WWI Digest 218 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) HitKit new kits by SOPWITH@worldnet.att.net 2) FAQ Colors/ Sopwith Hobbies by SOPWITH@worldnet.att.net 3) Re: New Eduard Kit Announced by Alberto Rada 4) Re: HitKit new kits by Alberto Rada 5) Re: HitKit new kits by cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) 6) RE: FAQ Colors/ Sopwith Hobbies by SDW@qld.mim.com.au 7) Re: First look of Eduard's skeletal E.III by huggins@Onramp.NET (John Huggins) 8) Re: Morane-Saulnier by breuer@itz-koeln.de (Dietmar Breuer) 9) New Eduard E. III too neato for words! by Mathoo@aol.com 10) Re: The FAQ colour guide by "Brian Bushe" 11) Re: Fokker database by NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) 12) RE: New Eduard Kit Announced by amadon@pcix.com (Gerald P. MCOSKER) 13) Re: First look of Eduard's skeletal E.III by amadon@pcix.com (Gerald P. MCOSKER) 14) Re: Fokker database by Rob 15) Re: Color Mix Doc. by Rob 16) Re: HitKit new kits by stonto@seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu 17) Re: First look of Eduard's skeletal E.III by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 18) Re[2]: New Eduard Kit Announced by stonto@seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu 19) Re: Fokker database by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 20) Query, RMS OLYMPIC, RMS MAURETANIA by John Snyder 21) Fokker D.VIII Query by meba@cso.com 22) Re: Fokker D.VIII Query by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 23) Re: Fokker D.VIII Query by "Joseph J. Gentile, III" 24) Re: Fokker D.VIII Query by meba@cso.com 25) RE: FAQ Colors/ Sopwith Hobbies by SOPWITH@worldnet.att.net 26) Re: Color Mix Doc. by kwenker@interaccess.com (Kevin Wenker) 27) RE: FAQ Colors/ Sopwith Hobbies by SDW@qld.mim.com.au 28) Re: Fokker database by "Valenciano . Jose" 29) 8 August 1916, Buc by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 02:05:27 +0000 From: SOPWITH@worldnet.att.net To: wwi Subject: HitKit new kits Message-ID: <19960808020524.AAA1461@LOCALNAME> Just received four kits from Poland's HitKit. All in 1/72 scale. They are the the Ansaldo A.1 Balilla with markins for Italian & Polish aircraft. Contains photoetched wire wheels, radiator (front of engine housing and some cockpit detail) It is injection moulded and the trailing edges are thin. It's pretty good to scale. The Ansaldo is piced at $14.95. The other three represent the Albatros D.III Offag ser 53/153, 153 & 253. They also are injection moulded with recesed panel lines and the scale compares well with the Albatros datafile. Include photoetched parts, wire wheel inserts, engine mounts cockpit instrument panel, control horns, radiator panels etc. Decals are provided for quite a few aircraft. The 53/153 includes markins to make one of 12 Ac, including Godwin Brumowski's all red and all red/mustard sworld camouflage. The camouflage decal is clear and icludes a patter taht could be used for Linke-Crawford & Kurt Gruber AC. The 153 includes decals for Eugen Boensch (colorful red arrow with a spade opening) and other Ac including Brumowski. The 253 includes includes the sworl fabric decal (slight tonal variation from Blue Rider and a bit larger) and markins for Navratil , Franz Peter and Bonsh AC amongts others. Price for any of the Albatros DIII Oef is $17.95 + shipping of $3.50 for any one kit, $4.00 for up to four. Happy modeling Juan PS excuse the spelling Sopwith Hobbies (305) 665 - 5730 3- 9 pm. EST P.O. Box 560442 Miami, Fl. 33256 T ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 02:05:35 +0000 From: SOPWITH@worldnet.att.net To: wwi Subject: FAQ Colors/ Sopwith Hobbies Message-ID: <19960808020524.AAC1461@LOCALNAME> Looks as if attaching file with my e-mail makes it hard to decode. Im sending them here. Please note that we have in stock all the colors in the mixture, + others. If someone can add the Methuen # to the file I'l appreciated it. As far as the color data base, why not keep it simple and sort by country and withn country by methuen #. SOPWITH HOBBIES (305) 665-5730 3 p.m to 9 p.m. EST m-f, 9 a.m - 4 