WWI Digest 216 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: photoetch-SPAD VII by meba@cso.com 2) Re: Sound Off by meba@cso.com 3) Re: Sound Off by aew (Allan Wright) 4) Eduard Albatros C.III kit by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 5) Re: Eduard Albatros C.III kit by Rob 6) New Eduard Kit Announced by cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) 7) Re: New Eduard Kit Announced by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 8) 6 August 1916, Buc by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 9) Re: New Eduard Kit Announced by meba@cso.com 10) Re: New Eduard Kit Announced by Rob 11) Re: New Eduard Kit Announced by bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 12) Re: Eduard Albatros C.III kit by bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 13) RE: New Eduard Kit Announced by SDW@qld.mim.com.au 14) RE: SMS Emden Upgrades by Charles_A._Duckworth@notes.up.com (Charles A. Duckworth) 15) Re: Morane-Saulnier Types N,I,V Datafile 58 by Charles_A._Duckworth@notes.up.com (Charles A. Duckworth) 16) RE: New Eduard Kit Announced by kwenker@interaccess.com (Kevin Wenker) 17) Re: Morane-Saulnier Types N,I,V Datafile 58 by "Valenciano . Jose" 18) Morane-Saulnier by NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) 19) Re: SMS Emden by NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) 20) Re: Morane-Saulnier by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 21) Re: Morane-Saulnier by "Valenciano . Jose" 22) Re: Morane-Saulnier by Alberto Rada 23) Re: Morane-Saulnier by "Valenciano . Jose" 24) The FAQ colour guide by Step by Step Training Development 25) Re: Sound Off by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 26) First look of Eduard's skeletal E.III by Mathoo@aol.com 27) Re: New Eduard Kit Announced by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 28) Re: Sound Off by "Valenciano . Jose" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 07:36:23 -0500 From: meba@cso.com To: wwi Subject: Re: photoetch-SPAD VII Message-ID: <199608060739.HAA10619@cso.com> On 3 Aug 96 at 20:29, Marian Hollinger, Bradley Oma typed diligantly: > Does anyone know of a photoetch detail kit usable with the 1:72 > Airfix SPAD VII? Yes, Eduard does. The catalog number is 72-035. Good luck! Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 07:46:13 -0500 From: meba@cso.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Sound Off Message-ID: <199608060744.HAA11226@cso.com> On 2 Aug 96 at 20:47, Valenciano . Jose typed diligantly: > Jacobs flew an Eindekker? Would want to build it. What were the > colors and markings? Not known, but knowing that Eindecker's were usually *not* marked with personal markings, you could get by with a "standard" E.III, with the following serial numbers: 339/15 608/15 385/16 I have yet to see pictures of any, but my "sources" all claim these are valid serials. If anybody knows where I can find photo's of these, please let me know! (I don't have the S/S Eindecker's In Action yet, so don't know about that source.) Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 10:16:49 -0400 (EDT) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Re: Sound Off Message-ID: <199608061416.KAA23421@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > Not known, but knowing that Eindecker's were usually *not* marked > with personal markings, you could get by with a "standard" E.III, > with the following serial numbers: > > 339/15 > 608/15 > 385/16 > > I have yet to see pictures of any, but my "sources" all claim these > are valid serials. If anybody knows where I can find photo's of > these, please let me know! (I don't have the S/S Eindecker's In > Action yet, so don't know about that source.) I'll check it - I just picked it up. -Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | Rodents of unusual size? I don't think they exist. University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 09:59:15 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Eduard Albatros C.III kit Message-ID: Mark Shannon wrote: >I have the Eduard Albatross C.III kit in my hands. The box art and the >markings placement reference drawing both show some kind of header tank >over the upper mainplane, behind the radiator -- in side view. None is >included in the kit, mentioned in the instructions, shown in the top >view, etc. Albatros has only one s. The tank you mention is, I believe, a gravity fuel tank. There seems to be some variability on how they are mounted, some above, aome below the wing. >So, we come down to that tank on the upper wing. Is it a standard on >Albatross C.III's? None of the others in my references having the same >radiator set-up have one. Is it a Coolant Header tank, and Oil Header, >or some kind of add-on gun tank a la Brandenburg star-strutter. > It is decidedly NOT a gun fitting. >Additionally, Eduard gives you a one-piece upper wing with a brass >fairing to fold around the center section, but virtually all the >Albatross two seaters all had two piece wings with the cabane struts >linking at the, very visible, center join. Is this incorrect? > The wing was built in two pieces and some machines appear to have exposed bracing, etc in this space where the center section struts attach to the wing. A friend of mine from Rocky Mountain IPMS just had one of these at Nationals. He cut the wing apart and scratch built the wing spar fittings for this part of the wing. A very nice model with the dragon running the length of the fuselage. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 10:35:52 +0000 From: Rob To: wwi Subject: Re: Eduard Albatros C.III kit Message-ID: <9608061029.aa28598@scosysv.speechsys.com> Addendum to Charles' comment: >The tank you mention is, I believe, a > gravity fuel tank. There seems to be some variability on how they are > mounted, some above, aome below the wing. Gravity tanks freed the crew of the need to pump fuel to the engine constantly. Most WW1 aircraft have hand pumps in the cokpit for this purpose. Rob, robj@speechsys.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Aug 96 13:42:22 EDT From: cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) To: wwi Subject: New Eduard Kit Announced Message-ID: <199608061742.NAA05890@conted.swann.gatech.edu> Guys, I just got word from someone who was at the IPMS Nats that Eduard, in addition to the Albatros D.III, has announced a Hanriot HD.1 (in 1/48, of course). While it is not a persoanl favorite, I expect others on the list will be interested. Has anyone else heard about this? Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 11:58:17 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: New Eduard Kit Announced Message-ID: >Guys, > I just got word from someone who was at the IPMS Nats that >Eduard, in addition to the Albatros D.III, has announced a Hanriot HD.1 >(in 1/48, of course). While it is not a persoanl favorite, I expect >others on the list will be interested. Has anyone else heard about this? > Carlos This is good news. Now will Eduard see fit to include bits to make the float version (i.e. HD.2) ??? A companion for the Baby. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 14:54:44 -0700 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: 6 August 1916, Buc Message-ID: <3207BF24.6BBE@host.dmsc.net> Fine day, no wind in the early a.m. made excellent flying. Went up twice to 550 metres & a third time to 800 meters. Getting more confident at higher altitudes than I have been before. Letters from Ruth Tuttle. Ate lunch in Buc. Slept part of p.m. Hedin came out to visit us in late p.m. Too windy to fly in evening. I do hope I can make an excellent record here and get on a Spad machine for service at the front. Had supper in village east of school with fellows & all went to Hotel Aviatic afterwards where we played the piano and had some drinks and champagne. Not enough to harm anyone. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 13:38:18 -0500 From: meba@cso.com To: wwi Subject: Re: New Eduard Kit Announced Message-ID: <199608061336.NAA19070@cso.com> On 6 Aug 96 at 13:53, Charles Hart typed diligantly: > This is good news. Now will Eduard see fit to include bits to make > the float version (i.e. HD.2) ??? > A companion for the Baby. If not, I bet if you hum a few bars, Rosemont might...;-) Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 13:33:43 +0000 From: Rob To: wwi Subject: Re: New Eduard Kit Announced Message-ID: <9608061327.aa00442@scosysv.speechsys.com> > On 6 Aug 96 at 13:53, Charles Hart typed diligantly: > > >Now will Eduard see fit to include bits to make > > the float version (i.e. HD.2) ??? My usual gibe: how hard is it to scratchbuild a WW1 float? Oy. Rob, robj@speechsys.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 16:50:45 -0400 (EDT) From: bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: New Eduard Kit Announced Message-ID: <199608062050.QAA12284@ns1.ptd.net> At 01:42 PM 8/6/96 -0400, Carlos Valdes wrote: >Guys, > I just got word from someone who was at the IPMS Nats that >Eduard, in addition to the Albatros D.III, has announced a Hanriot HD.1 >(in 1/48, of course). While it is not a persoanl favorite, I expect >others on the list will be interested. Has anyone else heard about this? > Carlos Could this possibly be???? Christmas in August!!!!! Boy, I hope this is true...I've always wanted to build the HD.1 but don't feel comfortable with the resin or vac kits. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 16:57:58 -0400 (EDT) From: bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Eduard Albatros C.III kit Message-ID: <199608062057.QAA14216@ns1.ptd.net> At 11:55 AM 8/6/96 -0400, Charles Hart wrote: Major deletions > The wing was built in two pieces and some machines appear to have >exposed bracing, etc in this space where the center section struts attach >to the wing. A friend of mine from Rocky Mountain IPMS just had one of >these at Nationals. He cut the wing apart and scratch built the wing spar >fittings for this part of the wing. A very nice model with the dragon >running the length of the fuselage. > >Charles At last, an answer to a question that I was afraid to ask. When I got the Meikraft model a few years ago, I started looking for pictures to use as a guide. I kept thinking that there was an exposed narrow "skylight" but the photos were not consistent. This explanation makes perfect sense to me...now, if I can just get around to working on the model...... Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: 07 Aug 96 07:40:00 EDT From: SDW@qld.mim.com.au To: wwi%pease1.sr.unh.edu@teksup.mim.com.au Subject: RE: New Eduard Kit Announced Message-ID: <199608062204.IAA08470@mimmon.mim.com.au> Yeeeeha!! I hope this is true >> This is good news. Now will Eduard see fit to include bits to make >> the float version (i.e. HD.2) ??? >> A companion for the Baby. >If not, I bet if you hum a few bars, Rosemont might...;-) What, and deprive myself of the simple task of scratchbuilding floats? Thats the trouble with you kiddies nowadays. When *I* was a boy...... (trails off into senile mumblings) hehe, another floatplane.. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 16:55:50 -0500 From: Charles_A._Duckworth@notes.up.com (Charles A. Duckworth) To: wwi Subject: RE: SMS Emden Upgrades Message-ID: <1996Aug05.145649.1155.476680@uprr-internet.notes.up.com> Does anyone make a brass etching set to upgrade the SMS Emden model that Revell issued? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 16:58:52 -0500 From: Charles_A._Duckworth@notes.up.com (Charles A. Duckworth) To: wwi Subject: Re: Morane-Saulnier Types N,I,V Datafile 58 Message-ID: <1996Aug06.050355.1155.476774@uprr-internet.notes.up.com> Al, you might want to update the Website Datafile list with the latest from Ray, I just received the Morane-Saulnier Types N,I,V number 58. 36 pages, 81 photos with lots of text from Mr. Bruce's pen. What's the group's comments on the Eduard Morane Type N in 1/48th? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 17:57:40 -0500 From: kwenker@interaccess.com (Kevin Wenker) To: wwi Cc: wwi Subject: RE: New Eduard Kit Announced Message-ID: <199608062258.RAA29189@psycfrnd.interaccess.com> Shane, when you were a boy, the HD-1 was not even a gleam in someone's eye... >Yeeeeha!! > >I hope this is true > >>> This is good news. Now will Eduard see fit to include bits to >make >>> the float version (i.e. HD.2) ??? >>> A companion for the Baby. > >>If not, I bet if you hum a few bars, Rosemont might...;-) > >What, and deprive myself of the simple task of scratchbuilding floats? > Thats the trouble with you kiddies nowadays. When *I* was a boy...... >(trails off into senile mumblings) > >hehe, another floatplane.. > >Shane > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 07:33:06 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Morane-Saulnier Types N,I,V Datafile 58 Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, Charles A. Duckworth wrote: > What's the group's comments on the Eduard Morane Type N in 1/48th? I've got it. Looks good. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 21:22:47, -0500 From: NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) To: wwi Subject: Morane-Saulnier Message-ID: <199608070122.VAA15630@mime2.prodigy.com> -- [ From: Kenneth Hagerup * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] -- The new datafile lists a 1/72 Morane-Saulnier Type I kit from a Russian company named Temems. Has anyone seen this kit, know where one can be purchased, and care to give a mini-review? Thanks, Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 21:22:49, -0500 From: NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) To: wwi Subject: Re: SMS Emden Message-ID: <199608070122.VAA15648@mime2.prodigy.com> -- [ From: Kenneth Hagerup * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] -- Charlie wrote, >Does anyone make a brass etching set to upgrade the SMS Emden model that Revell issued? Loren Perry's Gold Medal Models makes a set for the Emden. Very nicely done with ladders, railings, ratlines, davits, wheels, oars, et al. Gold Medal Models 12332 Chapman Ave., No. 81 Garden Grove, CA 92640 Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 20:26:27 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: Morane-Saulnier Message-ID: >-- [ From: Kenneth Hagerup * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] -- > >The new datafile lists a 1/72 Morane-Saulnier Type I kit from a Russian >company named Temems. Has anyone seen this kit, know where one can be >purchased, and care to give a mini-review? > There was a guy that used to advertise in the back of FSM several injection Russian made kits, all WWI. His name was Francesca or something like that. He listed the M-S Type I for under $10.00 including post. I'll have to look at home and see if I can find the whole address. I also recall that there was a 1/48 kit of the M-S Type G for a similar price. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 10:34:34 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Morane-Saulnier Message-ID: > There was a guy that used to advertise in the back of FSM several > injection Russian made kits, all WWI. His name was Francesca or something > like that. He listed the M-S Type I for under $10.00 including post. I'll > have to look at home and see if I can find the whole address. I also > recall that there was a 1/48 kit of the M-S Type G for a similar price. Wrote him once. He offers a discount if you buy more than one. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 23:20:57 -0400 (AST) From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Morane-Saulnier Message-ID: <199608070320.XAA00561@fw.true.net> At 10:29 PM 8/6/96 -0400, you wrote: > >> There was a guy that used to advertise in the back of FSM several >> injection Russian made kits, all WWI. His name was Francesca or something >> like that. He listed the M-S Type I for under $10.00 including post. I'll >> have to look at home and see if I can find the whole address. I also >> recall that there was a 1/48 kit of the M-S Type G for a similar price. > >Wrote him once. He offers a discount if you buy more than one. > Do you have the address or fax Saludos Alberto ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 11:46:30 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Morane-Saulnier Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, Alberto Rada wrote: > >> There was a guy that used to advertise in the back of FSM several > >> injection Russian made kits, all WWI. His name was Francesca or something > > > >Wrote him once. He offers a discount if you buy more than one. > > > Do you have the address or fax Yes, at home. I'll post it a day from now. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 12:01:41 +0800 From: Step by Step Training Development To: wwi Subject: The FAQ colour guide Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19960807123847.54770eae@mail.iinet.net.au> Hi all Could the kind soul who posted the colour guide in us-asciii format please tell us how to decode this baby????? I know it's a Word Perfect document but..... Thanks Michael Cornforth sbstd@iinet.com.au "Free advice is seldom free" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 23:31:12 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: Sound Off Message-ID: >On Fri, 2 Aug 1996 meba@cso.com wrote: > >> Sure, Eduard's brass is great, but I >> would rather build Jacobs' E.III complete then as a framework. > to which Joey responded: >Jacobs flew an Eindekker? Would want to build it. What were the colors and >markings? > The lead article in Cross & Cockade International v.27 #2 (just published) is titled "Kobes in Feldflieger-Abteilung 11" by Stephen Lawson. This section of the Jacobs diary covers his flying experiences during 1915 and early 1916, during which time he did fly Eindekkers. Steve did not use any photos of Eindekkers in this piece that are known to have been flown by Jacobs, so I would think that these machines aren't documented with pictures. Fortunately Steve lives just down the road a ways. I'll be seeing him later this week, so I will ask if he has any further information and possible photo sources. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 01:42:13 -0400 From: Mathoo@aol.com To: wwi Subject: First look of Eduard's skeletal E.III Message-ID: <960807014212_173545065@emout16.mail.aol.com> This little gem came into the shop today! All I can say is "buy one NOW!" I have yet to open the box but the photos and the photo-etch I could see were sooo nice. I will open the box on Wed. and get back to ya'll. Matthew Burchette P.S. The price is only $25.98! Not bad if you ask me. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 23:52:17 -0700 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: New Eduard Kit Announced Message-ID: <199608070652.AA27412@ednet1.orednet.org> Carlos typed: >Guys, > I just got word from someone who was at the IPMS Nats that >Eduard, in addition to the Albatros D.III, has announced a Hanriot HD.1 >(in 1/48, of course). While it is not a persoanl favorite, I expect >others on the list will be interested. Has anyone else heard about this? > Carlos and, Matthew typed: (regarding the 'skeleton' kits) >This little gem came into the shop today! All I can say is "buy one NOW!" I >have yet to open the box but the photos and the photo-etch I could see were >sooo nice. I will open the box on Wed. and get back to ya'll. >Matthew Burchette >P.S. >The price is only $25.98! Not bad if you ask me. Oh, yippee! I wonder if my banker will go for a second mortgage? Sigh! I suppose its just an old man's grumpiness but I remember when I could buy the Aurora WW1 kits for seventy-nine cents and the Revell Three-in-one Collectors' Kits for a buck. Thirty-five freaking bucks for an Eduard Albatros D.III kit? No freaking way, Jose! Pardon me if I pass on these babies. But, I'll probably regret it if I pass so I'll probably buy 'em anyway. But just -why- should $3 of materials (including the box, instruction sheet, and decals) cost twenty-five or thirty-five freaking dollars? OK, I give up! I'll call my banker in the morning. :-) But if we could convince Revell-o-gram to do WW1, (I mean -really- do!) we could get twice the kit for half the money! Cheers -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 15:28:35 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Sound Off Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, Charles Hart wrote: > >Jacobs flew an Eindekker? Would want to build it. What were the colors and > >markings? > (snip) ... Fortunately Steve lives just down the road a ways. I'll be > seeing him later this week, so I will ask if he has any further information > and possible photo sources. Thanks! ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 216 *********************