WWI Digest 192 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Aeroclub stuff -- a question by breuer@itz-koeln.de (Dietmar Breuer) 2) 16 July 1916, Buc, Paris, Buc again by u1a00518@wvnvm.wvnet.edu 3) World War I aviation history meeting by GRBroman@aol.com 4) IPMS Nationals by MEBA@cso.com 5) Greg VanWyngarden by MEBA@cso.com 6) Re: Chapman's plane by u1a00518@wvnvm.wvnet.edu 7) Re: Chapman's plane by MEBA@cso.com 8) Administrivia by aew (Allan Wright) 9) IPMS-USA Nationals VA Beach by Brian Nicklas 10) Re: IPMS-USA Nationals VA Beach by MEBA@cso.com 11) Re: Administrivia by Erik Pilawskii 12) Re: Administrivia by aew (Allan Wright) 13) Re: C&C (US) Vol.2 #1 by cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) 14) Re FE2B A5586 of Sq.101 by knut.erik.hagen@login.eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) 15) Re: C&C (US) Vol.2 #1 by "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" 16) Re: Greg VanWyngarden by GRBroman@aol.com 17) Virginia Beach National Convention. by iceman@ro.com (Eli Geher) 18) Re: World War I aviation history meeting by DavidL1217@aol.com 19) Re: Dayton Air Show by bciciora@wwa.com 20) Re: Dayton Air Show by bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 07:48:43 +0100 (WET DST) From: breuer@itz-koeln.de (Dietmar Breuer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Aeroclub stuff -- a question Message-ID: <199607160648.HAA02098@ns.itz-koeln.de> Charles wrote: > At some point they made a Felixtowe flying boat but I think that most >of the non-metal parts were vac-form, but then I have never seen one of >these, built or otherwise. > I bought one Felixstowe flying boat lately. All non-metal parts are vac-form, but in a very good quality. It is a very great scale kit (even in 1:72). Dietmar ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- Dietmar Breuer =20 Informationstechnik-Zentrum K=F6ln Eupener Stra=DFe 150 50933 K=F6ln Tel: 0221 - 49707 24 =20 Fax: 0221 - 49707 12 EMail: breuer@itz-koeln.de =20 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 07:22:26 -0400 From: u1a00518@wvnvm.wvnet.edu To: wwi Subject: 16 July 1916, Buc, Paris, Buc again Message-ID: <199607161122.HAA06396@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Fine day. Off to Paris after work in early a.m. Went to service of American Church. Then to dine with Capt and Mrs Parker at Roosevelt Hotel. Confess to the Capt of my desertion from the Navy. He promised to help me clear myself all he possibly can but advises I hold off action until I've finished my service here. Gave me lots of hope for getting squared later on account of my record here. God grant so. Had supper with Miss Mooney in her apartment and enjoyed most pleasant call with her. Came out rather early to Buc. Letter from Mr Hoffman. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 07:48:09 -0400 From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi Subject: World War I aviation history meeting Message-ID: <960716074808_361109780@emout15.mail.aol.com> Greg VanWygarden has graciuosly accepted an invitation to speak at our chapter meeting in August. For any of you in the Illinois/Iowa region who may be interested in attending, the location is the Rock Island Arsenal Museum Theater on the 10th of August at 1:00. Rock Island Arsenal is just off of I-74 at the Moline River Drive exit. Let me know if you are interested in attending. Glen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 06:57:10 -0500 From: MEBA@cso.com To: WW1 Modelers Subject: IPMS Nationals Message-ID: <199607160656.GAA19547@cso.com> Good luck to all those attending the nationals this weekend. "May your rigging stay taught!" Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 07:06:24 -0500 From: MEBA@cso.com To: WW1 Modelers Subject: Greg VanWyngarden Message-ID: <199607160705.HAA20048@cso.com> Talked to Greg again last night. I must apologise to the list, as he too says that the machine Chapman is next to is his "cream" colored machine. The thing that clinched it for me (besides coming from Greg ;-)) is that "cream" is a different color than "clear doped linen", hence looking darker on film than c.d.l. However, he did come across something that makes him believe Chapman's machine had "C"'s on it, designating it to be Chapman's machine. To Richard at Blue Rider: which insignias do you want to do? All? Fighters only? Bombers and recce's? He's wondering because he can provide info on most of all. And it should go well with the Brequet that Pegasus is supposedly coming out with (isn't that the next WW1 release from Pegasus?). To Stuart, et.al.: The violet officially came into being Mar/Apr 1917. However, keep in mind that this was a directive to the factories, so in the field machines probably were different. Also keep in mind that not all factories followed official directive. Something he mentioned off the cuff dealt with the 94th insignia. He mentioned that it was *not* handed, and was the same on both sides. Glen: make sure you ask him questions. I realize that you're primarily armor, but the man is a storehouse of knowledge. If there's any WW1 a/c info you want to know, chances are he knows about it. If I still lived in Des Moines, I would be at your meeting. However, coming from Omaha is a lllooonnnggg drive. :-) I wonder if I can get him to come to Omaha to talk...;-) Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 