WWI Digest 21 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) re: latest FSM - IPMS meeting by The Flying Wrench 2) Re: Re[2]: Methuen Handbook electronic copy by The Flying Wrench 3) Cone-de-penetration by modlctzn@pacificrim.net (Mike Franklin) 4) Attaching Previous Posts by Charles Stephanian 5) Re[2]: latest FSM - IPMS meeting by stonto@seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu 6) Re: Re[2]: latest FSM - IPMS meeting by "Matt Bittner" 7) Re: Re[2]: Methuen Handbook electronic copy by mindseye@mail.coretech.com (Phil Kirchmeier) 8) Re: Re[2]: latest FSM - IPMS meeting by The Flying Wrench 9) Re: Re[2]: latest FSM - IPMS meeting by modlctzn@pacificrim.net (Mike Franklin) 10) Re: Glenco Pfalz DIII review by gspring@ix.netcom.com (Greg Springer ) 11) Re: Revell 1/28 Fokker DVII by gspring@ix.netcom.com (Greg Springer ) 12) Re: Re[2]: latest FSM - IPMS meeting by Jose Valenciano 13) Re: Blue Max Kits? by Jose Valenciano 14) Re: Revell 1/28 Fokker DVII by The Flying Wrench 15) Resin kits by Jim Elkins 16) Re: Resin kits by mindseye@mail.coretech.com (Phil Kirchmeier) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:19:30 -0900 From: The Flying Wrench To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: re: latest FSM - IPMS meeting Message-ID: <199602022019.LAA00925@anchor> At 12:07 PM 2/2/96 -0500, stonto@seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu wrote: > I just got the latest Fine Scale Modeler, and yeah it seems > pretty light. Kind of a teaser. The newsgroup > rec.models.scale and this listserv were not mentioned which > is sad; this is where the questions are answered. > > (hmmmm; sounds like we all ought to write letters to that > effect) > > In addition to that, this is a very interactive and ACTIVE > modelling community. A lot more ideas get tossed around here > and in rec.models.scale than at our IPMS meetings. > I just attended my first IPMS meeting last night. Perhaps it is just Alaska, where one of the first bits of wisdom I heard upon my arrival was "Everyone in Alaska is a misfit". But the local chapter of the IPMS - what a lunar group! My first impression was that many, not all, but many, of these folks make the computer groups of space cadets, you know those folks with the propellers on their beanies, look like the board of regents at Oxford University. It is scary to think there are people like this roaming the streets without supervision. It also detracts from the group as a whole. One of the members is a professional modelers that has examples of his work at various museum throughout the country. Another is an award winning diorama builder. Because of the overall representation of the group, I'm not sure if I want to associate with such folks although there is much to be learned by association with some of the more knowledgeable members. We'll see, we'll see. "The Flyin' Wrench" Admiration, n. Our polite recgonition of another's resemblance to ourselves. Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary, - 1906 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:24:27 -0900 From: The Flying Wrench To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Re[2]: Methuen Handbook electronic copy Message-ID: <199602022024.LAA01043@anchor> At 10:08 AM 2/2/96 -0500, STEVE HUSTAD wrote: > >To the list; > >What in the world does the below correspondence have to do with modeling >(this forum's purpose), or the Methuen Handbook of colour (the supposed >subject line)? Geeez! >Steve H. >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>Strange you should ask. I've been considering purchasing one because >>some of the Service Bureaus in my area are starting to use them. > >I highly recommend the zip. I illustrate using both platforms, and I find >the zip drive invaluable to both the mac and pc. > >>In the meantime I believe a friend of mine had mentioned that she was >>going to buy a zip drive. If so, she may allow me to do the transfer >>that way. I'll ask, she's out of town for about another week, when she >>returns. > >That would be great. email me and I'll forward a disk to you. Is your friend >using a powerpc mac? That way I could send either format-disk to you. Ya >know....what (just for the hell of it) would be possability of stuffing the >files and emailing them to me? think you can compress it to a managable size >using jpegs? >TIA >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Note: I origanally wrote this in response to your comment. But I thought no one noticed this thread. At 11:36 PM 1/30/96 -0500, Phil Kirchmeier wrote: >Anthony: > >>I would expect the interested