WWI Digest 209 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Off topic ponderment by MEBA@cso.com 2) RE: Off topic ponderment by "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" 3) Re: Off topic ponderment by Robert Johnson 4) RE: Off topic ponderment by SDW@qld.mim.com.au 5) RE: Unfinished models - new danger!! by SDW@qld.mim.com.au 6) Golden Age by Brian N 7) Re: Czech Master's masters by "Ray Boorman" 8) RE: Off topic ponderment by Erik Pilawskii 9) Re: Re[2]: Unfinished models by "Stuart L. Malone" 10) RE: Golden Age by SDW@qld.mim.com.au 11) RE: Golden Age by Robert Johnson 12) Re: IPMS-USA Con Report by smh@iapc.net 13) Re: New Member by NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) 14) Re: Unfinished models by NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) 15) Re: Re[2]: Lindberg SE-5a by gspring@ix.netcom.com (Greg Springer) 16) Re: by gspring@ix.netcom.com (Greg Springer) 17) Re: WWI in Air by "Valenciano . Jose" 18) Re: your mail by "Valenciano . Jose" 19) Re: IPMS-USA Con Report by denatale@nando.net (Rick DeNatale) 20) Re: WWI in Air by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 21) Re: IPMS-USA Con Report by lfendy@firstsaga.com 22) Re: Lindberg SE-5a by bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 23) Re: Lindberg SE-5a by "Valenciano . Jose" 24) Re: by Erik Pilawskii 25) Re: IPMS-USA Con Report by huggins@Onramp.NET (John Huggins) 26) Re: IPMS-USA Con Report by huggins@Onramp.NET (John Huggins) 27) Re: IPMS-USA Con Report by "S.M. Head" 28) Re: Airmodel models in local hobby store. by "Brian Bushe" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 15:53:36 -0500 From: MEBA@cso.com To: WW1 Modelers Subject: Off topic ponderment Message-ID: <199607311552.PAA20287@cso.com> I was wondering. With all the activity that goes on here about between the war subjects, I wonder what the feasibility is of starting a "Golden Age" list would be? Unfortunately, I don't have the software, but was just wondering. Sorry, Steve. ;-) Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 17:04:20 -0400 (EDT) From: "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" To: wwi Subject: RE: Off topic ponderment Message-ID: <960731170420.2341a538@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU> Hey, Steve, do you know something I don't know? I thought that World War I aviation was/is/will be "the golden age." Did I miss something? PK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 15:32:02 +0000 From: Robert Johnson To: wwi Subject: Re: Off topic ponderment Message-ID: <9607311526.aa22550@scosysv.speechsys.com> Matt writes: > I was wondering. With all the activity that goes on here about > between the war subjects, I wonder what the feasibility is of > starting a "Golden Age" list would be? I'd be interested if someone would do it. Rob, robj@speechsys.com. ------------------------------ Date: 01 Aug 96 08:05:00 EDT From: SDW@qld.mim.com.au To: wwi%pease1.sr.unh.edu@teksup.mim.com.au Subject: RE: Off topic ponderment Message-ID: <199607312229.IAA21639@mimmon.mim.com.au> Hey, hey HEY, > was wondering. With all the activity that goes on here about >between the war subjects, I wonder what the feasibility is of >starting a "Golden Age" list would be? Wake up guys. This is getting disgusting. Next thing someone will start a ..... NO. NO I WON'T SAY IT. A list for builders of German fighter planes of that OTHER conflict. Yours in absolute disgust Shane sotto voce (Oh, and by the way, count me in, I love those yellow winged bipes and shiny aluminium Hawkers) ------------------------------ Date: 01 Aug 96 08:05:00 EDT From: SDW@qld.mim.com.au To: wwi%pease1.sr.unh.edu@teksup.mim.com.au Subject: RE: Unfinished models - new danger!! Message-ID: <199607312229.IAA21636@mimmon.mim.com.au> Matt et al, Back (briefly i hope) to the subject of the Pegasus roland D.II >I did not use the kit seat nor the kit control column. Both are >wrong. For the seat I used the Fotocut backs with a plastic sheet >seat. For the control column, I modified one of the Tom's Modelworks >column tops, and placed it on the appropriate thickness sprue. Almost, likewise, though I remade the stick because of a regretable incident involving a 2 year old son. And now to the crux of a very serious beef I have with Herr Bittner Why the heck did youi have to say this !!! > I would also venture in saying that the supplied landing gear struts are too long >as well I never took much notice of the undercart, but it never looked too long to me. So after your words I went to the Datafile and check versus the drawings. A little time calculating true lengths reveal that Pegasus agree *exactly* with Ian Stair. Some more time with dividers, proportional rules and calculator lead me to believe he has the