WWI Digest 208 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Something to do while you're waiting for the glue to dry by "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" 2) IPMS-USA Con Report by Brian Nicklas 3) Re: Congrats (was RE: Unfinished Models) by Mark Lawrence Shannon 4) Re: Lindberg SE-5a by bciciora@wwa.com 5) Re: IPMS-USA Con Report by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 6) Re: IPMS-USA Con Report by MEBA@cso.com 7) Latest Aviation History and Zenith catalog by MEBA@cso.com 8) WWI in Air by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 9) by Peter Fedders 10) 31 July 1916, Buc by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 11) Re: IPMS-USA Con Report by Brian Nicklas 12) Re[2]: IPMS-USA Con Report by SHUSTAD@email.usps.gov 13) Re[2]: Lindberg SE-5a by stonto@seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu 14) Re: by MEBA@cso.com 15) Re: Unfinished models by "Ray Boorman" 16) by Peter Fedders 17) Airmodel models in local hobby store. by "Ray Boorman" 18) Re: IPMS-USA Con Report by iceman@ro.com (Eli Geher) 19) Re: Airmodel models in local hobby store. by MEBA@cso.com 20) Re: by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 21) Re: Airmodel models in local hobby store. by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 22) Re: by Erik Pilawskii 23) Re: Czech Master's masters by MEBA@cso.com 24) Re: Czech Master's masters by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 25) Re: by MEBA@cso.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 16:11:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" To: wwi Subject: Something to do while you're waiting for the glue to dry Message-ID: <960730161133.2341a58a@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU> >LAUGH OF THE DAY - A service of LaughWEB (http://www.misty.com/laughweb/). > >To unsubscribe, send e-mail to majordomo@world.std.com, with text: > unsubscribe lotd email_address >Where "email_address" is the address you used when you subscribed to lotd. > >For more information about Laugh Of The Day or LaughWEB, send email to: > joeshmoe@world.std.com >with a SUBJECT header of: > info laugh > >To subscribe to lotd, point your web browser to: > http://world.std.com/~joeshmoe/laughweb/lotd_subscribe.html > >The URL of today's laugh: > >http://www.misty.com/laughweb/computer/the.natural.life.cycle.of.a.mailing. >list >*************************************************************************** >Warning - Material contained in this document might be considered offensive. >Please read our disclaimer: > http://www.misty.com/laughweb/laughweb.disclaimer.txt >*************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 96 17:40:08 EDT From: Brian Nicklas To: Subject: IPMS-USA Con Report Message-ID: <199607302138.RAA21149@pease1.sr.unh.edu> A few thoughts on the convention. Wow! With 2012 models entere, a new record was set. Note that this does not count 44 models entered as one model under "collections" - like the Texas group that won this category with 1/72 scale models of every airplane type flown by both sides in the Spanish Civil War. Amazing! I bought one of the photo-etched skeletal Fokker E.IIIs from Eduard. It is "Way Cool!" The 1/48 PKZ-2 helicopter was on display, but none are available yet for sale - even if it is not 1/72, I would have bought one anyway - it is that nice! I can't even remeber all the nice WWI stuff but when my buddies photos come back, my memory will be refreshed. Most Popular and Judges Best were won by the same very deserving model, a shadow box of the B-17 in the Med with the tail, still attached but sheared off - by a (ready... Wait for it...) Bf 109! The B-17 alone was great, but the 109 was torn apart, dead pilot slumped over, metal wrent and torn, with tiny bits floating in mid-air. VERY well done. Not a whole lot that I recall as HOT and NEW in the vendor room, but the socializing was great. We gotta bring more WWI stuff to Columbus next year. (and more airliners - if you do that sorta thing...) I did not bring the Drachen, I had a total failure of my auto's electrical system, followed by a rebuild of the dishwasher and then fixing a major unrelated water leak. I got the leak down to a very small drip, put a catch cup under it and went to Va Beach. I think I can now finish the rigging and have it at the Region II con in Baltimore. (There is always Columbus...) Cheers! Brian Nicklas ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 17:26:28 -0700 From: Mark Lawrence Shannon To: wwi Subject: Re: Congrats (was RE: Unfinished Models) Message-ID: <31FEA834.21E2@ix.netcom.com> Brian Bushe wrote: > > re: Re: Congrats (was RE: Unfinished Mo > > > > > It (my display) *did* all have a German WW I theme, all to 1/35 scale; > > three figure dioramas (more than 5 figures each), one figure vignette > > (2 to 5 figures), and two single figures. > > > > A scratchbuilding figures seminar by noted Civil War 1/35 figure > > modeler Doug Cohen was outstanding also. A figure auction and superb > > hospitality room both friday & saturday nights rounded out a really > > great time. The Tulsa Show organizers, Mike Davidson, Mark Mindeman & > > Kim Jones are very open and hospitable them selves and should be > > congtratulated on running a smooth and very professional show. > > > > Steve H. (The Mad Norseman!) > > P.S. - BTW John, when have you *ever* spared me the embarassment?!? > > Steve, > > I remember seeing a FSM showcase on your wwi aircraft a couple of > years ago, but don't remeber any figures in it. Is this a relatively > new direction, or did FSM run out of film? > > brian > > Calvin - Where do you go when you die? > Hobbes - Baltimore > pause > Calvin - Is that if you're good or if you're bad? > Let me add my congrats, as well, Steve. And maybe, if you can branch out into figures, you could also branch out to some of the other combatants in the first world unpleasantness. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 96 21:20 CDT From: bciciora@wwa.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Lindberg SE-5a Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Jul 1996 04:57:37 -0700 Thomas Eisenhour wrote: > I notice that several people (OK maybe it's only a couple) have either > recently finished or are working on the Lindberg SE-5a. Any assembly > tips you'd care to pass along? Getting the lower wings right was the tough part for me. Even after careful squaring up they still look a leetle off to me. Do a lot of jig work with the interplanes to make sure they're square. Use a lot of solvent if you use the kit decals, they're thick. I trimmed the yellow outer rings off. > How much did you alter it? I've always hated the look of a four-bladed prop on an SE5, so I made it two-bladed. I filled in the starboard gun mount on the fuselage, and faired the port mount. Other than that, it's pretty much straight out of the box. > Did your kit have a sink mark in the front of the radiator? If so, how > did you deal with it? I guess I got a kit from a good run; no sink mark. Bill Ciciora ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 01:19:44 -0700 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: IPMS-USA Con Report Message-ID: <199607310819.AA24576@ednet1.orednet.org> Brian Nicklas writes: > >A few thoughts on the convention. >Wow! With 2012 models entere, a new record was set. >Note that this does not count 44 models entered as one model >under "collections" - like the Texas group that won this category >with 1/72 scale models of every airplane type flown by both sides >in the Spanish Civil War. Amazing! Well, while not wishing to appear the Grinch, I don't see how 44 models would cover -every- aircraft type flown by both sides in the Spanish Civil War. Ignoring the non-combat types like trainers and transports, where the heck did they even get kits to do the Dewoitine 27, the Breguet 19, the Ro 37, the Savoia-Marchetti S.62, the Macchi M.41, the Heinkel He.50G, the Gourdou-Leseurre GL-32 or the Bleriot SPAD 51? (To only mention a few.) I'd wager the total number of different types of aircraft used during the Spanish Civil War exceeded 200 and the number of different types used in combat or direct combat support roles exceeded 100. But, as this is far off the charter of this group, I'll quietly sneak down off my soap box and attempt to blend in with the crowd. :-) But, the Spanish Civil War is my other aviation passion after WWI and I couldn't let this pass without comment. Cheers, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "There are not enough Indians in the country to whip the Seventh Cavalry!" -George Armstrong Custer- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 07:23:16 -0500 From: MEBA@cso.com To: wwi Subject: Re: IPMS-USA Con Report Message-ID: <199607310721.HAA07250@cso.com> On 31 Jul 96 at 4:19, Bill Shatzer typed diligantly: > Well, while not