p.m. sat Color Mixing Guide for WWI AC. These will be very close to the color you'll need. Most have been matched to Methuen by modelers/writers in modeling magazines. Let us know what other colors you have used to match WWI colors, It'll help your fellow modelers. G Dk Green Topside Green(X241) G Purple Topside Purple(X242) G Red Red Satin(HU132) tone down with Brown(HU133) G Pale Grey 1p RLM Grau(X201) + 2p White(X141) G Mid Blue 4p Blue(HU25) + 1p White(HU22) G Prussian Blue Midnight Blue (HU15) G Light Green Light Green(HU120) G Turquoise Blue Underside Blue(X243) G Pale Blue 3p Brunswick Green(HU3) + Grey(HU64) + dash French G G " " Blue(HU14). This is very similar to Turquoise Blue. G Silver Grau 2p Silver(HU11) + 1p White(HU22) G Green Emerald green(HU02) + touch of Black G Medium Green Medium Green(X114) G Red Brown Signalbraun(X801) GB Roundel Blue Blue(HU25) GB Green RFC Green(X22) Can be used as PC10 GB PC12 Brick Red(HU70) + touch of Black(HU33). Black amount GB " will determine how much of a brown look you'll get GB Clear Dope Doped Natural Fabric(X21) GB Nivo Nivo(X20) GB Roundel Red Scarlet(HU60) GB PC10 Olive Drab(HU155) or GB " 7p RFC Green(HU22) + 7p Leather(HU62) + 4p GB " Light Grey(HU64) I Ochre 4p Pale Yellow(HU81) + 4p Yellow Facings(HU162) + 10p I " Leather(HU62) I Grigio-Verde Slate Grey(HU31) or I " " Army Green(HU102) + Touch Light Grey I Khaki Midstone(HU84) I Red Brown German Red Brown(HU160) + dash Insignia Red(HU153) I Metal Areas 15p Brown Yellow(HU94) + 1p Scarlet(HU60) + 4p I I " " White(HU22). Spad AC, similar to French Yellow I Flag Red 7p Red Brown(HU100) + 2p Scarlet(HU153) I Clear Dope Linen 6p WWI green(HU108) + 1p Scarlet(HU60) Spad AC I Clear Dope Linen 6p Linen(HU74) + 1p(HG12) for Nieuport AC I Green Deck Green(HU88) AH Flag Red Insignia Red(X103) AH Clear Dope Linen Radome Tan FS13613(X107) AH Prussian Blue Midnight Blue (HU15) AH Dk. Maroon 3p Hull Red(HU177) + 1p Black(HU33) AH Dk. Sage Matt Dark Green(HU30) AH Ultramarine Blue(HU25) AH Light Blue 1p Brunswick Green(HU3) + 1p Grey(HU64) + dash French AH " " Blue(HU14). AH Pale Violet 1p Crimson(HU20) + 1p White(HU22) AH Light Green 2p Grass Green(HU80) + 1p Yellow(HU69) AH Ochre Leather(HU62) + dash Light Buff(HU7) AH Pink Grey Light Gray + dash Bright Red(HU19) AH Blue Grey Bruswick Green(HU3) + Beige Green(HU90) Used for undersurfaces US AC Grey ADC Grey(X135) B1 Beige 1p Brown yellow(HU94) + 1p Khaki Drill(HU72) + " 1p Beige Green(HU90) + 2p Silver(HU11) B1 Light Green 1p Iron Grey(HU92) + 1p Matt Light Gray(HU64) + " " 1p Beige Green(HU90) + 2p Silver(HU11) B1 Dark Green 1p Iron Grey(HU92) + 1p Dark Green(HU30) + 1p Silver(HU11) B1 Brown 1p Dark Earth(HU29) + 1p Scarlet(HU60) + 1p Silver(HU11) B1 Black 1p Black(HU21) + 1p Silver(HU11) NOTE: 1-Silver is used for Hanriot and other aircraft that were "factory dope in silver" at the factory. If the AC model was not factory doped in silver, do not use silver in the color formula. NOTE G = Germany; I = Italy; GB = Great Britain; AH = Austro-Hungary; B = Belgian; US = United States HU = Humbrol X = XtraColour. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 22:18:30 -0400 (AST) From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: New Eduard Kit Announced Message-ID: <199608080218.WAA20709@fw.true.net> At 07:47 AM 8/7/96 -0400, you wrote: >Hmmm...maybe we should start some sort of correspondence - AS A >GROUP - with Minicraft. That way they can see that there is a need >for an Albatros D.III - or whatever - and be assured that many >people would buy it. I, for one, would never have bought - or built >- a Spit if it wasn't for the excellent offering from Minicraft. > >Think about it. > Just a thought, if we make and maintain a list of available kits by type, like the one in Windsock, but make a round and decide what is the best buy, and the best and cheapest available source to buy it, could this help the competition ? I think must of the bucks go to the intermediaries I mean How much is getting Eduard for his kits, take the example of Blue Max the difference can be up to $ 15.00 