WWI Digest 201 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: The League of World War I Aviation Historians by MEBA@cso.com 2) Re: The League of World War I Aviation Historians by "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" 3) Re: The League of World War I Aviation Historians by "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" 4) Re: Some stuff for that *other* scale by Mick Fauchon 5) WWI in the Air (24 Jul 1916) by u1a00518@wvnvm.wvnet.edu 6) Re: The League of World War I Aviation Historians by MEBA@cso.com 7) Re: Living Aces by cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) 8) Re: Aerodrome address by aew (Allan Wright) 9) Re: ambulances by GRBroman@aol.com 10) Vehicles in 1/72 by aew (Allan Wright) 11) RE: Vehicles in 1/72 by "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" 12) Re: Vehicles in 1/72 by aew (Allan Wright) 13) Re: Vehicles in 1/72 by "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" 14) Re: Vehicles in 1/72 by MEBA@cso.com 15) Re: Vehicles in 1/72 by aew (Allan Wright) 16) Re: Vehicles in 1/72 by aew (Allan Wright) 17) Re: Some stuff for that *other* scale by "Brian Bushe" 18) clarification by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 19) Re: British Aircraft Camouflage by "Mark L. Shannon" 20) Re: Some stuff for that *other* scale by MEBA@cso.com 21) Re: WWI in the Air (23 Jul 1916) by MEBA@cso.com 22) RE: Dayton Fly-In by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 23) Thread by Charles_A._Duckworth@notes.up.com (Charles A. Duckworth) 24) RE: British Aircraft Camouflage by SDW@qld.mim.com.au 25) Re: Aerodrome address by cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) 26) RE: British Aircraft Camouflage by Robert Johnson 27) Re: Thread by t_eisen@ix.netcom.com (Thomas Eisenhour) 28) Vehicles by Charles_A._Duckworth@notes.up.com (Charles A. Duckworth) 29) Re: Aeroclub stuff -- Mad Cows and Englishmen by DavidL1217@aol.com 30) Re: Vehicles by "William B. Bacom" 31) RE: Zinc Chromate ((ZnCrO4) Ain't A Color by bobmills@MSIS.dmso.mil (Robert J. Mills, Jr.) 32) Re: Living Aces by lothar@ncw.net (mark) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 07:18:58 -0500 From: MEBA@cso.com To: wwi Subject: Re: The League of World War I Aviation Historians Message-ID: <199607240718.HAA11110@cso.com> On 24 Jul 96 at 7:08, u1a00518@wvnvm.wvnet.edu typed diligantly: > > > Here's the question: what was Manfred von Richthofen's first >> name? > > > That's easy: it was "Red". Bradley Omanson ROTFL!!! This is great. Just for that, I think Bradley should win something of more significance - maybe an Airfix Fokker Dr.I to correct? ;-) Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 8:28:47 -0400 (EDT) From: "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" To: wwi Subject: Re: The League of World War I Aviation Historians Message-ID: <960724082847.202b7497@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU> Thanks to Bradley Omanson for his quick response. He raises an interesting point about delivery of OVER THE FRONT and I'd like to speak to it. Having joined The League 2 or 3 weeks ago, his membership is being processed (if you recall my earlier comment about our being totally non-profit, with an UNpaid staff. We recognize the value of all of our members and really do try to be expeditious about delivery. So, I'd say Brad ought to give it another two weeks or so, at which point he'll receive the Spring and Summer issues together. If there are delivery problems, you can contact me or League President Jim Streckfuss Believe me, we're working like crazy to stay efficient and, if you will, "competitive." We need to "grow" our membership in addition to retaining as many existing members as possible. Thanks for your interest. Peter Kilduff ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 8:30:37 -0400 (EDT) From: "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" To: wwi Subject: Re: The League of World War I Aviation Historians Message-ID: <960724083037.202b7497@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU> C'mon, Matt, be more specific. Should he get an Airfix Dr.I with a *rotary* or *radial* engine? PK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 23:00:43 +1000 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Some stuff for that *other* scale Message-ID: Matt, > > Hi-Tech from France is listing the following items of interest to > this group, all in 1/48th. > > Out now is: Albatros D.V superdetail; Albatross (sic) Dr.I > conversion; Fokker DR.I (sic) Triplane Upgrade; Mercedes DIII A > 160hp; and Mercedes D.III A 180hp. > > Due soon: Fokker D.VIII Conversion (huh?); and SPAD 12 "Canon/Gun" > conversion. If you have a look on pp 8-11, 22 of Scale MOdels International [June 1996] you'll find a spread on Hi-Tech. Seems they specialise in resin conversions in *both8 80) scales. Haven't ever seen them in the "flesh", but they look impressive. Cheers, Mick. BTW, SMI appear to be runnibg a bi-monthly WW1 spread as well. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 09:18:49 -0400 From: u1a00518@wvnvm.wvnet.edu To: wwi Subject: WWI in the Air (24 Jul 1916) Message-ID: <199607241318.JAA04330@ns1.dmsc.net> <---- Begin Forwarded Message ----> Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 07:59:22 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: wwi-l@raven.cc.ukans.edu From: Paul Silbermann To: WWI list Subject: WWI in the Air (24 Jul 1916) 7/24/1916 1 Turkish aircraft attacks Allied shipping at Tenedos. 2 Turkish aircraft attack Allied shipping s of the mouth of the Dardanelles. A Dutch warship sorties from Flushing harbor to assist "French aviators who were reported to have descended in a seaplane near the coast." The aircrew were later reported to have been captured by a German destroyer and they and their aircraft towed twd the Belgian coast. <_Aeronautics_ comments that this may refer to the British seaplane claimed by Germany (see below)> _Aeronautics_ (London), 2 Aug 1916, p.78. Reports claim that German ace Lt. Parschau (PLM recipient) is shot down behind German lines (both Parschau and observer killed). _Aeronautics_ (London), 2 Aug 1916, p.78. -- night of 24/25 Jul -- French aircraft attack rail stations at Pierrepont and Longuyon, and bivouacs nr Mangiennes (20-30 miles ne of Verdun). _Aeronautics_ (London), 2 Aug 1916, p.77. -- Claims -- German ground fire claims 1 French aircraft shot down. A German submarine claims 1 British seaplane shot down n of Zeebrugge (2 crew captured). _Aeronautics_ (London), 2 Aug 1916, p.78. -- Russian Losses -- Russia admits loss of 1 aircraft to ground fire (Staff Capt. Beridze, Lt. Ritcheff MIA, presumed KIA). _Aeronautics_ (London), 2 Aug 1916, p.77. -- British Losses -- * Short 830 (Dunkirk RNAS Sqn) shot down by U-Boat off Zeebrugge (listed as MIA) POW: Bailey, FLt. J. F. POW: Mardock, FLt. F. W. Trevor Henshaw, _The Sky Their Battlefield_ (London: Grubb Street, 1995), p.97. **************** WWI in the Air (24 Jul 1916) ***************** <---- End Forwarded Message ----> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 08:23:31 -0500 From: MEBA@cso.com To: wwi Subject: Re: The League of World War I Aviation Historians Message-ID: <199607240822.IAA16831@cso.com> On 24 Jul 96 at 8:29, PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY REL typed diligantly: > C'mon, Matt, be more specific. Should he get an Airfix Dr.I with > a *rotary* or *radial* engine? Yes! Tee hee. Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 96 9:50:19 EDT From: cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) To: wwi Subject: Re: Living Aces Message-ID: <199607241350.JAA14137@conted.swann.gatech.edu> Guys, Here's one who's still with us (a friend corresponds with him): Briton Gwilym H. Lewis--author of Wings Over the Somme--32 and 40 Sqds., 12 victories in the British scoring scheme, awarded the DFC. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 10:15:31 -0400 (EDT) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Re: Aerodrome address Message-ID: <199607241415.KAA11960@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > I'm trying to get in touch with an organization called > Aerodrome: The Fight in the Skies Society, a gaming group. Would anyone > of you know its e- or snail-mail address? TIA. Here it is: La Bataille 375 Saratoga Avenue, Suite 8 Santa Clara CA 95050 Author: Stanley Kubiak P.O. Box 190381 San Francisco CA 94119-0381 Hope this Helps. -Al ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 10:44:09 -0400 From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: ambulances Message-ID: <960724100306_244524786@emout16.