wishing to appear the Grinch, I don't see how 44 > models would cover -every- aircraft type flown by both sides in the > Spanish Civil War. Ignoring the non-combat types like trainers and > transports, where the heck did they even get kits to do the > Dewoitine 27, the Breguet 19, the Ro 37, the Savoia-Marchetti S.62, > the Macchi M.41, the Heinkel He.50G, the Gourdou-Leseurre GL-32 or > the Bleriot SPAD 51? (To only mention a few.) And then I would ask if they had the correct versions of the planes. Was the I-16 a type 6 through 10, and not an 18? Heh heh, I just couldn't resist... I too have thought about this type of "collection", but decided that if it was to be done, it would best be a smaller subset - for example, all Russian aircraft that flown in the SCW, or something like that. Especially since most of the Russian subjects are kitted...;-) > I'd wager the total number of different types of aircraft used > during the Spanish Civil War exceeded 200 and the number of > different types used in combat or direct combat support roles > exceeded 100. Did they model the version of the P-26 that saw combat? Did they correctly modify it? Look to the '94 nats, and the winner of the Rare Kit award. An individual from KC (Steve, can you help out: sorry, Bill's his first name, but can't remember the last) took first in the split 1/72nd bipes and fabric post WW1 plus the Rare Kit, and did a wonderful job. > But, as this is far off the charter of this group, I'll quietly > sneak down off my soap box and attempt to blend in with the crowd. > :-) But, the Spanish Civil War is my other aviation passion after > WWI and I couldn't let this pass without comment. Hey, with all these people talking about the kits they've finished not in the correct genre (a P-47? C'mon...;-)), what's the difference? At least you had bipes that flew and fought in this conflict. Not to keep a thread going, or anything...:-) Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 07:29:48 -0500 From: MEBA@cso.com To: WW1 Modelers Subject: Latest Aviation History and Zenith catalog Message-ID: <199607310728.HAA07838@cso.com> Got the latest AH in the mail the other day. Item's of interest include an aritcle on Boelcke and on the Il'ya Muromets. Haven't had a chance to read them yet, though, so I can't give a review. Another point of interest is an article on the P-26. >From the Zenith catalog comes two books I had no idea about. _Hunting with Richtofen_ by Hazlett. This is a translation of the diaries of Karl Bodenschatz. (Peter: do you know about this book? Any good?) US$34.95 _Battlebags: British Airships of the First World War_ by Mowthorpe. Basically describes every single airship built or used by Great Britain during WW1. US$39.95 Zenith Books: 1-800-826-6600. Email: mbibks@win.bright.net. Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 09:31:05 -0700 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: WWI in Air Message-ID: <31FF8A49.EE3@host.dmsc.net> Gents, Have y'all been getting Paul Silberman's daily "WWI in the Air"? I have been forwarding it from the other WWI list, but a few days ago I got a new email system and it no longer mirrors my "forwards" back to me. So have they been appearing the last three or four days, or not? I just posted one a moment ago. Somebody let me know. Bradley ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 08:36:41 -0500 From: Peter Fedders To: wwi Message-ID: <199607311336.IAA26323@howdy.wustl.edu> Hello gang: I am presently working on Sierra's SPAD A.4 - a vac in 1/48. The kit is good but the airplane itself is wild - the propeller is behind the observer/gunner and in front of the pilot. Apparently the French didn't care for them so they gave them to the Russians. The last model that I finished was a Hannover CLIII - mostly Eduard but with a number of parts from the Koster kit. again 1/48 Isn't it an amazing coincidence that Eduard has chosen to kit just those aircraft that Koster, Tom, and Sierra make! pfed ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 09:22:14 -0700 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: 31 July 1916, Buc Message-ID: <31FF8836.6392@host.dmsc.net> Fine day. Out for work in a.m. and took my first real flight in 45 h.p. Bleriot. Got along finely and it felt wonderful to be up. Letter from dear little Mother in p.m. Wrote to Miss Harper & Joe Phillips. Slept most of early a.m. Flying in late p.m. and made my second tour of the field. Like it immensely. Hope I have good luck from now on with the higher powered machines and get thru school by Sept. 1st. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 96 09:50:23 EDT From: Brian Nicklas To: Subject: Re: IPMS-USA Con Report Message-ID: <199607311348.JAA24207@pease1.sr.unh.edu> I didn't mean that there were 44 models on the table, just that a collection of 44 models would count as ONE entry out of the 2012. The tables (plural) that made up the SCW collection were full. This was one BIG collection. Yes, there were a lot of scratch-built models, it looked like they grabbed the Putnam on Spanish Civil War aircraft and went from there. They may not have done everything, but they sure as heck made one good effort. I don't know how many modelers were involved, but the standard in all was rather even (good!) - nothing horribly worse than another, which is so hard to do in a group model effort. I hope FSM features it in their convention coverage - I'm sure the IPMS Journal will have at least one shot. Sorry for the confusion, perhaps someone else who was there has a number count on all the models in that entry? Brian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 10:16:38 -0400 From: SHUSTAD@email.usps.gov To: "(u)wwi" Subject: Re[2]: IPMS-USA Con Report Message-ID: <0033000001423373000002*@MHS> Matt, etal, Did they model the version of the P-26 that saw combat? Did they correctly modify it? Look to the '94 nats, and the winner of the Rare Kit award. An individual from KC (Steve, can you help out: sorry, Bill's his first name, but can't remember the last) took first in the split 1/72nd bipes and fabric post WW1 plus the Rare Kit, and did a wonderful job. Bill Cook. He did the superb P-26. SCW is on of Bill's passions too. He's one of the founders of my IPMS chapter here in the Kansas City Metro area - IPMS/Great Plains. - Steve H. Hey, with all these people talking about the kits they've finished not in the correct genre (a P-47? C'mon...;-)), what's the difference? At least you had bipes that flew and fought in this conflict. Not to keep a thread going, or anything...:-) Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 96 07:52:26 PST From: stonto@seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu To: wwi Subject: Re[2]: Lindberg SE-5a Message-ID: <9606318388.AA838824905@SCCCGATE.seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu> On Mon, 29 Jul 1996 04:57:37 -0700 Thomas Eisenhour wrote: > I notice that several people (OK maybe it's only a couple) have either > recently finished or are working on the Lindberg SE-5a. Any assembly > tips you'd care to pass along? Mine has some sink marks in it. Hey is there any brass set for the interior of the SE-5a? Also any stuff on the engine? Oh, this thing has some many wires, that given some sheet music, you could play the damn thing. It would be a good idea to figure out the rigging first and drill any pilot holes before putting the wings on. It will pay dividends later when you can't get your Dremel in the tight places. I wouldn't use the kit decals for that one. Too damn thick. I probably have enough roundels and so forth in my decal scrap box so I'm not concerned. Its not like they had much nose art or whatever! --Stephen Tontoni (yes, who last completed a Razorback P-47. Mea culpa maxima) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 10:00:13 -0500 From: MEBA@cso.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Message-ID: <199607310958.JAA25089@cso.com> On 31 Jul 96 at 9:33, Peter Fedders typed diligantly: > I am presently working on Sierra's SPAD A.4 - a vac in 1/48. The > kit is good but the airplane itself is wild - the propeller is > behind the observer/gunner and in front of the pilot. Apparently > the French didn't care for them so they gave them to the Russians. What, they didn't care for the planes, or the Russians? ;-) Think about it: "Here, we'll give you this piece of crap aircraft because, well, because we *like* you!" > The last model that I finished was a Hannover CLIII - mostly > Eduard but with a number of parts from the Koster kit. again > 1/48 Which parts from which? > Isn't it an amazing coincidence that Eduard has chosen to kit just > those aircraft that Koster, Tom, and Sierra make! Kind of the same coincidence that old Pegasus, Vee Day, Merlin and Meikraft seem to come out with the same kits that Czech Masters made in resin! Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 08:32:48 -0700 From: "Ray Boorman" To: , "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: Re: Unfinished models Message-ID: <199607311549.IAA04155@cessna.lynx.bc.ca> In May I finished a Hasegawa Nakajima Ki 43 Oscar in 1/72 correct scale wrong war :-) Last night I finished Eduard's Sopwith Baby in 1/72. Hey correct scale and war. This one was started a year ago and took so long because on more than one occasion it nearly became a paint project for my 5 year old son. (This is my new idea of what to do with models that won't get finished. and gives two bonus's 1 I don't have to listen to "Dad when are you going to let me help you". 2 Encourages them at just the correct age to build models.) The sopwith was nasty I never could get the lower wing and fuselage joint correct and ended up with a big gap and lot's of filler. Next to be finished is a Polikarpov I 16. If I can ever work out the correct color of green to use. Anyway again wrong war but correct scale :-) rboorman@lynx.bc.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 11:36:31 -0500 From: Peter Fedders To: wwi Message-ID: <199607311636.LAA29882@howdy.wustl.edu> Why did the French give SPAD A2/4's to the Russians? It was a lousy plane and they probably wanted to give SPAD some business. The Nieuport 28 wasn't all that good either and the French didn't want them after the SPAD 13 came out. However they didn't give the inferior planes to the beloved allies, they SOLD them to the Americans! Having allies like the French sort of makes you feel warm inside, doesn't it. pfed ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 09:19:48 -0700 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: Airmodel models in local hobby store. Message-ID: <199607311637.JAA07339@cessna.lynx.bc.ca> In a local hobby store they have two boxes of interest behind the counter. These are a Hansa-Brandenburg W.20 and a DH 5 in 1/72 scale by Airmodel. When I was there the owner wasn't in, and his assistant didn't want to open the boxes. So are these models worth buying?. I especially wanted to buy the Hansa Brandenburg but the price $35 CDN put me off. Oh yes the models are Resin according to the box and have no decals. Does anyone have any experience with buying models direct from England. Since up here in the Great White North most models are very expensive. I paid $50 for a Eduard Albatross DV and I noticed that in England this would cost about 12 pounds which by my conversion is approximatly $24 cdn. Also all the Pegasus and Blue Max models seem much cheaper from Pegasus. Not that I'm cheap, but SWMBO is getting very tight lipped lately about my little hobby and what it cost's. :-) rboorman@lynx.bc.ca (SWMBO logic, "Why don't you finish all the models in the cupboard then buy a new one!") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 11:54:19 -0500 From: iceman@ro.com (Eli Geher) To: wwi Subject: Re: IPMS-USA Con Report Message-ID: <199607311654.LAA05753@sh1.ro.com> > > Bill Shatzer wrote >Well, while not wishing to appear the Grinch, I don't see how >44 models would cover -every- aircraft type flown by both >sides in the Spanish Civil War. Ignoring the non-combat types >like trainers and transports, where the heck did they even get >kits to do the Dewoitine 27, the Breguet 19, the Ro 37, the >Savoia-Marchetti S.62, the Macchi M.41, the Heinkel He.50G, >the Gourdou-Leseurre GL-32 or the Bleriot SPAD 51? (To only >mention a few.) > >I'd wager the total number of different types of aircraft used during >the Spanish Civil War exceeded 200 and the number of different types >used in combat or direct combat support roles exceeded 100. The Spanish Civil War entry took up several tables and was well over 100 types, representing both sides and was probably about as comprehensive as you'll ever find. It was entered as a Chapter entry and represented the (excellent) work of a number of modellers (from somewhere in Texas, I think). I know that some of the obscure types were limited issue resin kits from a Spanish source. The main WWI entry at the show, and winner of the Best Aircraft award, was a scratchbuilt RE-8 in 1/24 scale. The builder was Ron Lowery, of Ontario Province in Canada. Ron is a specialist in large scale scratchbuilding and no stranger to major awards. I wish I were able to provide a full report on the WWI presence, but I got rather overwhelmed with activities. I never actually had a good comprehensive look at all the aircraft entries because I was occupied with the automobile judging and we ran late due to being shorthanded. Being busy was useful this year, because it kept me out of the vendor room. I came home with only 1 new kit, which for me is a record of Olympic proportions. Eli Geher ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 11:55:10 -0500 From: MEBA@cso.