regards Alberto ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 22:22:30 -0400 (AST) From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: HitKit new kits Message-ID: <199608080222.WAA20781@fw.true.net> At 10:04 PM 8/7/96 -0400, you wrote: >Just received four kits from Poland's HitKit. All in 1/72 scale. They are >the the Ansaldo A.1 Balilla with markins for Italian & Polish aircraft. >Contains photoetched wire wheels, radiator (front of engine housing and >some cockpit detail) It is injection moulded and the trailing edges are >thin. It's pretty good to scale. >The Ansaldo is piced at $14.95. >The other three represent the Albatros D.III Offag ser 53/153, 153 & 253. >They also are injection moulded with recesed panel lines and the scale >compares well with the Albatros datafile. Include photoetched parts, wire >wheel inserts, engine mounts cockpit instrument panel, control horns, >radiator panels etc. Decals are provided for quite a few aircraft. The >53/153 includes markins to make one of 12 Ac, including Godwin Brumowski's >all red and all red/mustard sworld camouflage. The camouflage decal is clear >and icludes a patter taht could be used for Linke-Crawford & Kurt Gruber AC. >The 153 includes decals for Eugen Boensch (colorful red arrow with a spade >opening) and other Ac including Brumowski. >The 253 includes includes the sworl fabric decal (slight tonal variation >from Blue Rider and a bit larger) and markins for Navratil , Franz Peter and >Bonsh AC amongts others. Last week I was in Miami and visited Juan at Sopwith Hobbies and had a look at these kits, I found them really good and the quality about as good as I have seen, pity that I don't go for the tiny whiny scale, hope they soon come with something in the true scale. Saludos Alberto ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 96 22:24:31 EDT From: cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) To: wwi Subject: Re: HitKit new kits Message-ID: <199608080224.WAA09354@conted.swann.gatech.edu> Juan, What would you say is the quality of these Polisk kits? Do they look like they would go togther well? How do they compare with, say, Pegaus' latest efforts? TIA. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: 08 Aug 96 12:31:00 EDT From: SDW@qld.mim.com.au To: wwi%pease1.sr.unh.edu@teksup.mim.com.au Subject: RE: FAQ Colors/ Sopwith Hobbies Message-ID: <199608080255.MAA28741@mimmon.mim.com.au> Hi all, regarding the colour mix list presented here >B1 Black 1p Black(HU21) + 1p Silver(HU11) > NOTE: 1-Silver is used for Hanriot and other aircraft that were >"factory dope in silver" at the factory. If the AC model was not factory >doped in silver, do not use silver in the color formula. I'd take this with a grain of salt. The black used on French built aircraft did *not* contain aluminium powder, since UV protection was already as high as possible and the powder cost money and added weight. Also, note that an entirely different dope was used on metal parts, and did not contain aluminium powder either. Aircraft in the French 5 colour paints Source: Project Butterfly, reported in many places, including Scale Models, WW1 Aero and OtF Regards Shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 00:14:03 -0500 (CDT) From: huggins@Onramp.NET (John Huggins) To: wwi Subject: Re: First look of Eduard's skeletal E.III Message-ID: >This little gem came into the shop today! All I can say is "buy one NOW!" I >have yet to open the box but the photos and the photo-etch I could see were >sooo nice. I will open the box on Wed. and get back to ya'll. >Matthew Burchette >P.S. >The price is only $25.98! Not bad if you ask me. Check out Squadron's home page. They have it listed for $19.97. JPH Disclaimer: Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 07:54:04 +0100 (WET DST) From: breuer@itz-koeln.de (Dietmar Breuer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Morane-Saulnier Message-ID: <199608080654.HAA02465@ns.itz-koeln.de> Charles wrote: > > From an advertisement in the January 1996 FSM comes the following >information: > > 1/72 Ilya Mourmets $24.90 > 1/72 Grigorovitch M-5 $5.90 > 1/72 Morane Saulnier I/N $6.90 > 1/72 Polikarpov R-I/DH-9 $6.90 > 1/48 Morane Saulnier H $9.90 > > Prices include 1st class postage. > Well in the USA you really have to pay high prizes. I bought a Ilya Mourmets (1/72, injection moulded, made by Maquette (Russia)) for just 19.80 DM which means approx. $14 (US). Other examples (all 1/72): =20 Eduard strip Fokker E-III app.35DM ($22 (US)); as most other Eduard kits. Resin Junkers J.I app 30DM ($20 (US)); as most other Resin kits. Classic Plane (vac-formed) all but one between 10DM and 20DM= ($7(US)-$14(US)). The AEG GIV is more expensive ;approx. 25 DM ($ 17 (US)). I think Rob is right, the US importer is to blame. Dietmar ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- Dietmar Breuer =20 Informationstechnik-Zentrum K=F6ln Eupener Stra=DFe 150 50933 K=F6ln Tel: 0221 - 49707 24 =20 Fax: 0221 - 49707 12 EMail: breuer@itz-koeln.de =20 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 02:08:33 -0400 From: Mathoo@aol.com To: wwi Subject: New Eduard E. III too neato for words! Message-ID: <960808020831_173817396@emout08.mail.aol.com> I did it! I opened the box today. To tell te truth what you see through the plastic window is what you get. There are two frets of PE and one sprue of plastic. The PE is very well done and the kit is enginered well. It really looks as if it shouldn't be too hard to build. I wouldn't sneeze hard around it though. :) The plastic is not as nice as I would have liked but oh well. This is a kit to build and then put under glass...if ya don't someone will wanna see if the prop spins. Matthew Burchette ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 10:28:27 +0000 From: "Brian Bushe" To: wwi Subject: Re: The FAQ colour guide Message-ID: <199608080930.KAA13410@itl.net> re: Re: The FAQ colour guide > Matt writes: > > I don't think it will work, since it's looking for a uuencoded > > message, and this one was Base64 encoded. Granted, I haven't tried > > it, but logic tells me (UUDecode) that's it's looking for an > > uuencoded message. > > The original message said uuencoding was the trouble (unless I am > suffering one of my frequent mental lapses). For Base64 you > probably need to cruise the free software web sites and usenet groups > for a decoder. Thanks for the help, but I'm Pegasus for Win NT so usually the mailer handles attachments very well. But it couldn't recognise this one so Matt was most probably right! thanks anyway. brian "I sometimes think the surest sign that there is intelligent life out there is the fact none of it has tried to contact us" - Calvin Brian Bushe syclone@itl.net Syclone Systems (44) 1628 789 470 Maidenhead Fax 789 513 Berkshire England ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 07:52:14, -0500 From: NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) To: guy_fogel@internet.uscs.com, wwi Subject: Re: Fokker database Message-ID: <199608081152.HAA16472@mime2.prodigy.com> -- [ From: Kenneth Hagerup * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] -- Guy wrote, > I was on vacation last week so I don't know if there was any more talk of > a > Fokker DVII or Dr1 database... > Was there? > Again, I would be interested in helping with a Dr1 database. As the originator of this scheme, I plan to see what can be done with the Dr.1. I have been gathering the information for future modeling projects. Initially the database will contain the following fields: Serial No. Jasta Dates Location Pilot Engine Propeller Ailerons References A three view camouflage drawing will be included. With a scanned in three view outline drawing in Microsoft Paint, it is not too difficult to cut and paste insignia, and annotate areas of color. Granted, this database will likely never be completely filled out. I'll keep the list post on progress. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 09:04:47 -0400 (EDT) From: amadon@pcix.com (Gerald P. MCOSKER) To: wwi Subject: RE: New Eduard Kit Announced Message-ID: >Shane writes: > >Sounds like the US importer is to blame! Has anyone tried Hannants mailorder from England? Maybe we are getting ripped off. They would probably drop the VAT and if they sent surface???? Gerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 09:04:57 -0400 (EDT) From: amadon@pcix.com (Gerald P. MCOSKER) To: wwi Subject: Re: First look of Eduard's skeletal E.III Message-ID: M. Burchett exults about the new E-III from Eduard- but syas the prix is- >The price is only $25.98! Not bad if you ask me. Check out the Squadron Website- they are advertising it for $19.95. I just orderd one- bientot- Gerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 08:51:14 +0000 From: Rob To: wwi Subject: Re: Fokker database Message-ID: <9608080844.aa17508@scosysv.speechsys.com> Kenneth Hagerup wrote, > Initially the database will contain the following fields: > > Serial No. > Jasta > Dates > Location > Pilot > Engine > Propeller > Ailerons > References > > A three view camouflage drawing will be included. With a scanned in > three view outline drawing in Microsoft Paint, it is not too difficult > to cut and paste insignia, and annotate areas of color. > It might be good to have a field for the type of lozenge camo. cloth, when used. I know Charles Hart has started a database on this subject. Rob, robj@speechsys.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 09:01:30 +0000 From: Rob To: wwi Subject: Re: Color Mix Doc. Message-ID: <9608080854.aa17558@scosysv.speechsys.com> > Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 21:36:26 -0400 > Reply-to: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > From: lfendy@firstsaga.com > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Color Mix Doc. >.... > So as not to crowd the list send your request to me via e-mail: Please send a copy. Thanks. Rob, robj@speechsys.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Aug 96 08:01:43 PST From: stonto@seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu To: wwi Subject: Re: HitKit new kits Message-ID: <9607088395.AA839516646@SCCCGATE.seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu> Is this HiKit? I have a 1/48 Arado Ar96b vacuform with lots of white metal fiddly bits. Also some resin in there. It looks like an interesting kit but I haven't built it yet as vacuform terrifies me. There I said it. ---Stephen Tontoni ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 09:15:17 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: First look of Eduard's skeletal E.III Message-ID: >M. Burchett exults about the new E-III from Eduard- but syas the prix is- >>The price is only $25.98! Not bad if you ask me. >Check out the Squadron Website- they are advertising it for $19.95. >I just orderd one- >bientot- Gerry Maybe we are looking at different Web pages. I fail to find specific mention of this kit anywhere on that site. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Aug 96 08:11:53 PST From: stonto@seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu To: wwi Subject: Re[2]: New Eduard Kit Announced Message-ID: <9607088395.AA839517183@SCCCGATE.seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu> Shane writes: > On the subject of Eduard kit prices, I'm astounded at the complaints from > the USA about Eduard Albatrii costing US$35. Here in Australia, I paid > the equivalent of US $24 each for the three I have - and this is normal > store price, undiscounted. Sounds like the US importer is to blame! As I recall, the Dv that I bought was somewhere between $32 and $35. Maybe the US government has some high tariff on the Czech Republic's imports in order to protect American business from them. Yeah, right... I agree; the importers must be making a pretty penny on this. --Stephen Tontoni ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 08:35:24 -0700 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Fokker database Message-ID: <199608081535.AA14689@ednet1.orednet.org> Rob wrote: >It might be good to have a field for the type of lozenge camo. cloth, >when used. I know Charles Hart has started a database on this >subject. Pretty sure we don't need a field for the lozenge pattern on the Dr.I's