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 96-07-23 20:55:30 EDT, you write: >Does anyone know of sources for scale-model WWI ambulances? Any scale (though >1:72 would be ideal!). Also trucks (camions) Bradley, I am not aware of any kits in 1/72, although there is a possibiliy that they exist in resin form. Looks like scratchbuild city. Airfix and Military Modelling magazine were pretty good for plans of truck and other soft skins. Glen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 10:57:30 -0400 (EDT) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Vehicles in 1/72 Message-ID: <199607241457.KAA12143@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Hi everyone! I'm back from Historicon and got into a new type of gaming while I was there....25mm WWI skirmish gaming. What this means that I'm going to be getting onto 1/72 scale WWI ground stuff (tanks, cars, trucks, etc) anyone have any good recomendations? Didn't airfix just re-release their Mark IV in 1/72? Thanks in advance, Al P.S. I'm also looking for info on trucks and cars, especially anything that might have been in Belgium in the early war used by either side. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 11:04:15 -0400 (EDT) From: "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" To: wwi Subject: RE: Vehicles in 1/72 Message-ID: <960724110415.202b7497@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU> Some time ago, one of my overseas friend sent me a 1/72nd scale (or close) of a Crossley Tender made by Matchbox. Maybe that company is a source for that vehicle and others? Peter Kilduff ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 11:04:44 -0400 (EDT) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Re: Vehicles in 1/72 Message-ID: <199607241504.LAA12300@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > Some time ago, one of my overseas friend sent me a 1/72nd scale (or > close) of a Crossley Tender made by Matchbox. Maybe that company is a source > for that vehicle and others? Wow! That's an early truck right? Sounds great! I'll start looking..... -Al ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 11:11:54 -0400 (EDT) From: "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" To: wwi Subject: Re: Vehicles in 1/72 Message-ID: <960724111154.202b7497@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU> I have to admit that it's been so long since I've done any serious modeling that a lot of this stuff comes from the dark recesses of my so-called mind. But the discussion is a catalyst -- so, here's another thought: Either Merit or Airfix had a series of WW I-vintage cars in "about" 1/72nd scale -- a Renault, a Rolls Royce (Silver Ghost?) and, I think, a Fiat truck. I may even have some in one of the boxes of old kits that I'll get to "someday." I'll send further info as a root around. At one time I had plans to do the kind of dioramas that you folks do and so I was identifying resources, such as the Crossley Tender and the Rolls Royce (which just "looks" like some \ General's staff car). More later. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 10:47:45 -0500 From: MEBA@cso.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Vehicles in 1/72 Message-ID: <199607241046.KAA26741@cso.com> On 24 Jul 96 at 10:58, Allan Wright typed diligantly: > I'm back from Historicon and got into a new type of gaming > while I was there....25mm WWI skirmish gaming. What this means that > I'm going to be getting onto 1/72 scale WWI ground stuff (tanks, > cars, trucks, etc) anyone have any good recomendations? Didn't > airfix just re-release their Mark IV in 1/72? According to the box, it's a Mk.I. According to the inside, it's not a specific version, without "converting". And it's 1/76th. > P.S. I'm also looking for info on trucks and cars, especially > anything that might have been in Belgium in the early war used by > either side. I, for one, am glad that all this interest has happened with the ground aspect of WW1. Once everybody gets their resources together, then I would like to have copies of them. Let me offer the first one: Airfix, Sep 77, Workhorses of WW1 (lorries) Military Modelling, Jun 82, Scratchbuilding Mobile AA Lorry Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 11:51:49 -0400 (EDT) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Re: Vehicles in 1/72 Message-ID: <199607241551.LAA12624@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > I have to admit that it's been so long since I've done any serious > modeling that a lot of this stuff comes from the dark recesses of my so-called > mind. But the discussion is a catalyst -- so, here's another thought: Either > Merit or Airfix had a series of WW