drawings substantially correct. And yet... On reflection the undercarriage _doesn't_ look entirely correct. So off it came. Aaaaaauuuggghhhh ! (to quote Lucy) The error is at the base of the undercarriage V, in that the "flat" is somewhat too long. This makes the angle beteen the struts too acute, and leads to a stalkier than correct appearance and the wheels being too far aft (I had yet to spot that since that was about all I still had to do) Nothing for it but to make a new undercarriage. Thanks a lot Matt ;-) Shane (blasted munchkin planes, mumble mumble) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 96 18:18:12 EDT From: Brian N To: Subject: Golden Age Message-ID: <199607312216.SAA26652@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Cool List idea! Since my favorite plane did fly in the 1930's, I can go on and on about MESSERSCHMITT Bf 109s all I want. GREAT!! Brian ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 14:49:12 -0700 From: "Ray Boorman" To: , "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: Re: Czech Master's masters Message-ID: <199607312218.PAA28095@cessna.lynx.bc.ca> How many manufacturers copy Czech Master's moulds? Don't they mind? It seems to me that if this was a big manufacturer there would be lawsuits all over the place? I guess its our gain but you kind of feel sorry for whoever is behind Czech Master's. Ray Boorman (rboorman@lynx.bc.ca) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 15:20:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Erik Pilawskii To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Off topic ponderment Message-ID: > Wake up guys. This is getting disgusting. Next thing someone will start a > .... > > NO. NO I WON'T SAY IT. A list for builders of German fighter planes of > that OTHER conflict. Ooooooooohhh, NO! Anyone goes and starts a mailer list on the Bf.*09 and I will immediately subscribe anonymously and flood the group with threads about the BE.2c!!!! Anyone actually mentioning a variant produced after 1937 will be flamed mercilessly! ;^) ...I figure that will last about 24 hrs. until I'm deleted, and anonymous posts are blocked. Then, I'll subscribe under Matt's name...! Cheers, Erik >;^/ :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: "...Then lobbest Thou thy Holy Hand-grenade of Antioc towards thy Foe, who, not being in My sight, shall snuff it...." "...AMEN...." .............................................................................. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 17:31:31 -0500 From: "Stuart L. Malone" To: wwi Subject: Re: Re[2]: Unfinished models Message-ID: <31FFDEC3.41A3@sound.net> > >This was just the seeder I needed to ask a question and start a new > thread. > >Matt recently asked what everyone is working on. Now I want to know, > what's > >the last model everyone *finished*, and when did you finish it? Last night I completed the vacWings DFW T28 in 1/72. This one turned out so nice I would like to rig it. I know this subject was beat into the ground a month or two ago, but I'll ask again, what are people's opinions on rigging material? Better yet, does anyone know where to find .010" or smaller piano wire, or guitar string? (I'm not very good at point to point with monofilament and keeping it taught). Stuart L. Malone ------------------------------ Date: 01 Aug 96 08:27:00 EDT From: SDW@qld.mim.com.au To: wwi%pease1.sr.unh.edu@teksup.mim.com.au Subject: RE: Golden Age Message-ID: <199607312248.IAA22375@mimmon.mim.com.au> Now you gone and done it Brian ! >Since my favorite plane did fly in the 1930's, I can go on >and on about MESSERSCHMITT Bf 109s all I want. WW1 finished on 11-11-18 and the golden age finished with the first flight of the horrible (aircraft mentioned above, don't blame me ;-) Shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 16:39:08 +0000 From: Robert Johnson To: wwi Subject: RE: Golden Age Message-ID: <9607311633.aa23223@scosysv.speechsys.com> Shane writes: > the golden age finished with the first flight of the horrible > aircraft mentioned above [Bf 109] But this only got horrible when it acquired a metal propellor with too many blades. Rob, robj@speechsys.