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Airmodel models in local hobby store. Message-ID: <199607311153.LAA04191@cso.com> On 31 Jul 96 at 12:38, Ray Boorman typed diligantly: > (SWMBO logic, "Why don't you finish all the models in the cupboard > then buy a new one!") Ah yes, the all to familiar cry of SWMBO. Hey, National Geographic, how about doing a special on this one? ;-) Or how about "I don't care if it's limited production!" Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 11:10:11 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: Message-ID: to continue a thread: From pfed we got: >> Isn't it an amazing coincidence that Eduard has chosen to kit just >> those aircraft that Koster, Tom, and Sierra make! to which meba responded: >Kind of the same coincidence that old Pegasus, Vee Day, Merlin and >Meikraft seem to come out with the same kits that Czech Masters made >in resin! > In the latter case this is perhaps less coincidence and more deliberate. Czech resins were used as masters by all of those kit makers plus a few others. The Airmodel resin DH-5 is based on a Czech master (perhaps clone is a better word), just like the Merlin short run kit of same. Laying the parts of each side by side makes the case pretty clear. I guess this means that if we want a greater diversity of WW I subjects, we need to make our wishes known at the source. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 11:16:12 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: Airmodel models in local hobby store. Message-ID: Ray types: >In a local hobby store they have two boxes of interest behind the counter. >These are a Hansa-Brandenburg W.20 and a DH 5 in 1/72 scale by Airmodel. >When I was there the owner wasn't in, and his assistant didn't want to >open >the boxes. So are these models worth buying?. I especially wanted to buy >the >Hansa Brandenburg but the price $35 CDN put me off. Oh yes the models are >Resin according to the box and have no decals. > >Does anyone have any experience with buying models direct from England. >Since up >here in the Great White North most models are very expensive. I paid $50 >for a >Eduard Albatross DV and I noticed that in England this would cost about 12 >pounds >which by my conversion is approximatly $24 cdn. Also all the Pegasus and >Blue Max >models seem much cheaper from Pegasus. Not that I'm cheap, but SWMBO is >getting >very tight lipped lately about my little hobby and what it cost's. :-) > The Airmodel DH-5 is a very nice kit, a clean copy of the Czech original. $35 CDN would put me off also. A Czech original from Aviation USK might be a bit cheaper. I have made purchases directly from Pegasus on many occasions and would higly recommend this practice. He takes a credit card and your order is delivered to you via Air Mail at no extra charge. In fact Pegasus/BM doesn't charge for postage at all on their orders. Aeroclub also takes credit cards, but I have never ordered directly from them. With the regular shops in the UK, I suppose how fast an order is delivered depends on whether or not the item is in stock. Might help to order by phone in that situation. The relative cheapness of the Eduard Albatros D-V had caught my attention as well. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 10:19:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Erik Pilawskii To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Message-ID: > > I am presently working on Sierra's SPAD A.4 - a vac in 1/48. The > > kit is good but the airplane itself is wild - the propeller is > > behind the observer/gunner and in front of the pilot. Apparently > > the French didn't care for them so they gave them to the Russians. > > What, they didn't care for the planes, or the Russians? ;-) Think > about it: "Here, we'll give you this piece of crap aircraft because, > well, because we *like* you!" *Give*!? Give!? Hell, they charged them an arm and a leg for those monstrosities! Can you even imagine the sales pitch: 'Here we have this magnificent bi-plane for your military service, complete