I-vintage cars in "about" 1/72nd scale -- > a Renault, a Rolls Royce (Silver Ghost?) and, I think, a Fiat truck. I may Actually "about 1/72" sounds great - I'm using 25mm figures which are actually about 1/68 scale. -Al ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 11:53:56 -0400 (EDT) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Re: Vehicles in 1/72 Message-ID: <199607241553.LAA12674@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > According to the box, it's a Mk.I. According to the inside, it's not > a specific version, without "converting". And it's 1/76th. Ouch - that's going the wrong way - I was hoping for 1/68th. Well I'll probably still get it to see how close it is. > I, for one, am glad that all this interest has happened with the > ground aspect of WW1. Once everybody gets their resources together, > then I would like to have copies of them. Let me offer the first > one: > > Airfix, Sep 77, Workhorses of WW1 (lorries) > Military Modelling, Jun 82, Scratchbuilding Mobile AA Lorry Sounds like I'll have to get a copy of that. -Al ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 17:11:58 +0000 From: "Brian Bushe" To: wwi Subject: Re: Some stuff for that *other* scale Message-ID: <199607241612.RAA00977@itl.net> re: Re: Some stuff for that *other* sca > > Hi-Tech from France is listing the following items of interest to > > this group, all in 1/48th. > > > > Out now is: Albatros D.V superdetail; Albatross (sic) Dr.I > > conversion; Fokker DR.I (sic) Triplane Upgrade; Mercedes DIII A > > 160hp; and Mercedes D.III A 180hp. > > > > Due soon: Fokker D.VIII Conversion (huh?); and SPAD 12 "Canon/Gun" > > conversion. > > > If you have a look on pp 8-11, 22 of Scale MOdels International > [June 1996] you'll find a spread on Hi-Tech. Seems they specialise in > resin conversions in *both8 80) scales. > Haven't ever seen them in the "flesh", but they look impressive. > I thought i sent a brief appraisal of some of these a short while back. Hi tech resin is delightfully detailed and afaik bubble free. it is expensive (the albatros detail set is the same price as the Eduard Albatros as a guide, and could do with a bit more substance). The merc appears very nice. brian Brian Bushe syclone@itl.net Syclone Systems (44) 1628 789 470 Maidenhead Fax 789 513 Berkshire England ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 10:17:51 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: clarification Message-ID: Greetings all, In a post on Monday 22 July I responded to an inquiry regarding Over the Front subscriptions by typing: > > OVER THE FRONT subscriptions are US$ 42.00 per year > >* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > Peter Kilduff responded by typing: > Actually, annual dues are $37.00 (which includes 4th Class mailing) >First Class and Air Mail rates are available from our membership secretary. > I will further clarify this situation: Annual dues for 4th class delivery of Over the Front are the price stated above. Annual dues for 1st class delivery of Over the Front for 1996 are $48.00. Back issues of Over the Front are available as volume (year) sets and are $42.00 each. Volumes 3 through 10 (i.e. 1988-1995) are available. All information comes from literature provided by the League of WW I Aviation Historians My apologies for providing any confusion. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 14:56:30 -0700 From: "Mark L. Shannon" To: wwi Subject: Re: British Aircraft Camouflage Message-ID: <31F69C0D.6819@ix.netcom.com> SDW@qld.mim.com.au wrote: > > While I was away Alberto posted: > > (Some snips for space) > > >WW I British Aircraft Camouflage > > > >" ( v ) " = variant of typical color > >" ~ " = approximation of color > > > >Color Name Item No. Floquil Item Name > > > >PC12 110601 ZINC CHROMATE PRIMER > > I don't know offhand about the others but this seems VERY unlikely to me. > PC12 was a concoction of Red Ochre and Lamp Black pigments giving a > dark red-brown colour which would be most unlikely to look anything like > any Zinc Chromate primer I ever saw. > > Nevertheless, thanks Alberto for the considerable work on the French > colours which Iquite enjoyed. > > ShaneI looked at the paints in the store. Floquil "Zinc Chromate Primer" is a dull orange-brown in shade, unlike any other zinc chromate on the market. It looks like an ezuivalent (to me, at least) is Humbrol #100 red-brown. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 11:25:40 -0500 From: MEBA@cso.