a fighter pilot" indeed!)?! All in all it was disappointing, but I expect I'll keep the tape anyway. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 22:51:24 -0400 (AST) From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Nieuport 11 Elevator Cables Message-ID: <199608130251.WAA04147@fw.true.net> At 01:32 PM 8/12/96 -0400, you wrote: >I've started on the Smer Nieuport 11, cleaning up parts and drilling holes. I've >come to a spot where I need some opinions/doc from the list. > >The drawings with the kit show the elevator control cables leaving the fuselage >high up on the side, so that the upper cable clears the horizontal stab and >connects to the control horn. However, an old AW&ST calendar I have, depicting >Kiffin Rockwell's first victory, shows the cables leaving the fuselage low on >the side, so the upper cable must run through a hole in the horizontal stab. >Anyone able to shed any light on the discrepancy? > >Bill C. > > In Nieuport Fighters Special Datafile also all Nie.11/16's have the cable "low", and the cable running through the stab. So unless something new shows I think that's it. Saludos Alberto ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 23:36:25 -0400 From: thayer@sirius.com (Thayer Syme) To: wwi Subject: Oshkosh reflections Message-ID: I didn't make too much of an effort to see everything as that can never be done but here are a few thoughts. There were a few of the usual assorted WWI types in smaller scales as ultralights and light planes. The best one, imho, was probably a 2/3 or 80 % JN-4. Very well done. There was also a nice full sized Sop Camel, though it had a radial. The rest is Golden Age so beware... :-) I had the pleasure of seeing a cabin Waco biplane part way through restoration that was covered with clear mylar. It was quite popular as folks got to see what really is under the skin. Probably the other Golden Age highlight was the appearance of a DH Dragonfly flown over from England. I got the impression that it was one of two still flying. It was, of course, in impeccable condition. Golden Age lowlight was hearing that the DH 88 replica by Bill Turner of California will be museumed in Osh and not flown again. There might be some coverage of interest in the rags. Watch the newsstands. Thayer Syme San Francisco ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 13:22:26 +0800 From: Step by Step Training Development To: wwi Subject: THanks(was Fokker DVII) Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19960813132448.1c27c4b0@mail.iinet.net.au> Hi all! Thanks to all those kind souls who e-mailed me with tips on Dragons Fokker DVII. I'm eager to get going on this one(but only after I finish my Schuckert DIII!!) Michael Cornforth sbstd@iinet.com.au "Free advice is seldom free" ------------------------------ Date: 13 Aug 96 15:41:00 EDT From: SDW@qld.mim.com.au To: wwi%pease1.sr.unh.edu@teksup.mim.com.au Cc: stonto%seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu@teksup.mim.com.au Subject: RE: Dragon FokkerD VII Message-ID: <199608130601.QAA08560@mimmon.mim.com.au> On 11 Aug 96 at 21:10, I typed inelegantly: > >The minor "fault" is that the engine panels are the wrong pattern for the > >decals provided. I just made new ones myself to go with the PD decals I > >used, but there are aftermarket resin replacements available from at > >least two sources, including Rosemont (who, incidentally, are prompt and > >efficient mail order suppliers) Stephen asks: > Explain further (privately if necessary) as I have and plan > on using Aeromaster decals (I'm sure you've seen the sets > available). Mine is the set that has a white bird on one > of the aircraft. (real technical; hey its Monday. Gimme a > break here) > Which would the kit panels be appropriate for? Mmm. Matt has already answered assuming you mean Rabens bird, but I'm guessing you mean the elongated looking white stork (??) of Uffz. Piel of Jasta 13 -(green nose panels, blue fuselage the aircraft has several bullet hole patches as well) If that's the one I can tell you that it's pictured (as a colour profile) on the cover of Windsock v12 #2 with the nose panels of an early Albatros built aircraft . However Rimmell says in the contents page caption that it's actually 373/18, which would be an early Fokker built example. If I remember correctly, the kit panels are either late Fokker or late OAW, with the long louvres, so wouldn't be correct for Piels aircraft in either case. It would, however, be the work of an instant to scrape and sand off the louvres and scribe another access panel. Or, as Matt says, Rosemont and GP Atlee have replacements - at fairly nominal cost. One aircraft I'm near certain IS appropriate to the kit is the one (also of Jasta 13) modelled by Rimmell in his review - it's also on the Aeromaster sheet. Incidentally (and if you're not sick of the subject) I'll look at some photos tonight and try to figure out just WHAT the Piel aircraft is.... Regards Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 23:08:42 -0700 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: RE: Dragon FokkerD VII Message-ID: <199608130608.AA26271@ednet1.orednet.org> Shane wrote: -snips- >Incidentally (and if you're not sick of the subject) I'll look at some >photos tonight and try to figure out just WHAT the Piel aircraft is.... While my photos on this aircraft aren't the best, my guess is that 373/18 is an early Fokker-built with a field modification to add additional louvers. The early Fokker D.VII's tend to have