with a glorified "WC" bolted onto the front of the machine! In this superb position, you may seat an Observer crewman, who, conveniently, can not only relieve himself freely in flight (which will be a certain necessity due to the presence of a rapidly spinning instrument of death just inches behind his head!) *but* can also man a defensive gun in the interim." > > Kind of the same coincidence that old Pegasus, Vee Day, Merlin and > Meikraft seem to come out with the same kits that Czech Masters made > in resin! > He he he he! Ahhhh, you see-- Conspiracy thinking permeates everywhere! Cheers, Erik :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: "...Then lobbest Thou thy Holy Hand-grenade of Antioc towards thy Foe, who, not being in My sight, shall snuff it...." "...AMEN...." .............................................................................. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 12:19:17 -0500 From: MEBA@cso.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Czech Master's masters Message-ID: <199607311217.MAA05811@cso.com> On 31 Jul 96 at 13:06, Charles Hart typed diligantly: > In the latter case this is perhaps less coincidence and more > deliberate. Czech resins were used as masters by all of those kit > makers plus a few others. The Airmodel resin DH-5 is based on a > Czech master (perhaps clone is a better word), just like the Merlin > short run kit of same. Laying the parts of each side by side makes > the case pretty clear. I guess this means that if we want a greater > diversity of WW I subjects, we need to make our wishes known at the > source. Okay, two messages mentioning Airmodel. I have not heard of them before this. New company? From where? Prices? TIA! Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 11:38:59 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: Czech Master's masters Message-ID: >On 31 Jul 96 at 13:06, Charles Hart typed diligantly: > >> In the latter case this is perhaps less coincidence and more >> deliberate. Czech resins were used as masters by all of those kit >> makers plus a few others. The Airmodel resin DH-5 is based on a >> Czech master (perhaps clone is a better word), just like the Merlin >> short run kit of same. Laying the parts of each side by side makes >> the case pretty clear. I guess this means that if we want a greater >> diversity of WW I subjects, we need to make our wishes known at the >> source. > and Matt inquires: >Okay, two messages mentioning Airmodel. I have not heard of them >before this. New company? From where? Prices? TIA! > I think that the current Airmodel concern has its roots in a German firm that cranked out various Luftwaffe vac-formed conversions and kits starting back in the early 1970's. I remember these from the Squadron Mail order catalogs then. Some various Luftwaffe subjects came along as short run injection kits later. The most recent thing that I have seen are these resin kits made from Czech masters. I got my DH-5 and Sopwith Dolphin kits 4 or 5 years ago via a friend who had ordered directly from Airmodel. I've hardly seen any Airmodel kits in U.S. hobby shops in the last few years. I had thought they had faded into the background. If anyone else on the list has more concrete information, I would appreciate hearing it. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 12:37:01 -0500 From: MEBA@cso.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Message-ID: <199607311235.MAA07097@cso.com> On 31 Jul 96 at 13:18, Erik Pilawskii typed diligantly: > *Give*!? Give!? Hell, they charged them an arm and a leg for > those monstrosities! Can you even imagine the sales pitch: 'Here we > have this magnificent bi-plane for your military service, complete > with a glorified "WC" bolted onto the front of the machine! In this > superb position, you may seat an Observer crewman, who, > conveniently, can not only relieve himself freely in flight (which > will be a certain necessity due to the presence of a rapidly > spinning instrument of death just inches behind his head!) *but* > can also man a defensive gun in the interim." Kind of reminds me of a saying I heard in regards to your mother always asking if you have clean underwear on: it doesn't matter. If you ever get into that kind of situation, first you say it, then you do it!!! ;-) BTW, Erik, ROTFL!!!!!! Has anybody built Roseplane's A.4? Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 208 *********************