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 18:46:55 -0400 From: smh@iapc.net To: wwi Subject: Re: IPMS-USA Con Report Message-ID: <9607311746.aa02549@mail.iapc.net> >I didn't mean that there were 44 models on the table, just that >a collection of 44 models would count as ONE entry out of the 2012. >The tables (plural) that made up the SCW collection were full. This was >one BIG collection. Yes, there were a lot of scratch-built models, it >looked like they grabbed the Putnam on Spanish Civil War aircraft >and went from there. They may not have done everything, but >they sure as heck made one good effort. I don't know how >many modelers were involved, but the standard in all was rather >even (good!) - nothing horribly worse than another, which is so >hard to do in a group model effort. I hope FSM features it >in their convention coverage - I'm sure the IPMS Journal will >have at least one shot. >Sorry for the confusion, perhaps someone else who was there >has a number count on all the models in that entry? >Brian I hate to be critical, but I've seen that collection at just about every Region Six contest in the past two years. I gotta hand it to the guy, he did a lot of work, but even so, from a judging standpoint there is a lot of variance in overall quality and accuracy here. If the guy can scratchbuild a lockheed vega, he ought to be able to fill seams on a hasegawa 109. Efforts are admirable, but we just couldn't find the collection to be of outstanding quality. I certainly don't want to be too critical here, anyone who takes it upon himself to build entire airforces in scale is certainly deserving of some recognition, but this collection really had some major glitches. Did he win anything at Nats? Just curious, and forgive my tirade- I mean no harm! Cheers, Scott Head smh@iapc.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 19:21:34, -0500 From: NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) To: wwi Subject: Re: New Member Message-ID: <199607312321.TAA15720@mime2.prodigy.com> -- [ From: Kenneth Hagerup * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] -- John, Welcome aboard. The list members are extraordinarily helpful in all things WWI. I will add a small not of caution, however: stray too far from the proper era and suffer the wrath of the purists. Ken "Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 19:21:35, -0500 From: NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) To: wwi Subject: Re: Unfinished models Message-ID: <199607312321.TAA29300@mime2.prodigy.com> -- [ From: Kenneth Hagerup * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] -- Last model finished: Argentinean A-4P, converted from the ESCI A-4F with IPMS A-4B/C parts Last WWI modelfinished: Revell Dr.1 in Jabobs back up plane's markings Model closest to completion: Captured ID4 Alien Fighter (I know, I know...) WWI models closest to completion: Airfix Mk II tank, Blue Rider Sopwith Camel nightfighter Biggest project underway: Amati 1/72 Type VIIB U-boat Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 16:46:16 -0700 From: gspring@ix.netcom.com (Greg Springer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Re[2]: Lindberg SE-5a Message-ID: <199607312346.QAA06486@dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com> Stephen wrote: (Snip) > > Mine has some sink marks in it. Hey is there any brass set > for the interior of the SE-5a? Also any stuff on the engine? Yes, Eduard makes an interior set. It has two types of instrument panels with acetate instruments, seat, guns sights, spare Lewis drum storage box, rudder bar, Foster Mount rails, control horns, etc.. Nice! (Snip) > --Stephen Tontoni > (yes, who last completed a Razorback P-47. Mea culpa maxima) Ha! Wait 'til the guys find out that I'm sending you information on how to detail a 'Val'! Cheers! Greg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 16:58:29 -0700 From: gspring@ix.netcom.com (Greg Springer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Message-ID: <199607312358.QAA02048@dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com> Erik wrote: (Snip of hilarious SPAD sales pitch) > He he he he! Ahhhh, you see-- Conspiracy thinking permeates everywhere! > You're telling me! The local IPMS chapter's newsletter is entitled: (Wait for it!) Protocols of the Elders of Styrene Cheers! Greg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 08:05:27 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: WWI in Air Message-ID: On Wed, 31 Jul 1996, Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson wrote: > Have y'all been getting Paul Silberman's daily "WWI in the Air"? I have been forwarding > it from the other WWI list, but a few days ago I got a new email system and it no longer > mirrors my "forwards" back to me. So have they been appearing the last three or four > days, or not? I just posted one a moment ago. Somebody let me know. Well, the last one I got was July 31,1916. I could post this and other dates to you if you want. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 08:08:29 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: your mail Message-ID: On Wed, 31 Jul 1996, Peter Fedders wrote: > I am presently working on Sierra's SPAD A.4 - a vac in 1/48. > The kit is good but > the airplane itself is wild - the propeller is behind the observer/gunner > and in front of the pilot. I can't wait to make mine. > Isn't it an amazing coincidence that Eduard has chosen to kit just those > aircraft that Koster, Tom, and Sierra make! Which ones from Sierra have Eduard made? ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 20:32:07 -0400 (EDT) From: denatale@nando.net (Rick DeNatale) To: wwi Subject: Re: IPMS-USA Con Report Message-ID: >>The tables (plural) that made up the SCW collection were full. This was >>one BIG collection. Yes, there were a lot of scratch-built models, it >>looked like they grabbed the Putnam on Spanish Civil War aircraft >>and went from there. >>Brian >I hate to be critical, but I've seen that collection at just about every >Region Six contest in the past two years. I gotta hand it to the guy, he >did a lot of work, but even so, from a judging standpoint there is a lot of >variance in overall quality and accuracy here. If the guy can scratchbuild >a lockheed vega, he ought to be able to fill seams on a hasegawa 109. > Did he win anything at Nats? Just curious, and forgive my tirade- >I mean no harm! > >Cheers, Scott Head It wasn't one guy but a group of around six. It won the chapter/group entry. This would account for any uneveness in quality. There was a little confusion during the judging when it was realized the the name of the group didn't appear as a chartered IPMS chapter. However, it was determined that they were all indeed IPMS members. Walt Fink also announced at the end of the judging that there were 204X models entered, I don't recall the last digit, but I think that I heard 2043. As far as other WWI relevant stuff, I'm sort of in the same condition as Eli. I didn't take real good notes. However, I was on the judging team that judged half of the 1:48 biplanes. Many of the models were quite impressive, but the two that stand out were a very nice Albatros from the Eduard kit which was nicely detailed and finished, which just beat out an incredibly detailed Aurora Gotha Bomber, talk about yer silk purses! Didn't get any names though. Not really relevant to WWI, but interesting, was the entry which took home all the big prizes. It was a MAGICAL shadow box forced perspective diorama which represented an event which took place in that other guerre mondiale! It depicted a B-17 which had just had it's entire tail nearly severed by an Me-109 which had been shot down and had hit another bomber before hitting the one in the diorama. The Me-109 was in the process of coming apart, the engine was falling separately, the dead pilot was hanging from the straps and various bits and pieces were flying through the air. I thought that the idea of a model of an ME-109 in the process of being destroyed might bring joy to some of the denizens here! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 20:50:44 -0700 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Re: WWI in Air Message-ID: <32002994.113@host.dmsc.net> Valenciano . Jose wrote: > > On Wed, 31 Jul 1996, Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson wrote: > > > Have y'all been getting Paul Silberman's daily "WWI in the Air"? I have been forwarding > > it from the other WWI list, but a few days ago I got a new email system and it no longer > > mirrors my "forwards" back to me. So have they been appearing the last three or four > > days, or not? I just posted one a moment ago. Somebody let me know. > > Well, the last one I got was July 31,1916. > I could post this and other dates to you if you want. > Thanks Jose-- you don't need to post them back. I just wasn't sure whether my new email engine was forwarding properly. Now I'm reassured. I'll keep those daily reports via Silberman coming. Bradley ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 22:08:17 -0400 From: lfendy@firstsaga.com To: wwi Subject: Re: IPMS-USA Con Report Message-ID: <199608010208.WAA27878@pease1.sr.unh.edu> >the automobile judging and we ran late due to being shorthanded. Being busy >was useful this year, because it kept me out of the vendor room. I came >home with only 1 new kit, which for me is a record of Olympic proportions. > >Eli Geher I could only be there Thursday afternoon so I didn't get to see the majority of the entries but I did come home with ten wwi plane kits, 3 datafiles and one each of the new 1/48 Elan wwi pilot figures (British & German). My SO was glad I went for the afternoon and was also pleased I found the kits, have to bless this woman! Actually I put the blame on this fine group for the datafiles. Anyone have a full list of whats available? Len _ SENILE.COM found . . . Out Of Memory . . . QWicKeSST - The ultimate database QWK reader, and NO limits. #$678803 Special Compile: 1.032B (Beta) >> Slipstream Jet - The QWK solution for Usenets #$678803 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 23:12:21 -0400 (EDT) From: bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Lindberg SE-5a Message-ID: <199608010312.XAA08635@ns1.ptd.net> At 10:19 PM 7/30/96 -0400, bciciora@wwa.com wrote: > >I've always hated the look of a four-bladed prop on an SE5, so I made >it two-bladed. I filled in the starboard gun mount on the fuselage, and >faired the port mount. Other than that, it's pretty much straight out >of the box. Hated the 4-bladed prop????? That has always been one of my favorite points about the SE-5a. It's so damned weird looking with the 4-bladed prop you've got to love it.