party to provide me with a blank Syquest >>44meg cartridge, and postage/handling both directions for a copy. > >Do you use a zip drive by any chance? >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Wha . . .? Did the Gotha actually use a Syquest 44meg. cartridge? Was it a Bernoulli or tape? What good is a blank 44 cartridge? Perhaps it was used to scare the pigeons off the runway before takeoff. Zip drive? Wasn't this seceret weapon installed on the Humbly-Pudge After the Germans realized the potential of the British zip drive the war war of 1928 was cancelled - or so goes the rumor. Clearly Phil's knowledge of WWI aerial weaponry is far beyond my meager level. (I know its corney but it's late and . . . . Awwww what the heck. I'm going to bed. "The Flying Wrench" Once upon a time, many years ago, I found an old old plane, a buried in the snow I brushed snow from the windscreen, to see inside the plane, and much to my distress I saw me, a starin' back again. Inside the old old cockpit, gleamed a glassy eye, frozen in the socket, of the airplane's frozen guy, I saw myself a starin, looking back at me with dread, The pilot he said nothing, for he was all too dead, But never could I run, my feet would not make haste, Now there's two of us a starin', in that frozen place. So if you go a huntin, for an old, old, plane, never go a starin' - you might never leave again. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 12:37:28 -0800 From: modlctzn@pacificrim.net (Mike Franklin) To: wwi Subject: Cone-de-penetration Message-ID: <199602022037.MAA17244@olympic.pacificrim.net> It was written by someone Well, as Charles previously pointed out, it is a cone de penetration, not a spinner, but like you, I'm a little mystified just exactly -how- that was supposed to work. I've never seen a schematic drawing showing how it was supposed to be cobbled together or just -how- it could remain stationary in front of the prop and rotating engine. Enlightenment, anyone? Bill F replied Well, in effect it was -- it was mounted on the stationary crankcase of the rotary engine, thus permitting it to remain stationary while the propellar and cylinders whirled. I now chime in I think you should replace the word "crankcase" above with "crankshaft" in the sentence above. The rear of the crankshaft was firmly attached to the airframe and surrounded by a ball bearing which fitted into the rear face of the crankcase. This portion of the crankshaft was hollow to allow the fuel/air/lubrication mixture into the crankcase. The front end of the crankshaft fit into a bearing in the front face of the crankcase which provided support and thus allowed the entire crankcase and cylinders to revolve, supported by the two bearings, fore and aft. The propeller was attached to an extension off the front of the crankcase. A simple shaft extending foreward from the crankshaft, through the propeller attachment extension would remain stationary and provide the maunting for the cone-de-whatchamacallit. Such drawings and diagrams I have show this propeller mounting extension to be hollow in any case. I hope this confuses everyone sufficiently, Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------- | _________________________|__________________________ | | | \ | / | | | "BEWARE THE PUN | ______\_O_O_/______ | | | IN THE SUN!" | / \ | | | annon. | (((((((+))))))) | | | ______|____________\_____/_____________|______ | | / \ | | []/_______\[] | | [] [] | | Mike Franklin is modlctzn@pacificrim.net | ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 12:58:55 -0800 (PST) From: Charles Stephanian To: wwi Subject: Attaching Previous Posts Message-ID: May I offer a suggestion....when responding to a post, unless it's really necessary, consider if it's appropiate to include the *full* text of the post you're responding to. Sometimes just the relevant parts can be included or the original can be edited to a concise statement. It seems that often the original post, the entire text, is included for no readily apparent reason Just a suggestion, please no flames..... Charles Stephanian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Feb 96 13:11:27 PST From: stonto@seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu To: wwi Subject: Re[2]: latest FSM - IPMS meeting Message-ID: <9601028232.AA823295596@SCCCGATE.seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu> I just attended my first IPMS meeting last night. Perhaps it is just Alaska, where one of the first bits of wisdom I heard upon my arrival was "Everyone in Alaska is a misfit". Where isn't everyone a misfit? Certainly not in