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Some stuff for that *other* scale Message-ID: <199607241125.LAA01887@cso.com> On 24 Jul 96 at 12:10, Brian Bushe typed diligantly: > I thought i sent a brief appraisal of some of these a short while > back. Hi tech resin is delightfully detailed and afaik bubble > free. it is expensive (the albatros detail set is the same price > as the Eduard Albatros as a guide, and could do with a bit more > substance). The merc appears very nice. Wow. Over here, the Albatros set goes for US$14, which is at least US$10 less than the Albatros. I would suspect that the price difference is in the Albatros, maybe? Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 11:21:37 -0500 From: MEBA@cso.com To: wwi Subject: Re: WWI in the Air (23 Jul 1916) Message-ID: <199607241120.LAA01667@cso.com> On 24 Jul 96 at 1:07, mark typed diligantly: > Fascinating stuff....Kind of a "80 years ago in WWI Aviation"...Do > you subscribe to this list? Does it contain much aviation content > or is this something new? Continue to forward these when you run > across them, it's all very interesting! I used to sub to that list as well. Unsubbed when I had to cut down on number of groups, and although it's great history, just not enough for the "modeling world". If you've got the time, sub. There are a lot of great discussions there, especially if you're interested in the general military stuff. Plus, the WW1 in the air bit is just icing. Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 11:05:24 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: RE: Dayton Fly-In Message-ID: To continue a thread: > >Carlos posted recently (in part) > >> I got my info on Stark's D.VII mainly from a friend who has been >>studying his various machines. According to this source, Stark's >>OAW-built D.VII, 4523/18, was covered in four-color lozenge fabric. In >>addition, according to Wally Tripp in WWI Aero 102, all OAW D.VII from >>s/n 2000/18 through about 8507/18 used four-color fabric. I am very >>interested in the subject of D.VII finishes and would welcome any >>further information or corrections. To which Shane responded: >I first read the article mentioned some months ago (in research for a >D.VII model project) and thought, to steal a phrase, that Dan san Abbot >had provided me with the answer to a maidens prayers. However a little >further down the line I became a bit suspicious that Dan was making a >few sweeping statements not supported by the evidence. At the time, I >believe I found three photos which didn't fit his list, but last night >(in a rush) could only find one of them to share with the list. > >My example: Dan San Abbots article claims that > >"All Albatros- built Fok. D.VII machines from s/n 527/18 through >D.6899/18 were covered with four color dar dark and light lozenge printed >fabric..." > >A beautifully clear photo at the foot of page 10 of Windsock Datafile #9 >(Fokker D.VII) is captioned as being covered by 5 colour fabric. In my >opinion the caption is undeniably correct, since the pattern is clearly a >5 colour fabric. The aircrafts s/n is also clearly legible as Fok. D.VII >(Alb) 611/18 . > >I never found enough evidence to disprove Dan Abbot if he'd said "most >Albatros- built...", but I'm fairly sure they weren't ALL 4 colour. > <<<> To follow up on this I have taken a small survey of Fokker D-VII photos and recorded the lozenge type on machines for which the serial number was at least partially discernable. I examined the following publications: Datafile #9 Fokker D-VII Profile #25 Fokker D-VII Fokker Fighters of WW I -Vintage Warbirds series German Air aces of WW I -Vintage Warbirds series German Army Air service of WW I- Vintage Warbirds series Windsock JG.1 Special Windsock Vol. 12/2 World War One Aeroplanes #152 Some of my results: Maker Serial # Lozenge type Fok.D-VII (OAW) 4197/18 ,4 color Fok.D-VII (OAW) 4524/18, 4 color Fok.D-VII (OAW) 45xx/18 ,4 color Fok.D-VII (OAW) 4635/18 ,4 color (??) Fok.D-VII (OAW) 6376/18 ,4 color Fok.D-VII (OAW) 8425/18, 4 color Fok.D-VII (OAW) 8493/18, 4 color Fok.D-VII (OAW) xx98/18, 4 color Fok.D-VII 10348/18 , 5 color Fok.D-VII 5278/18, 4 color Fok.D-VII 6825/18 ,4 color Fok.D-VII 7774/18 ,4 color Fok.D-VII 7776/18 ,4 color Fok.D-VII F 4330/18 ,4 color Fok.D-VII F 461/18 ,4 color Fok.D-VII F 7732/18, 4 color Fok.D-VII F 7772/18 ,5 color The letter "F" in the serial designates machines