(ok, maybe you don't have to, but give it a second chance.) Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 12:07:20 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Lindberg SE-5a Message-ID: On Wed, 31 Jul 1996, Mary-Ann/Michael wrote: > At 10:19 PM 7/30/96 -0400, bciciora@wwa.com wrote: > > > >I've always hated the look of a four-bladed prop on an SE5, so I made > > Hated the 4-bladed prop????? That has always been one of my favorite > points about the SE-5a. My sentiments exactly! But I want to try carving a more accurate one for my Lindy. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 23:25:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Erik Pilawskii To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Message-ID: On Wed, 31 Jul 1996, Greg Springer wrote: > > > You're telling me! The local IPMS chapter's newsletter is entitled: > (Wait for it!) > Protocols of the Elders of Styrene > [*oooffffff*!] HAAA HA Ha Ha Ha hahahahaa! *" Elders of Styrene"*!!!!?... Oh, my Gel-CA! Have they also written "The Tome of Wooden Worship"? Or, is that a blasphemous heresy in Their visage?!? Cheers, Erik :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: "...Then lobbest Thou thy Holy Hand-grenade of Antioc towards thy Foe, who, not being in My sight, shall snuff it...." "...AMEN...." .............................................................................. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 02:03:39 -0500 (CDT) From: huggins@Onramp.NET (John Huggins) To: wwi Subject: Re: IPMS-USA Con Report Message-ID: >> >> >Bill Shatzer wrote >>Well, while not wishing to appear the Grinch, I don't see how >>44 models would cover -every- aircraft type flown by both >>sides in the Spanish Civil War. Ignoring the non-combat types >>like trainers and transports, where the heck did they even get >>kits to do the Dewoitine 27, the Breguet 19, the Ro 37, the >>Savoia-Marchetti S.62, the Macchi M.41, the Heinkel He.50G, >>the Gourdou-Leseurre GL-32 or the Bleriot SPAD 51? (To only >>mention a few.) >> >>I'd wager the total number of different types of aircraft used during >>the Spanish Civil War exceeded 200 and the number of different types >>used in combat or direct combat support roles exceeded 100. > >The Spanish Civil War entry took up several tables and was well over 100 >types, representing both sides and was probably about as comprehensive as >you'll ever find. It was entered as a Chapter entry and represented the >(excellent) work of a number of modellers (from somewhere in Texas, I >think). I know that some of the obscure types were limited issue resin kits >from a Spanish source. > >The main WWI entry at the show, and winner of the Best Aircraft award, was a >scratchbuilt RE-8 in 1/24 scale. The builder was Ron Lowery, of Ontario >Province in Canada. Ron is a specialist in large scale scratchbuilding and >no stranger to major awards. > I don't know if these are new or not, but I did score on a couple of 1/72 scale Merlin kits that I had not seen in previous conventions. First was a double kit of an Aviatik C.1 & 30.40. The Aviatik's are a bit on the heavy side, but are buildable. The wings are of the one piece type. They do not have a overly large amount of flash and look like they will clean up nicely. The surface details are basic, but done with light raised lined. The worst part of the kits were the white metal parts. All were on the rough side, with a couple of short shot places on the radial cowling. Strut material and decals are provided. The instructions are very basic. The include 3 view drawings for both types. The assembly instructions are all in the verbal format with no drawings. The box is marked as kit number 69. There did not appear to be any large amount of mold shift problems that I have seen on other Merlin kits. The other kit is a 1/72 scale Gotha G.IV. Again, the parts are a bit on the heavy side. The comments about the Aviatik kits apply here as well. The white metal parts in this kit are a bit better than the Aviatik kit. The drawings on the instruction sheet are limited to the left half uper and front views. This kit is marked as number 78. I had a total of three 1/72 and 1 1/48 scale kits in the string bag catagories. The 1/72 scale Dr1 (Revell) in Voss's markings and Fokker D VII (ESCI) in Udet's candy stripe markings were no match for the majority of the other kits entered. My Renwall F2B was rigged and done with the Renwall aero skin tissue covering. I entered it mainly for the rare kit hit, but was told at entry time that the person who normally sponsored that award had decided not to do it this year. The kit was also in the out of the box running, but from the lack of any trophy/ribbon, I guess there was something else that was better, but I did not hear any mention of an out of the box award in that catagory. My 1/48 scale DR 1 (Blue MAX Kit) in Voss's markings also came up empty. I did not get much of a chance to look around in the model room, but what I saw was very good. My only complaint with the contest rules was in the conversion catagory. The rule states that if the parts are available from a commercial source, the kit cannot be entered in the conversion catagory. I agree with this ruleing if the conversion part does not make a major change in the airframe (addition of a fillet, plylon or other bolt on part). If the conversion results in an airframe designation change (A-4F back to an A-4A) or is a major structrual change (C-130E to an L-200), then the builder should have the option og entering in the normal catagory or the conversion class. These types of conversions still require the same amount of basic fitting and blending of parts frome home made parts, pieces from another kit, or after market parts. My only other complaint with the contest is the fact that I did not have any thing else to enter this year. All in all, I thought that the judging was very fair, accurate, and well done. The quality of the work presented was some of the best I have seen in my 40+ years of model building. It is tme for me to get off my soap bos and start on next years entries. I'll see you in Columbus next year. I know several of you stopped by my booth and said hi. It was a pleasure to put a face to a name. For any of you who came by when I was gone, I am sorry I missed you. I will be in the vendors room again next year, so I'll see you there. Happy modeling. John (just a kit builder) Disclaimer: Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 02:14:41 -0500 (CDT) From: huggins@Onramp.NET (John Huggins) To: wwi Subject: Re: IPMS-USA Con Report Message-ID: >>I didn't mean that there were 44 models on the table, just that >>a collection of 44 models would count as ONE entry out of the 2012. >>The tables (plural) that made up the SCW collection were full. This was >>one BIG collection. Yes, there were a lot of scratch-built models, it >>looked like they grabbed the Putnam on Spanish Civil War aircraft >>and went from there. They may not have done everything, but >>they sure as heck made one good effort. I don't know how >>many modelers were involved, but the standard in all was rather >>even (good!) - nothing horribly worse than another, which is so >>hard to do in a group model effort. I hope FSM features it >>in their convention coverage - I'm sure the IPMS Journal will >>have at least one shot. >>Sorry for the confusion, perhaps someone else who was there >>has a number count on all the models in that entry? >>Brian > > >I hate to be critical, but I've seen that collection at just about every >Region Six contest in the past two years. I gotta hand it to the guy, he >did a lot of work, but even so, from a judging standpoint there is a lot of >variance in overall quality and accuracy here. If the guy can scratchbuild >a lockheed vega, he ought to be able to fill seams on a hasegawa 109. >Efforts are admirable, but we just couldn't find the collection to be of >outstanding quality. I certainly don't want to be too critical here, anyone >who takes it upon himself to build entire airforces in scale is certainly >deserving of some recognition, but this collection really had some major >glitches. Did he win anything at Nats? Just curious, and forgive my tirade- >I mean no harm! The Spanish Civil War collection did take a First in the Group entry at the Nats. This was a group effort and not a single builder. I agree that there was a lot of basic kit building that had not been done (seams filled. silvered decals, brush marks in the paint and poor paint jobs) and do not feel that the overall building quality of the kits was justified. I have a feeling that the award was given for the number of kits involved and the number of builders who took part in the construction and not for any degree of modeling ability. There were group entries there that had a much higher degree of workmanship, but did not match the number of models presented. I guess if