Seattle. The motto here is "I disagree on principle." But the local chapter of the IPMS - what a lunar group! My first impression was that many, not all, but many, of these folks make the computer groups of space cadets, you know those folks with the propellers on their beanies, look like the board of regents at Oxford University. It is scary to think there are people like this roaming the streets without supervision. It also detracts from the group as a whole. The field of modelling, except for Cindy Crawford, etc tends to draw the geeky type. There's no denying it. On the other hand there are non-geeks who do it too. Which modeller is it that everyone notices? (including the Wrench (1), Flying Type) Aberrent behavior gets more press, right? When I go to the IPMS meetings (what if it weren't International; I'd attend PMS Seattle meetings.....) I pick and choose who I talk to, deal with etc etc. Ramble ramble ramble; now I have to go back to work. -----Stephen Tontoni ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 15:35:56 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: wwi Subject: Re: Re[2]: latest FSM - IPMS meeting Message-ID: <199602021624.QAA13633@cso.com> > The field of modelling, except for Cindy Crawford, etc tends > to draw the geeky type. There's no denying it. On the other > hand there are non-geeks who do it too. Which modeller is it > that everyone notices? (including the Wrench (1), Flying > Type) Aberrent behavior gets more press, right? I tend to agree that our field draws a certain "geek" element. The only other field I can think of that's worse is the computer programming group. As it is, I'm part of both fields, so I guess I'm a "double geek", or twice as much as everone else...;-) And we have our share of geeks as well. The rest of the group considers me the biggest, because I'm the only one who seriously models WW1. The most comments I get is when I decide not to build WW1: everyone wants to know why I built it, "since it doesn't have two wings". > When I go to the IPMS meetings (what if it weren't > International; I'd attend PMS Seattle meetings.....) I pick > and choose who I talk to, deal with etc etc. There's the point. If there's someone I don't want to talk to, I won't. However, I sometimes do get stuck talking to them when they approach me. I'm just too much of a nice guy to say "back off, jerk!" ;-) > Ramble ramble ramble; now I have to go back to work. Hmm...Work here is almost over... Matt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 18:54:29 +0000 From: mindseye@mail.coretech.com (Phil Kirchmeier) To: wwi Subject: Re: Re[2]: Methuen Handbook electronic copy Message-ID: <1388835227-1242726@mail.coretech.com> steve h Um, EXCUSSSSSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEEEEE me mr. Sharpie! But your seeing the reply to a previous post about the accusition of the Methuen Handbook of Colour over the net (a WWI related reference book I might add!). Maybe if you had read all your mail in recent days or maybe still, if you just had a clue, you might have: A.) watched for the end result on how everyone on this LIST could have recieved it, or B.) realized it was the middle of a correspondence you had no interest in and did the mature thing and just TRASHED it. Have a nice day slick! >To the list; > >What in the world does the below correspondence have to do with modeling >(this forum's purpose), or the Methuen Handbook of colour (the supposed >subject line)? Geeez! >Steve H. > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>Strange you should ask. I've been considering purchasing one because >>some of the Service Bureaus in my area are starting to use them. > >I highly recommend the zip. I illustrate using both platforms, and I find >the zip drive invaluable to both the mac and pc. > >>In the meantime I believe a friend of mine had mentioned that she was >>going to buy a zip drive. If so, she may allow me to do the transfer >>that way. I'll ask, she's out of town for about another week, when she >>returns. > >That would be great. email me and I'll forward a disk to you. Is your friend >using a powerpc mac? That way I could send either format-disk to you. Ya >know....what (just for the hell of it) would be possability of stuffing the >files and emailing them to me? think you can compress it to a managable size >using jpegs? >TIA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Phil Kirchmeier MindsEye Illustration mindseye@mail.cortech.