09:15:34 -0400 From: u1a00518@wvnvm.wvnet.edu To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Chapman's plane Message-ID: <199607161315.JAA07145@pease1.sr.unh.edu> On Tue, 16 Jul 1996, MEBA@cso.com wrote: >Talked to Greg again last night. I must apologise to the list, as he >too says that the machine Chapman is next to is his "cream" colored >machine. The thing that clinched it for me (besides coming from Greg >;-)) is that "cream" is a different color than "clear doped linen", >hence looking darker on film than c.d.l. > >However, he did come across something that makes him believe >Chapman's machine had "C"'s on it, designating it to be Chapman's >machine. > Are you just going to tease us with this, or are you going to tell us what Greg found that makes him believe Chapman had an initial on his plane? Cross & Cockade says he had no individual markings. Bradley ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 08:32:07 -0500 From: MEBA@cso.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Chapman's plane Message-ID: <199607160831.IAA29980@cso.com> On 16 Jul 96 at 9:16, u1a00518@wvnvm.wvnet.edu typed diligantly: > Are you just going to tease us with this, or are you going to tell > us what Greg found that makes him believe Chapman had an initial > on his plane? Cross & Cockade says he had no individual markings. "New evidence" is all I can say. However, "official" is becoming close to the correct word. ;-) Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 09:45:09 -0400 (EDT) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Administrivia Message-ID: <199607161345.JAA07409@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Hi everyone! Me and my models will be going to Historicon tomorrow. I'm running my Blue Max game there again this year. "Kites in the Sky" is this year's theme - MS-Ns, Bristol Scout D, Pups, DH-2s and a Gun Bus go up against a flock of D-I and D-II Albatrosses and a couple of Roland C-IIs. Should be fun. The main thins is I'll be out until next Tuesday - Play nice! -Allan =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | Rodents of unusual size? I don't think they exist. University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 96 10:03:48 EDT From: Brian Nicklas To: Subject: IPMS-USA Nationals VA Beach Message-ID: <199607161402.KAA07491@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Well, John Huggins and myself will be attending, who else? I know I posed this question before, but a lot of folks were still making plans (I almost thought I'd have to cancel my trip...) I'll be there Thursday around 12 or 1pm. I'm signed up for the NASA Langley/Langley AFB tour (anyplace they flew JN-4s and Fokker D.VIIs can't be all bad...) Maybe those attending could get together at some point, maybe meet by John's table in the vendor room? Look forward to seeing people there! Brian Nicklas IPMS-USA # 6852 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 09:50:42 -0500 From: MEBA@cso.com To: wwi Subject: Re: IPMS-USA Nationals VA Beach Message-ID: <199607160949.JAA06511@cso.com> I was wondering if someone could look for an original copy of Cross & Cockade (US), Vol. 2, No.1 for me? I would be most appreciative. Nothing over $10, please. Thanks! Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 11:35:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Erik Pilawskii To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Administrivia Message-ID: > Me and my models will be going to Historicon tomorrow. I'm running my > Blue Max game there again this year. "Kites in the Sky" is this year's > theme - MS-Ns, Bristol Scout D, Pups, DH-2s and a Gun Bus go up against > a flock of D-I and D-II Albatrosses and a couple of Roland C-IIs. Should be > fun. > Al, which side you flyin'? Any favorite machine? "May gun guns clear freely!" Cheers, Erik :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: "Look-- if I went 'round, sayin' I was an Emperor, just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away!..." .............................................................................. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 14:41:34 -0400 (EDT) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Re: Administrivia Message-ID: <199607161841.OAA00821@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > Al, which side you flyin'? Any favorite machine? "May gun guns clear > freely!" I run the game so I don't play. I really prefer the pushers, especially the DH-2. They're not the best fighters of the war but I have a soft spot in my heart for the DH-2. -Al P.S. Thanks for the nice wishes. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 96 16:13:48 EDT From: cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) To: wwi Subject: Re: C&C (US) Vol.2 #1 Message-ID: <199607162013.QAA01968@conted.swann.gatech.edu> Matt, You might try Aeroplane Books in VA--800-447-8890. They have many issues, but I think the early ones will cost you more than $10. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 00:41:00 +0200 (MET DST) From: knut.erik.hagen@login.eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) To: wwi Subject: Re FE2B A5586 of Sq.101 Message-ID: <199607162241.AAA01210@login.eunet.no> Do someone know of a reference with a picture of FE2b A5586 at St.Omer or other 101 Sq FE2b aircraft of that period? