WWI Digest 198 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) The League of World War I Aviation Historians by "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" 2) RE: New thread by SDW@qld.mim.com.au 3) Re: Aeroclub stuff -- a question by "Valenciano . Jose" 4) Subsrcibe to your group by SOPWITH@worldnet.att.net 5) Re: Subsrcibe to your group by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 6) Fokker asymmetrical ailerons by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 7) Re: Remedial Modelling 101 by bciciora@wwa.com 8) Re: Chapman's plane by djones@iex.com (Douglas R. Jones) 9) Re: Chapman's plane by u1a00518@wvnvm.wvnet.edu 10) Re: Chapman's plane by "William B. Bacom" 11) Re: LeRhone question by "William B. Bacom" 12) RE: Remedial modeling 101 by SDW@qld.mim.com.au 13) WW1 in perspective by SDW@qld.mim.com.au 14) Re: WW1 in perspective by "Brian Bushe" 15) RE: Subsrcibe to your group by "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" 16) Re: The League of World War I Aviation Historians by MEBA@cso.com 17) RE: New thread by MEBA@cso.com 18) Re: Remedial Modelling 101 by iceman@ro.com (Eli Geher) 19) Some stuff for that *other* scale by MEBA@cso.com 20) Re: Some stuff for that *other* scale by MEBA@cso.com 21) Re: The League of World War I Aviation Historians by "Joseph J. Gentile, III" 22) Re: Aeroclub stuff -- a question by Mick Fauchon 23) Dayton Fly-In by cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) 24) Re: Some stuff for that *other* scale by Robert Johnson 25) Re: Remedial Modelling 101 by Robert Johnson 26) Re: Fokker asymmetrical ailerons by Robert Johnson 27) Re: Some stuff for that *other* scale by MEBA@cso.com 28) Re: Fokker asymmetrical ailerons by MEBA@cso.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 17:32:47 -0400 (EDT) From: "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" To: wwi Subject: The League of World War I Aviation Historians Message-ID: <960721173247.202b4a4b@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU> Thanks very much to all the folks who contacted me off-line for information about The League of World War I Aviation Historians. Your brochures are in the mail. For those who have not yet inquired, here's the executive summary: The League of World War I Aviation Historians is a non-profit organization, approved by the U.S. Internal Revenue Service, and devoted entirely to serving its members' interest in studying and preserving information about early military air operations. The League's growing number of regional chapters and biennial national seminars (e.g., 3-day meeting in Washington last month) puts members in touch with like-minded colleagues. In publication since 1986, The League's quarterly publication, OVER THE FRONT, is 8-1/2" x 11" in size and contains 96 pages of text, artwork and many rarely-seen photos -- all within high-quality, full-color artwork and/or photo covers. The journal accepts *no* commercial advertising and publishes an annual, audited accounting of how members' dues are spent (and not on staff, who are all unpaid volunteers; likewise, Board of Director members are nominated by members and voted on by the membership). OVER THE FRONT is professionally typeset and printed on high-quality paper to assure excellent reproduction. OTF offers a wide array of articles and regular features, including: column on markings and colors of the various belligerents, a forum for comments and information-sharing, column for modelers with tips and info for kit and scratch-builders, a book and publication review column, and an obituary column which records the passing of the few WW I fliers still among us. For more info and a membership application (very tough criteria: you have to write a check) please drop me an e-mail note. Thanks! Peter Kilduff League Publicity Director e-mail: KILDUFF@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU ------------------------------ Date: 22 Jul 96 09:09:00 EDT From: SDW@qld.mim.com.au To: wwi%pease1.sr.unh.edu@teksup.mim.com.au Subject: RE: New thread Message-ID: <199607212333.JAA29005@mimmon.mim.com.au> Hi all, REAL late (since I'm just back from leave) Ianswer Matts query >What is everybody working on, WW1 wise? Just finished a Dragon Fokker D.VII in Schutzels Seven Swabians markings Almost finished a Pegasus Roland D.II in munchkin scale (holiday project - not real modelling) ((all in 1/48) Nie 17 near scratchbuild - just finished new wings Brisfit scratchbuild - completed engine block and inst panel in the last week Albatros W.4 scratchbuild - mainplanes completed, tailfeathers under construction (how will I do the fuselage?) Albatros B.IIa scratchbuild - mainplanes completed except for refining trailing edges/wingtips Eduard Albatros D.V - bought several, MUCH fondling but no progress Secret project number 1 - made wings (BIG bastards) (BTW, secret because it save me having folk harassing me to complete what may very well be a project WAY beyond my limited skills) Now I get to wait 12 months for time to progress any of this stuff Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 07:47:28 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Aeroclub stuff -- a question Message-ID: On Sun, 21 Jul 1996, Mick Fauchon wrote: > Jose, > > > > Aaaand, I think I read somewhere that they're coming out with the Be2c > > too!! > > It couldn't be worse that their old vac-form offering: it was > a *DOG*!! A few questions here: 1) We're talking in 1/48 scale, right? 2) I you are thinking in 1/48 mode, maybe you're referring to Falcon's Be2c? I've got one half made on the shelf (next is to make those long struts. UGH!) ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 00:40:22 +0000 From: SOPWITH@worldnet.att.net To: wwi Subject: Subsrcibe to your group Message-ID: <19960722004020.AAA11541@LOCALNAME> How do I subscribe ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 18:59:12 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: Subsrcibe to your group Message-ID: SOPWITH@worldnet.att.net inquired: >How do I subscribe Subscription Information: Send requests to subscribe or unsubscribe to wwi-request@pease1.sr.unh.edu. This is done by the listproc mailing list software automaticly. You will receive confirmation of your transaction via e-mail. Some important commands are: subscribe wwi Your_Real_Name unsubscribe wwi review wwi - shows who is subscribed information wwi - get information about the list help - get a much more detailed file about listproc commands end HTH Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 19:18:29 -0700 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Fokker asymmetrical ailerons Message-ID: <199607220218.AA00555@ednet1.orednet.org> Uncle! I give! Having finally received my copy of Alex Imrie's book, "The Fokker Triplane" and spending a couple of days studying the photos, I think I'm convinced that Imrie is -right- and I was wrong. There WERE more triplanes than just Stapenhorst's Dr.I 144/17 with asymmetrical ailerons and this asymmetry was intentional - Stapenhorst's aircraft probably came that way from Schwerin and was not, despite appearances, a field modification or repair. While the numbers of aircraft equipped with the asymmetrical ailerons was obviously quite small, they -did- exist. Just when I think I know it all - bang! Just goes to show it never pays to get too dogmatic in this WW1 aviation business. (Take note, you color police fuzz!) Which brings up a couple of related observations and questions. 1) Imrie indicates that when the old 'small' ailerons were 'used up' utilizing this asymmetrical application, the 'small' aileron was used on the starboard wing "in an attempt to increase the roll rate to the right and so further improve the triplane's lightening right-hand turn." a) Were the aileron's on the triplane indeed reversible? Imrie seems to be indicating that the ailerons were identical and that the starboard aileron could be installed on the port wing and vice versa merely by flipping it 180 degrees. This -seems- unlikely but is there any better information out there? b) Why would a smaller aileron on the starboard wing improve (or be thought to improve) the right-hand turning abilities of the triplane? I mean, if the starboard aileron goes up (and the starboard wing goes down) for a right-hand turn, exactly the opposite -has- to happen with the port aileron and wing. I can see where changing the total size of ailerons (symmetrically -or- asymmetrically) could change the rate of turn but I can't see why a smaller starboard (or larger port) aileron would improve -right-hand- turns specifically. Any aeronautical engineering types who can explain this? 2) Imrie's book points out that there are actually 3 and not merely two types of triplane ailerons - the 'small' aileron with the 'large' aerodynamic counterbalance as used on the F.I's and the earliest Dr.I's, the 'small' aileron with the 'small' aerodynamic counterbalance as used on some of the next batch of Dr.I's (and as used on the triplanes with the asymmetrical ailerons), and the 'large' ailerons as used on all the later tripes. This was news to me but, of course, after studying the photos, Imrie is right, once again. This means, of course, that those of us modeling either MvR or Voss's F.I's are going to not only have to modify the tail plane and remove the landing skids from the wings but also modify the ailerons to the "small aileron, large counterbalance" type. Folks modeling any of the earliest Dr. I's are going to have to make the same aileron modification. 3) Page 36 of Imrie's book has a photo of Stapenhorst's tripe which I don't remember seeing before. There does appear to be something decidedly strange going on with the starboard aileron of the aircraft in this photo - the leading edge of the aerodynamic counterbalance seems to be decidedly curved rather than the straight leading edge with a small rounded corner which is the norm. It looks too smooth for battle damage and it doesn't appear to be an artifact of camera angle. Any ideas? Cheers, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "There are not enough Indians in the country to whip the Seventh Cavalry!" -George Armstrong Custer- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jul 96 22:19 CDT From: bciciora@wwa.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Remedial Modelling 101 Message-ID: On: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 11:32:40 Eli Geher wrote: > While I am in total agreement with most of the preceding messages, > I would offer a slight caution with regard to Future polish. It > is not compatible with all acrylic paints. Have you experienced any problems with Future and enamels? By the way, I was in Dayton this last weekend for the WWI fly-in and saw your YB-17A in the USAF museum. Nice work! Did you convert a B-17F kit or scratchbuild the whole thing? Bill C. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 22:17:14 -0500 From: djones@iex.com (Douglas R. Jones) To: wwi Subject: Re: Chapman's plane Message-ID: <9607220319.AA17161@deimos.tx.iex.com> >"New evidence" is all I can say. However, "official" is becoming >close to the correct word. ;-) Hmmm. Can't be too new as the folks at Rhinebeck were painting the 'C' sometime last summer. It is clearly in the photos I have. Do not remember the details of how they researched it. Only that it required international work and a whole lot of dedication! Doug -------------------------------------------------- 'I am a traveler of | Douglas R. Jones both Time and Space' | IEX Corporation Led Zeppelin | (214)301-1307 | djones@iex.com -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 23:44:52 -0400 From: u1a00518@wvnvm.wvnet.edu To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Chapman's plane Message-ID: <199607220344.XAA14950@ns1.dmsc.net> On Sun, 21 Jul 1996, djones@iex.com (Douglas R. Jones) wrote: >>"New evidence" is all I can say. However, "official" is becoming >>close to the correct word. ;-) > >Hmmm. Can't be too new as the folks at Rhinebeck were painting the 'C' >sometime last summer. It is clearly in the photos I have. Do not remember >the details of how they researched it. Only that it required international >work and a whole lot of dedication! > Does anyone on this list know anything more about the evidence that Chapman had a "C" on his Nieuport, and which machine it was, the "80", the "110", or both? Would it be possible for some good photos of the Rhinebeck replica of Chapman's plane to be included in the photo archives of the Website? Bradley Omanson ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 23:57:46 -0500 From: "William B. Bacom" To: wwi Subject: Re: Chapman's plane Message-ID: <31F30A4A.6B10@genesis.net> Would suggest that the "C" would be on the cream 80 HP machine he was flying when wounded. The "new" 110 HP machine had just been painted before he was killed. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 23:59:51 -0500 From: "William B. Bacom" To: wwi Subject: Re: LeRhone question Message-ID: <31F30AC7.5D3C@genesis.net> Matt, I have the Harlyford and Harborough books and will copy the pages if it will help Bill ------------------------------ Date: 22 Jul 96 13:31:00 EDT From: SDW@qld.mim.com.au To: wwi%pease1.sr.unh.edu@teksup.mim.com.au Subject: RE: Remedial modeling 101 Message-ID: <199607220634.QAA03488@mimmon.mim.com.au> >Future is the greatest thing in the world for fixing scratches in canopies. Yeah, but real airplanes don't got no steekin can o' peas. ;-) Shane ------------------------------ Date: 22 Jul 96 16:38:00 EDT From: SDW@qld.mim.com.au To: wwi%pease1.sr.unh.edu@teksup.mim.com.au Subject: WW1 in perspective Message-ID: <199607220702.RAA03803@mimmon.mim.com.au> Hello all, Not directly modelling, but WW1. While on leave in my home town of Allora, Queensland, Australia, a small one of about 2000 population, I spent a happy afternoon in the local museum. One item there prompted some solemn research on the effect of WW1 on that town. According to a Shire Census of 1 July 1912, the population was then 768 souls. This was the document which prompted my research. I wandered off to the local Returned Services League club and discovered from the roll of honour therein that Allora had sent 219 men and 2 women to war in WW1. To say this shocked me is an understatement, since that probably represents nearly 60% of the total male population, and something like 80 - 90 percent of the men eligible by age (though at least one of my great uncles signed on at a real age of 16) I am, BTW, assuming no great change in population between 1912 and 1914, a reasonable proposition if you know the town and its history. What REALLY makes one recognise that our passion for WW1 is a littel thing compared to those alive then is the 71 names on the memorial, representing those killed or missing in action, plus 4 others I could trace as having "died of wounds" after they returned. This represents more than 30% of the volunteers dead, some 1 in every 10 of the whole population of a small country town thousands of miles away from a war which could easily