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 15:13:32 -0900 From: The Flying Wrench To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Re[2]: latest FSM - IPMS meeting Message-ID: <199602030013.PAA08920@anchor> I'd attend PMS Seattle meetings.....) I pick > and choose who I talk to, deal with etc etc. > The Wrench mulls over the situation: PMS - Hmmmmm, might just the problem, perhaps I went to a PMS meeting. Only confusing part was there were no women there, just men. Oh wait, now I get it, I see what you mean, Plastic Modelers Society - PMS - Yes, Ok, I really knew what you meant all along. Never mind. "The Flyin' Wrench" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 16:49:14 -0800 From: modlctzn@pacificrim.net (Mike Franklin) To: wwi Subject: Re: Re[2]: latest FSM - IPMS meeting Message-ID: <199602030049.QAA10858@olympic.pacificrim.net> > I'd attend PMS Seattle meetings.....) I pick >> and choose who I talk to, deal with etc etc. >> > >The Wrench mulls over the situation: > > >Oh wait, now I get it, I see what you mean, Plastic Modelers Society - PMS >- Yes, Ok, I really knew what you meant all along. > >Never mind. Around these parts we thought IPMS was the Infamous Perverted Mens Society. That's what they told me, anyway. Who am I to question these things? Later. Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------- | _________________________|__________________________ | | | \ | / | | | "BEWARE THE PUN | ______\_O_O_/______ | | | IN THE SUN!" | / \ | | | annon. | (((((((+))))))) | | | ______|____________\_____/_____________|______ | | / \ | | []/_______\[] | | [] [] | | Mike Franklin is modlctzn@pacificrim.net | ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 17:00:30 -0800 From: gspring@ix.netcom.com (Greg Springer ) To: wwi Subject: Re: Glenco Pfalz DIII review Message-ID: <199602030100.RAA01915@ix13.ix.netcom.com> Jesse wrote: > >All right, what FST skit is this from: "I couldn't stand on my head to >give you a better deal. That's Duke of Madness Motors..."? > Uh, the Duke of Madness Motors skit starring Alistair Crowley? ;^) On the 'Dear Friends' CD now leaving on track 23. "We're all a little shorter than we used to be." Cheers! Greg (A charter member of The Scale Effect Gang.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 17:24:54 -0800 From: gspring@ix.netcom.com (Greg Springer ) To: wwi Subject: Re: Revell 1/28 Fokker DVII Message-ID: <199602030124.RAA07288@ix2.ix.netcom.com> Hi Tim! You wrote: Snip! >What needs to be fixed re: the fuselage frame? I'll admit I'm not an >expert on DVII interiors. I was planning to put a real fuel pump on the >starboard side as opposed to that wierd flat thing. By real I mean >something more three dimensional, before any smart alecs respond with >"Wouldn't a real pump be too big?" Well, I'd have prefered the frame molded seperately. I'll build one up from Evergreen plastic rod for a more realistic appearance. Snip! >What about various wiring and tubing (gizmology) on the engine? I have >detailed WWII aircraft in this fashion, but not WWI types. Is there a good >profile showing interior guts/hints for this? I don't know of any but it's got to be pretty simple. >This is wierd. I bought my DVII in Germany (came to about $20.00 US) My >plans say the underside colors are light green. I must admit this sounds >really odd to me. Does your kit say they are to be light blue, which makes >more sense? > I was working from the centerfold profile of this scheme which is in the old Osprey Airwar #17 'German Fighter Units June 1917-1918'. That illustration shows the undersides light blue. The notes say that this was a common feature of OAW-built DVIIs. Hope this helps. Cheers! Greg ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 10:41:28 +0800 (HKT) From: Jose Valenciano To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Re[2]: latest FSM - IPMS meeting Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Feb 1996, The Flying Wrench wrote: > PMS - Hmmmmm, might just the problem, perhaps I went to a PMS meeting. Only > confusing part was there were no women there, just men. > > Oh wait, now I get it, I see what you mean, Plastic Modelers Society - PMS > - Yes, Ok, I really knew what you meant all along. Based on how you regard these people, do you really want to mingle with such nefarious characters? ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 10:57:25 +0800 (HKT) From: Jose Valenciano To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Blue Max Kits? Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Feb 1996 SCLexicat@aol.com wrote: > Just picked up the Fab 96 issue of Scale Aiation Modeller (the one that can't > spell) and they have a very positive review of the Blue Max Spad VII.C.I The > reviewer is relative ly new to WWI modelling (like me) so neither of us can > say too much about ultimate accuracy apart from the point that to him and me > it looks like a Spad. However, from teh very clear photos it seems like a I personally have not read such good news from elsewhere, some folks comparing Blue Max's other products more favorably than the Spad 7. This prompted me to avoid making the plane. I did see an example in one of the hobby shops here. It looked ok in all respects but if I remember right the only gripe I could find was the surface detail of the wings. They were smooth (no inter rib undulation), and ribs were represented by narrow raised "strips" like what you might see on most vacs today. Mind you, based on the "right here, right now" theory, I would have bought the thing. But the shop had it on reserve for someone else. Maybe someone can put in a few words (a construction review) regarding the kit? ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 23:27:57 -0900 From: The Flying Wrench To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Revell 1/28 Fokker DVII Message-ID: <199602030827.XAA28169@anchor> At 08:23 PM 2/2/96 -0500, Greg Springer wrote: >Hi Tim! >You wrote: > >This is wierd. I bought my DVII in Germany (came to about $20.00 US) The Wrench inquires: What do you consider wierd? The fact that it cost $20 in Germany and $30 in the US? Or the fact that you purchased the kit in Germany. Why would you consider either of these to be wierd? "The Flyin' Wrench" I fly myself through time and space, And generally travel at a fitful pace. Someday I'll stop, I know I will, But until then I can't be still, So fly I must until the end, Then I'll start all over again. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Feb 1996 04:41:04 From: Jim Elkins To: wwi Subject: Resin kits Message-ID: <199602031041.FAA08080@mail-e1b.gnn.com> I am contemplating a Czechmaster H.B. W29 and have a question about resin kits in general. Are they moulded as injection kits are (i.e. fuselage halves to be glued together or a single fuselage piece?) Is the cockpit area open or need to be drilled out? Any cockpit detail at all? And last, but not least, the best tool to clean the resin 'flash'. (sandpaper / Dremel tool?) Thanks alot! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 12:57:34 +0000 From: mindseye@mail.coretech.com (Phil Kirchmeier) To: wwi Subject: Re: Resin kits Message-ID: <1388770242-324397@mail.coretech.com> To the "list": These general resin questions are answered using a knowledge base of building resin in several subject areas, not * just* WWI. This disclamer is supplied for those individuals who conceren themselves about "subject purity". A fellow modeler wrote: >I am contemplating a Czechmaster H.B. W29 and have a question about >resin kits in general. Are they moulded as injection kits are >(i.e. fuselage halves to be glued together or a single fuselage >piece?) Is the cockpit area open or need to be drilled out? >Any cockpit detail at all? And last, but not least, the best tool >to clean the resin 'flash'. (sandpaper / Dremel tool?) I can't comment on Czehmaster kits specifically, but in general all your questions are yes and no. I've built several resin kits and find they run the gamut. Each manufacturer designs his molds diffentely. Some will mold parts in halves such as their injection molded cousins, others will utilize a one piece solid construction (ie one piece fuselage, one piece wings) and still others will use a combination of the two. Again with cockpits as with molding, the level of work and detail also run the gamut. Some manufactures supply every detail you'll need, yet others' kits will require some scratchbuilding . The WWI resin kits I have on the whole, are exquisitly molded and detailed, these hail from France and Japan. I find that wet/dry sandpaper is a much safer tool for taking away materal. Resin is a very soft material and with powered sanding devices its easy to remove too much. However I will use a dremel tool with a sanding drum, to rough-remove thick mold runners, then finish up with sandpaper. The key is to use plenty of water when sanding. This will improve the bite of the sandpaper, and help keep the airbourne dust to a minimun. A word of warnig, use a dust mask when sanding. Like so many elements in this hobby, resin dust can be hazerdous. The particles sucked into your lungs do not go away. Accumulated over time it could cause some serious health problems. I hope this answers some of your questions. Phil K. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 21 ********************