fitted with 185 HP BMW engine. Note that for the Fokker built machines there is variation between fabrics used on machines that are very close in sequence with regard to serial number. It pays to check sources. HTH Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 13:21:50 -0500 From: Charles_A._Duckworth@notes.up.com (Charles A. Duckworth) To: wwi Subject: Thread Message-ID: <1996Jul24.112033.1155.456279@uprr-internet.notes.up.com> FE2b - Aeroclub Still plugging away on the Fee; Fuselage interior completed. The wings came in three sections so one has to 1) glue with ACC 2) fill the gaps with Dr. Micro putty 3) scrape and wet/dry sand putty 4) spray primer grey to denote screwups go back to steps 2/3. Then add top and bottom wing tapes using drafting tape that were removed during step 3. (I keep telling myself this is a HOBBY)! Sopwith Pup - Eduard Thought fuselage was completed until I read Harry's article in Windsock on needing to remove plastic around the tail and beef up the stringer; interior glued together with Evergreen plastic used to give a more 3-D look to the interior bracing. Tossed the fuselage back in the box and will wait for the mood to hit me to begin craving away. SE5a - mix of Monogram/Lindbergh parts Narrowed the fuselage, redoing the cockpit opening, purchased Eduard interior set. Narrowing the struts. Paint scheme will be Home Defense SE5 with the PC10/blue diamonds. Am sure as soon as this guy is completed Eduard will release a beautiful SE5a!! ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jul 96 07:33:00 EDT From: SDW@qld.mim.com.au To: wwi%pease1.sr.unh.edu@teksup.mim.com.au Subject: RE: British Aircraft Camouflage Message-ID: <199607242156.HAA02950@mimmon.mim.com.au> Someone whose name I can't extract kindly explains: > ShaneI looked at the paints in the store. Floquil "Zinc Chromate Primer" is >a dull orange-brown in shade, unlike any other zinc chromate on the market. > It looks like an ezuivalent (to me, at least) is Humbrol #100 red-brown. Ah-ha, don't get no smelly ole Floquil in these parts, so I'm unable to have a look. However, the name is a serious invitation for the uninitiated to get things wrong big time. Thanks for the use of the 5000 mile eyeball. And apropos "brown zinc chromate", did anyone on the list EVER see any 1:1 scale brown zinc chromate primer or have Floquil got themselves mixed up with Lead Oxide primer (which IS orange-brown) Regards Shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 96 17:56:21 EDT From: cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) To: wwi Subject: Re: Aerodrome address Message-ID: <199607242156.RAA15139@conted.swann.gatech.edu> Al, Thanks for the address: I'll let the list know if there are any t-shirts still available. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 16:08:22 +0000 From: Robert Johnson To: wwi Subject: RE: British Aircraft Camouflage Message-ID: <9607241603.aa06396@scosysv.speechsys.com> Shane writes: > And apropos "brown zinc chromate", did anyone on the list EVER see any > 1:1 scale brown zinc chromate primer or have Floquil got themselves mixed > up with Lead Oxide primer (which IS orange-brown) Zinc chromate does come in lots of shades from yellow through green to orangish. But no brown that I have seen. For what its worth, I immediately thought that lead oxide ("hull red" or "primer red") was what they probably meant. I have used hull red with a touch of WW2 USAAF olive drab for the brownish olive of USAAC airplanes of the '20s and '30s. Rob, robj@speechsys.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 15:39:00 -0700 From: t_eisen@ix.netcom.com (Thomas Eisenhour) To: wwi Subject: Re: Thread Message-ID: <199607242239.PAA19558@dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com> Charles wrote: >SE5a - mix of Monogram/Lindbergh parts >Narrowed the fuselage, redoing the cockpit opening, purchased Eduard interior set. Narrowing the struts. Charles: Which parts from which kits are you using? Tom Eisenhour t_eisen@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 17:39:16 -0500 From: Charles_A._Duckworth@notes.up.com (Charles A. Duckworth) To: wwi Subject: Vehicles Message-ID: <1996Jul24.152009.1155.456868@uprr-internet.notes.up.com> To my knowledge the only small plastic WWI non-aircraft models is the Airfix Mark I tank and their Royal Horse Artillery set that was circa BEF 1914. Airfix showed these both as 'OO' scale, They also issued a set of German, French, British and American WWI soldiers in this scale. An FT-17 was issued with a WWII French Char B tank by Matchbox and is a nicely done model - too bad they didn't release separately; these - I'm guessing were in 1/76 scale. The pre-WWI auto's that Airfix issued were in 1/32 - I don't think they ever did these vehicles in a smaller scale. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 19:16:11 -0400 From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Aeroclub stuff -- Mad Cows and Englishmen Message-ID: <960724191610_369446848@emout15.mail.aol.com> We need the following Brit Kits: 1/48 SE5a 1/72 RE8 1/48 1 1/2 strutter 1/72 BE12 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 19:42:06 -0500 From: "William B. Bacom" To: wwi Subject: Re: Vehicles Message-ID: <31F6C2DE.5205@genesis.net> Squadron's July Supplement has the following listed: 7-AX01315 Airfix Mk I WWI tank $3.99 7-PK0176 Matchbox Renault FT17 & Char B1 $8.99 For you T-shirt people, The September 1996 issue of "Aviation History" has an ad from Air Wear listng T-shirts with Hat in the Ring (SPAD), Dawn Patrol (Camel) [Illustrated threee Camel in Echelon], The Red Baron, Albatros Scout, Nungesser's Black Heart, Lafayette Escadrille. Sizes M-L-XL $14.00 ea/ $2.50 P&H The illustration is in b&w but catalog available SASE to: Sky Etchings, Inc. P.O. Box855 Syosset, NY 11791 Aviator's Guild (Book Club) has Peter K's great "Beyond the Legend of the Red Baron" as one of their premiums for joining. Yes Peter I paid for mine and it is still great. Militar Book Club has "Under the Guns of the Red Baron" as one of their premiums for joining. (note: Peter, your book counts as two and the other as only one) "under the Guns" has biography's and photos of all of MvR's victories. Very interesting. The two WWI tanks are 1/76 scale. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 20:56:22 -0500 From: bobmills@MSIS.dmso.mil (Robert J. Mills, Jr.) To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Zinc Chromate ((ZnCrO4) Ain't A Color Message-ID: Shane wrote: > And apropos "brown zinc chromate", did anyone on the list EVER see any > 1:1 scale brown zinc chromate primer or have Floquil got themselves mixed > up with Lead Oxide primer (which IS orange-brown) and Rob added: Zinc chromate does come in lots of shades from yellow through green to orangish. But no brown that I have seen.... - Floquil certainly did NOT get it wrong--brownish red zinc chromate is a common sight to anyone who has the opportunity to watch steel in building construction, railroads, or to repair rust damage to cars. - The latest thread concerning the miscommunications about what color "Zinc Chromate" is illuminating--many aircraft modelers (especially those of us old enough to remember a color call "Chromate Green in a line of US hobby paints called "Official") tend to think of the color yellow or chartreuse when we hear the a color described as being "Zinc Chromate" green or yellow. The truth is that there is no standard color for "Zinc Chromate." - The McGraw-Hill Dictionary of Scienfic and Technical Terms (4th Ed) notes that Zinc chromate " is a toxic, yellow powder that is insoluable in water, soluable in acids; used as a pigment in paints (artists', automotive, primer), varnishes, linoleum, and epoxy laminates." -These qualities make ZnCrO4 useful as an anti-oxidant coatingespecially for things like structural steel, railroad cars, automobile bodies, etc. In short, chances are pretty good that most people on this list have probably seen a red-brown shade of "zinc chromate....they just didn't realize it. Regards, Bob Mills rjm@rcinet.com bobmills@msis.dmso.mil ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 23:40:24 -0700 From: lothar@ncw.net (mark) To: wwi Subject: Re: Living Aces Message-ID: <199607250640.XAA06314@bing.ncw.net> >Guys, > Here's one who's still with us (a friend corresponds with him): >Briton Gwilym H. Lewis--author of Wings Over the Somme--32 and 40 Sqds., >12 victories in the British scoring scheme, awarded the DFC. > Carlos Hey Carlos - Cool! Makes me wonder what Mr. Lewis would think of our mailing list...man, if we could only get <> online! Since I doubt that's an option...would your friend be open to sharing some of Lewis' correspondence with you, and then the mailing list? If not, I'd sure like to know where to get his book... thanks, Mark ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 201 *********************