their louvers 'all over the ball park' as the 'factory delivered' panels with -no- cooling louvers quickly proved inadequate in all save ideal conditions. The side panels were altered by the Jastas to open up additional cooling holes but without any particular set pattern as to exactly where or how big the louvers were. Thus, there are all sorts of variations apparent with the early D.VII's, very few of which closely resemble any of the 'standard' side panels. Cheers, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 17:13:05 +0800 From: Step by Step Training Development To: wwi Subject: Fokker conundrum Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19960813171546.231fcef6@mail.iinet.net.au> Hi all! It seems my original post has spurred some discussion as to which panels were/are correct for various Fokker DVII's. Question: What about Udet's machine which is the version I wish to model? Are the panels as supplied in the kit correct?? Thanks in advance. Michael Cornforth sbstd@iinet.com.au "Free advice is seldom free" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 07:08:48 -0500 From: meba@cso.com To: WW1 Modelers Subject: Latest WW1 Aero Message-ID: <199608130706.HAA29734@cso.com> Not too much to report. The cover is an excellent photo of an *uncovered* Fokker E.III replica being built by the San Diego Museum. Cockpits/Instruments is entirely on the Sopwith Camel, with emphasis on one used by the US Navy. Other than that, not too much for us static modelers. It's still enjoyable, though. One article is by an individual who hand built, using original blue prints, a Sopwith Triplane. Quite entertaining and elightening. Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 11:11:02 -0700 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: 13 August 1916, Buc Message-ID: <3210C536.36EC@host.dmsc.net> Rainy in early a.m. but stopped in time to do a little flying. Went up once for very short flight. Didn't feel good. Went into Paris at 9. Went to Amer. Church for 10:30 service. Ate dinner alone and went to American Ambulance to see Lydon. Found he had left 2 weeks ago for hospital in St. Cloud. Bought a nice present and sent it to Gerty for her 19th birthday. Went to see Miss Mooney in late p.m. Met a Mr. & Mrs. Will there & their daughter. Supper with Miss Mooney. Dowd's memorial service is to be on Tuesday at rue de Berri Church. Will all attend I guess. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 11:16:36 -0700 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: List down? Message-ID: <3210C684.379@host.dmsc.net> Gents, is the list down? Haven't received anything here for a day or two, and none of my posts have appeared. Can't see through the clouds. Bradley ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 10:45:13 -0500 From: meba@cso.com To: wwi Subject: Re: List down? Message-ID: <199608131043.KAA12937@cso.com> On 13 Aug 96 at 11:31, Marian Hollinger, Bradley Oma typed diligantly: > is the list down? Haven't received anything here for a day or > two, and none of my posts have appeared. Not down, just extremely slow. Might want to check your status via 'help'. Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 96 09:46:01 PST From: stonto@seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu To: wwi Subject: Re: List down? Message-ID: <9607138399.AA839954766@SCCCGATE.seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu> Gents, is the list down? Haven't received anything here for a day or two, and none of my posts have appeared. List isn't down; I had a bunch this morning when I came in. Plus your post appeared here too! Maybe check with your server. --Stephen Tontoni (not a "gent"; too much like "gentleman" and that raises all sorts of expectations!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 13:58:08 -0700 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: [Fwd: 12 August 1916, Buc] Message-ID: <3210EC60.67DA@host.dmsc.net> X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Message-ID: <3210C44E.3A0F@host.dmsc.net> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 11:07:10 -0700 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu. Subject: 12 August 1916, Buc References: <3210255D.71C1@host.dmsc.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fine day got out of infirmery in early a.m. but was told to wait until tomorrow to start flying again. Ate lunch in Buc. Wrote letter to Patrina in p.m. Dennis Dowd one of our number was instantly killed last evening in a fall with a Caudron biplane. Was an awful blow to us all. Internment on Monday. Didn't fly in late p.m. with the rest. Supper in Buc. Rec'd leave of 24 hours but stayed here until morning. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Aug 96 14:29:09 EDT From: Andreas Einsel <100410.261@CompuServe.COM> To: Multiple recipients of l Subject: Re: 'Drachen' kite balloon help needed Message-ID: <960813182909_100410.261_JHU34-2@CompuServe.COM> Hi Brian, just received your Drachen-plans. Wow, great. Many thanks. The rigging looks even more complicated than in the Roseplane-instructions. What material did you use for rigging and what color-scheme did you use on your Drachen? Ciao, Andy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 15:14:51 -0500 From: meba@cso.com To: WW1 Modelers Subject: Airfix SPAD 7 Message-ID: <199608131512.PAA27718@cso.com> Has anyone corrected an Airfix SPAD 7? If so, what changes are needed? TIA! Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 223 *********************