unless we're planning on including the replica in "The Blue Max". :-) Cheers, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 09:03:31 -0800 From: John Snyder To: wwi Subject: Query, RMS OLYMPIC, RMS MAURETANIA Message-ID: As a returnee to this particular list, I have a continuing query: I am in the process of modeling the above vessels in their WW1 "dazzle" camouflage schemes. I am seeking information relating to the 2 patterns worn by OLYMPIC, and the pattern worn by MAURETANIA: photos, drawings, color information, etc. I have a number of photos from various publications, a couple of reproduced period posters in color, and a bit of written description of colors on MAURETANIA. I am seeking the following views of these ships in dazzle paint: port side of MAURETANIA; starboard side of OLYMPIC in her first scheme; port side of OLYMPIC in her second scheme. Drawings of the patterns would be most helpful, as would other period descriptions of the colors used. I am in touch with Cunard archives, and am ordering some photos from them. Anyone out there with information - HELP! TIA John Snyder jsnyder@trmx3.dot.ca.gov ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 14:48:30 -0500 From: meba@cso.com To: WW1 Modelers Subject: Fokker D.VIII Query Message-ID: <199608081446.OAA01614@cso.com> I'm thinking of starting the Eduard D.VIII one of these days, and can't decided upon a scheme. Any hints? Definitely has to be war time; none of these pansy post war schemes!! ;-) Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 15:07:10 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: Fokker D.VIII Query Message-ID: Matt writes: >I'm thinking of starting the Eduard D.VIII one of these days, and >can't decided upon a scheme. > >Any hints? Definitely has to be war time; none of these pansy post >war schemes!! ;-) > How about a factory fresh, ex-works finish ??? This could throw the Jasta markings/color police for a loop. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 16:21:39 -0500 (CDT) From: "Joseph J. Gentile, III" To: wwi Subject: Re: Fokker D.VIII Query Message-ID: <199608082121.QAA17524@Walden.MO.NET> At 04:34 PM 8/8/96 -0400, you wrote: >I'm thinking of starting the Eduard D.VIII one of these days, and >can't decided upon a scheme. > >Any hints? Definitely has to be war time; none of these pansy post >war schemes!! ;-) > > >Matt >meba@cso.com > > Aeromaster offers a choice of 4 different a/c, one of course being a Jasta 6 plane without, however the white toothed cowling. One plane of interest is that of F. Altemeir, Jasta 24. This a/c has the black and white ring like graphics on the fueselage just below the cockpit opening as well as a white outlined fueselage. Lozenge covered wheel covers to boot! Joe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 16:14:53 -0500 From: meba@cso.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Fokker D.VIII Query Message-ID: <199608081613.QAA08319@cso.com> On 8 Aug 96 at 17:02, Charles Hart typed diligantly: > How about a factory fresh, ex-works finish ??? > This could throw the Jasta markings/color police for a loop. Ooooo...Sounds good. The perfect thing to do, as well: throw the police for a loop. Hmm...I wonder if there were any that were "pieced" together? ;-) Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 22:10:40 +0000 From: SOPWITH@worldnet.att.net To: wwi Subject: RE: FAQ Colors/ Sopwith Hobbies Message-ID: <19960808221038.AAA21778@LOCALNAME> At 02:34 AM 8/8/96 +0000, you wrote: > >Hi all, > > >regarding the colour mix list presented here > >>B1 Black 1p Black(HU21) + 1p Silver(HU11) >> NOTE: 1-Silver is used for Hanriot and other aircraft that >were >>"factory dope in silver" at the factory. If the AC model was not factory >>doped in silver, do not use silver in the color formula. > > > >I'd take this with a grain of salt. > >The black used on French built aircraft did *not* contain aluminium >powder, since UV protection was already as high as possible and the >powder cost money and added weight. > >Also, note that an entirely different dope was used on metal parts, and >did not contain aluminium powder either. Aircraft in the French 5 colour >paints > >Source: Project Butterfly, reported in many places, including Scale >Models, WW1 Aero and OtF > >Regards > >Shane > Shane you are correct. The only purpose of the black was for those AC that were factory doped in s"silver". If overpainted in black, the silver would have shown up underneath after used in the field. If the AC were not factory doped, don't use silver. Can you share some of your formulas for mixing colors, I'm sure most of us would like to have a color mixture for French AC. Always have problems with differentiating between fabric, wood and metal areas, any hints. Thanks for your response. Juan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 17:57:12 -0500 From: kwenker@interaccess.com (Kevin Wenker) To: wwi Subject: Re: Color Mix Doc. Message-ID: <199608082257.RAA12305@psycfrnd.interaccess.com> Yes, please email at kwenker@AOL.COM thanks Kevin Wenker >The attachment was encoded using MIME, a derivitive of Base64, if you are >using WinCode set the code type manually to "MIME". The file is only 4k in >plain text format. If anyone would like a copy I can e-mail you one. > >So as not to crowd the list send your request to me via e-mail: > >lfendy@firstsaga.com > > >Len > >_ >Answers: $1, Short: $5, Correct: $25, dumb looks are still free. >QWicKeSST - The ultimate database QWK reader, and NO limits. #$678803 >Special Compile: 1.032B (Beta) > >>> Slipstream Jet - The QWK solution for Usenets #$678803 > > > ------------------------------ Date: 09 Aug 96 08:59:00 EDT From: SDW@qld.mim.com.au To: wwi%pease1.sr.unh.edu@teksup.mim.com.au Subject: RE: FAQ Colors/ Sopwith Hobbies Message-ID: <199608082323.JAA00903@mimmon.mim.com.au> Hi Juan you write: >Shane you are correct. The only purpose of the black was for those AC that >were factory doped in "silver". If overpainted in black, the silver would >have shown up underneath after used in the field. If the AC were not factory >doped, don't use silver. I think we are talking at cross purposes. The *factory* black dope didn't have any aluminium in it at all - and so you shouldn't use silver in it at all. And where overpainted in the field, the same is true. >Can you share some of your formulas for mixing colors, I'm sure most of us >would like to have a color mixture for French AC. Always have problems with >differentiating between fabric, wood and metal areas, any hints. They are posted on Alans web site, at http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/0h/misc/color.html You will find that I include silver in the black in those mixes, with a warning that it *may* be incorrect. I have since discovered other reference which exclude the silver and am fairly sure it wasn't used. If you don't have web access, mail me and I'll repost > Thanks for your response. You're welcome, and in return, thanks for your mixes. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 07:33:17 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Fokker database Message-ID: On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, KENNETH L HAGERUP wrote: > As the originator of this scheme, I plan to see what can be done with > the Dr.1. I have been gathering the information for future modeling > projects. Initially the database will contain the following fields: > > A three view camouflage drawing will be included. Good luck and God speed! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 21:05:57 -0700 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: 8 August 1916, Buc Message-ID: <320AB925.275F@host.dmsc.net> Good day. Got out on two flights in early a.m. Went quite aways 2nd & up to 800 metres. Air felt glorious. Wrote long letter to darling Gertrude. What wouldn't I give to have her for my wife now and over here with me! Letters from Patrina Colis & Certificate of my service in Legion from Capt of my Company. Got two good flights in late p.m. Air was delightful. Ate dinner in Buc with the fellows in the evening. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 218 *********************