be described as "none of our business" If I extrapolate the casualty figures, I believe that at least half of the survivors would have been wounded. This is born out by a memory I have of watching a "large number" of amputees (maybe as few as 5 !!), on crutches or in wheelchairs in the Anzac parade of 1963 (my sisters birthday, I watched them marshalling the parade from the hospital verandah). Most seemed like dreadfully old men to my then 6 year old eyes. Maybe Allora learned its lesson. or WW2 was nowhere near so fierce as WW1, since the names of the dead of that second war are far less numerous. Or maybe not, because I learned that two of the WW2 dead were sons of WW1 dead. Some other sad details. I have 8 relatives on that monument, though none named Weier (their names are on another memorial, in another town). Three families lost 5 members, one of those a father and all his boys. I wonder if his wife/their mother would have approved of my modelling activities, regards Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 11:01:37 +0000 From: "Brian Bushe" To: wwi Subject: Re: WW1 in perspective Message-ID: <199607221011.LAA03417@itl.net> re: WW1 in perspective > Or maybe not, because I learned that two of the WW2 dead were sons of WW1 > dead. > > Some other sad details. I have 8 relatives on that monument, though none > named Weier (their names are on another memorial, in another town). > Three families lost 5 members, one of those a father and all his boys. > I wonder if his wife/their mother would have approved of my modelling > activities, The antipodeans suffered quite seriously in terms of percentage population. I don't know the figures for Australia but from memory New Zealand turned in a voluntary enlistment rate of 40% of those eligible. I often wondered how many of these were just people like me wanting to get away and see the world..... Together with the Australians the New Zealanders took a pounding in several actions, particularly at Gallipoli, but obvoulsy didn't learn their lesson, as New Zealand declared war on Germany before Great Britain did in ww2, shipped all their troops out and then had to get the yanks in to protect NZ from the Japanese while all the boys were North Africa. As to whether the widows of the dead would approve of your modelling, at least you remember who gave their lives for their beliefs, and how much it cost their families. I also feel sorry for the young men who died for their country in ww2 but who will be forever known as Nazi's, whether they were or not. any more morbid thoughts for the day? brian Brian Bushe syclone@itl.net Syclone Systems (44) 1628 789 470 Maidenhead Fax 789 513 Berkshire England ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 8:08:53 -0400 (EDT) From: "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" To: wwi Subject: RE: Subsrcibe to your group Message-ID: <960722080853.202961f3@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU> Send me your snail-mail address and I'll send you a membership applica- tion. If you "like" WW I, you will LOVE our group! Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 07:52:33 -0500 From: MEBA@cso.com To: wwi Subject: Re: The League of World War I Aviation Historians Message-ID: <199607220751.HAA09082@cso.com> On 21 Jul 96 at 17:32, PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY REL typed diligantly: > For those who have not yet inquired, here's the executive summary: Hey, if you enjoy modeling in our era, then you should subscribe. Sure, some of you feel the same about C&CI, but the advantage of OtF versus C&CI is that there are more items geared towards modeling. Take the latest issue, for example. Greg's article on the Halberstadt CL.II is a *must* for anyone building this plane, and the League of Modelers article on the Hanriot HD.1 is a nice companion to other items already out on this aircraft. Plus, the color plates on the back cover of three HD.1's are really great, and helpful if you can't find the right scheme to finish it in. I for one, will probably subscribe until one of us demises. ;-) Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 07:57:06 -0500 From: MEBA@cso.com To: wwi Subject: RE: New thread Message-ID: <199607220756.HAA09979@cso.com> On 21 Jul 96 at 19:12, SDW@qld.mim.com.au typed diligantly: First of all, let me state that (1) I'm glad my primary scale is 1/72nd, since Shane enjoys scratching all these, and (2) I'm glad that he's down under, and not around these parts. It's bad enough having to "compete" with Hustad! ;-) > Just finished a Dragon Fokker D.VII in Schutzels Seven Swabians > markings Almost finished a Pegasus Roland D.II in munchkin scale > (holiday project - not real modelling) I would be happy to see how you finished your D.II. Since mine is still in progress, I'm intersted in seeing any already built. And, as just an aside because of the scale, it's the closest you'll ever come to real modelling! > Nie 17 near scratchbuild - just finished new wings Okay, even if it's in 1/48th, at least you're building the right airplane! > Eduard Albatros D.V - bought several, MUCH fondling but no > progress See my next post. > Secret project number 1 - made wings (BIG bastards) (BTW, secret > because it save me having folk harassing me to complete what may > very well be a project WAY beyond my limited skills) Hey, don't cut yourself short! Just plug away, a little at a time, and soon it will be complete. Just don't get married, or have kids. Then the time gets away from you faster than anything! :-) > Now I get to wait 12 months for time to progress any of this stuff Only 12?... Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 08:18:20 -0500 From: iceman@ro.com (Eli Geher) To: wwi Subject: Re: Remedial Modelling 101 Message-ID: <199607221318.IAA15247@sh1.ro.com> Bill C. wrote: >On: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 11:32:40 Eli Geher wrote: > >> While I am in total agreement with most of the preceding messages, >> I would offer a slight caution with regard to Future polish. It >> is not compatible with all acrylic paints. > >Have you experienced any problems with Future and enamels? No. As far as I know, Future acrylic floor polish doesn't cause any problem with anything except some of the acrylic modelling paints. Drying time is probably a factor, but I don't know of any definitive scientific study. I put Future over enamel yesterday, and it looks allright today. > >By the way, I was in Dayton this last weekend for the WWI fly-in and >saw your YB-17A in the USAF museum. Nice work! Did you convert a B-17F >kit or scratchbuild the whole thing? > >Bill C. The YB-17 is the old Rareplanes vacuform kit, with a few bits from either a Revell or Airfix B-17 tacked on. It wasn't actually old when I built it. That was a long time ago. Eli Geher ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 08:29:15 -0500 From: MEBA@cso.com To: WW1 Modelers Subject: Some stuff for that *other* scale Message-ID: <199607220828.IAA12540@cso.com> Not sure if people have seen these listed, but... Hi-Tech from France is listing the following items of interest to this group, all in 1/48th. Out now is: Albatros D.V superdetail; Albatross (sic) Dr.I conversion; Fokker DR.I (sic) Triplane Upgrade; Mercedes DIII A 160hp; and Mercedes D.III A 180hp. Due soon: Fokker D.VIII Conversion (huh?); and SPAD 12 "Canon/Gun" conversion. The ad is from the latest IPMS/USA Journal, and is from a shop called "SavOn Hobbies". I also think that Hi-Tech is available from Meteor, and Aviation Usk, as well - though I'm not 100% sure about these last two. If you need more info, let me know. Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 08:49:09 -0500 From: MEBA@cso.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Some stuff for that *other* scale Message-ID: <199607220848.IAA13759@cso.com> On 22 Jul 96 at 9:31, MEBA@gatekeeper.cso.com typed diligantly: > Due soon: Fokker D.VIII Conversion (huh?); and SPAD 12 "Canon/Gun" > conversion. I wanted to mention this, but forgot. In the Arco-Aircam (Glencoe) book on the SPAD, there's a picture of a SPAD 12 in USAS service. According to the caption, the only one in US service. Does anybody know if a SPAD 12 is made in 1/72nd - or, what conversion is necessary? Was the only difference the cannon/gun in the nose? Also, since I know you're all reading this, what's a good source for Lewis drums in 1/72nd? I'm thinking of trashing some kit guns just to get the drums, but was wondering if any aftermarket drums are available. TIA! Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 08:54:06 -0500 (CDT) From: "Joseph J. Gentile, III" To: wwi Subject: Re: The League of World War I Aviation Historians Message-ID: <199607221354.IAA29513@Walden.MO.NET> At 08:55 AM 7/22/96 -0400, you wrote: >On 21 Jul 96 at 17:32, PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY REL typed >diligantly: > >> For those who have not yet inquired, here's the executive summary: > > > >Hey, if you enjoy modeling in our era, then you should subscribe. >Sure, some of you feel the same about C&CI, but the advantage of OtF >versus C&CI is that there are more items geared towards modeling. >Take the latest issue, for example. > >Greg's article on the Halberstadt CL.II is a *must* for anyone >building this plane, and the League of Modelers article on the >Hanriot HD.1 is a nice companion to other items already out on this >aircraft. Plus, the color plates on the back cover of three HD.1's >are really great, and helpful if you can't find the right scheme to >finish it in. > >I for one, will probably subscribe until one of us demises. ;-) > > >Matt >meba@cso.com > > >Matt, please provide me with information on how to subscribe to this publication. Thank you, Joe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 22:38:06 +1000 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Aeroclub stuff -- a question Message-ID: Jose, > 1) We're talking in 1/48 scale, right? Right! > 2) I you are thinking in 1/48 mode, maybe you're referring to Falcon's > Be2c? Right again! I'd shelved it away so far out of sight that my memory failed me. That'll teach me to fire before I've got my guns run out 80) I've got one half made on the shelf (next is to make those long > struts. UGH!) UGH! indeed! I doubt if mine will ever get made. Apologies, Mick. *sitarist *BTW, is this what my wife informs me it is? -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 96 11:04:14 EDT From: cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) To: wwi Subject: Dayton Fly-In Message-ID: <199607221504.LAA09696@conted.swann.gatech.edu> Hey guys, I got back from Dayton last night and thought I'd offer a brief report. This was my first trip to the USAH Museum, and I had a great time. While not all of the aircraft were easily accessible--some were hanging from the ceiling--this place is a must for anyone interested in aviation. The WWI section is good, but I was miffed that the repro Dr.I and the real SPAD XVI and Halb. CL.IV were not at ground level. The museum shops had some good, affordable prints on several WWI subjects, a few of which I picked up. The bookstore also is nicely stocked, although one would not find any rare ietms there. The fly-in itself was a bit disappointing. In terms of numbers of both A/C and vendors, it did not match Aerodromes 92 and 94. Still, it was great to see the planes in the air, specially the repro Dr.I, F2b, and Pup and the REAL Thomas Morse scout. (BTW, one of my traveling companions--who knew the pilot--got us close to the Bristol, and he even got a ride in it! Lucky dog.) Besides the above, the only other flying A/C there were a quartet of 7/8 scale SE5a's; there was also an unfinished Ni. 11 and something else I couldn't recognize. Still, biannual that this was the first of a projected biannual event and taking into account the great location, this was a good weekend indeed. (And Peter, those of us from the new Georgia Chapter of the League got a chance to talk to Jim S.) Oh yes, there were also some excellent R/C models there, including a jaw-dropping 1/3 scale Dr.I, scratchbuilt. Later. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 09:28:25 +0000 From: Robert Johnson To: wwi Subject: Re: Some stuff for that *other* scale Message-ID: <9607220923.aa13504@scosysv.speechsys.com> Matt < meba@cso.com> writes: > Does anybody know if a SPAD 12 is made in 1/72nd - or, what > conversion is necessary? Was the only difference the cannon/gun in > the nose? This would be an extensive conversion. Dimensions and proportions are visibly different. > Also, since I know you're all reading this, what's a good source for > Lewis drums in 1/72nd? Couldn't you just make them from slices of plastic rod? Rob, robj@speechsys.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 09:32:50 +0000 From: Robert Johnson To: wwi Subject: Re: Remedial Modelling 101 Message-ID: <9607220928.aa13540@scosysv.speechsys.com> > >Have you experienced any problems with Future and enamels? In reply Eli Geher writes >No. As far as I know, Future acrylic floor polish doesn't cause any problem with >anything except some of the acrylic modelling paints. I have heard that problems are actually WORSE with enamels, because of the far greater drying time and the greater chance for solvent entrapment. Those I know that use them with Future use a drying oven and/or a lot of patience to prevent the dreaded carcking and wrinkling. Rob, robj@speechsys.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 09:43:05 +0000 From: Robert Johnson To: wwi Subject: Re: Fokker asymmetrical ailerons Message-ID: <9607220938.aa13618@scosysv.speechsys.com> Bill Shatzer writes > Why would a smaller aileron on the starboard wing improve > (or be thought to improve) the right-hand turning abilities of > the triplane? My guess would be that it was meant to counter or, perhaps, enhance engine torque (I can't remember which way the Oberursel turned). Longer wings were sometimes used on other aircraft (which I can't remember) so that the extra lift would counteract the torque. Rob, robj@speechsys.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 10:48:35 -0500 From: MEBA@cso.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Some stuff for that *other* scale Message-ID: <199607221047.KAA20676@cso.com> On 22 Jul 96 at 11:27, Robert Johnson typed diligantly: > Couldn't you just make them from slices of plastic rod? Oh, sure, make me *work* at my hobby, eh? ;-) Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 11:26:48 -0500 From: MEBA@cso.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Fokker asymmetrical ailerons Message-ID: <199607221125.LAA23925@cso.com> On 22 Jul 96 at 11:41, Robert Johnson typed diligantly: > My guess would be that it was meant to counter or, perhaps, > enhance engine torque (I can't remember which way the Oberursel > turned). Longer wings were sometimes used on other aircraft > (which I can't remember) so that the extra lift would counteract > the torque. Gotha G.VI and Ansaldo SVA come to mind... Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 198 *********************