you can get enough people to glue enough kits together to cover three or four tables, you get a winner. JPH Disclaimer: Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 04:38:30 -0400 From: "S.M. Head" To: wwi Subject: Re: IPMS-USA Con Report Message-ID: <9608010332.aa08194@mail.iapc.net> >>I certainly don't want to be too critical here, anyone >>who takes it upon himself to build entire airforces in scale is certainly >>deserving of some recognition, but this collection really had some major >>glitches. Did he win anything at Nats? Just curious, and forgive my tirade- >>I mean no harm! > >John Huggins replied: > > The Spanish Civil War collection did take a First in the Group entry at >the Nats. This was a group effort and not a single builder. I agree that >there was a lot of basic kit building that had not been done (seams filled. >silvered decals, brush marks in the paint and poor paint jobs) and do not >feel that the overall building quality of the kits was justified. I have a >feeling that the award was given for the number of kits involved and the >number of builders who took part in the construction and not for any degree >of modeling ability. There were group entries there that had a much higher >degree of workmanship, but did not match the number of models presented. I >guess if you can get enough people to glue enough kits together to cover >three or four tables, you get a winner. >JPH For what it's worth, this collection was entered in the San Antonio show as a done by a single builder. Maybe some more goodies were added by friends in the chapter for Nats, but in SA where I helped judge collections, a group of 7 1/72 Yaks and a group of 1/72 German far-flung experimental no-shows won hands down-based on the very rules National IPMS suggests we judge by. The "Bigger is better" attitude seems to be a tough hurdle for judges to toss out. Like you mentioned, something is attractive, I guess, about a group of models that takes up most of the display area. But I believe we ought not throw out the criteria we claim to build for. Just my $.02. Scott H. Scott M. Head IPMS/USA #32841 IPMS Houston Scale Model Forum http://web-hou.iapc.net/~smh Win95=Mac'87 ;) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 12:25:18 +0000 From: "Brian Bushe" To: wwi Subject: Re: Airmodel models in local hobby store. Message-ID: <199608011126.MAA20797@itl.net> re: Re: Airmodel models in local hobby > Ray types: > > >In a local hobby store they have two boxes of interest behind the counter. > >These are a Hansa-Brandenburg W.20 and a DH 5 in 1/72 scale by Airmodel. > >When I was there the owner wasn't in, and his assistant didn't want to > >open > >the boxes. So are these models worth buying?. I especially wanted to buy > >the > >Hansa Brandenburg but the price $35 CDN put me off. Oh yes the models are > >Resin according to the box and have no decals. > > > >Does anyone have any experience with buying models direct from England. > >Since up > >here in the Great White North most models are very expensive. I paid $50 > >for a > >Eduard Albatross DV and I noticed that in England this would cost about 12 > >pounds > >which by my conversion is approximatly $24 cdn. Also all the Pegasus and > >Blue Max > >models seem much cheaper from Pegasus. Not that I'm cheap, but SWMBO is > >getting > >very tight lipped lately about my little hobby and what it cost's. :-) > > > > The Airmodel DH-5 is a very nice kit, a clean copy of the Czech > original. $35 CDN would put me off also. A Czech original from Aviation > USK might be a bit cheaper. > > I have made purchases directly from Pegasus on many occasions and would > higly recommend this practice. He takes a credit card and your order is > delivered to you via Air Mail at no extra charge. In fact Pegasus/BM > doesn't charge for postage at all on their orders. Aeroclub also takes > credit cards, but I have never ordered directly from them. With the > regular shops in the UK, I suppose how fast an order is delivered depends > on whether or not the item is in stock. Might help to order by phone in > that situation. The relative cheapness of the Eduard Albatros D-V had > caught my attention as well. > > Charles > > hartc@spot.colorado.edu > > > hannants usually have these in stock and do a lot of mailorder from their Lowestoft warehouse (which is primarily for mailorder anyway). I also reccomend you remind them that you don't have to pay vat. brian 'I never wanted many things, except the chance to learn from my mistakes Funny how you never learn, but know them when they come around again.' -Echobelly Brian Bushe syclone@itl.net Syclone Systems (44) 1628 789 470 Maidenhead Fax 789 513 Berkshire England ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 209 *********************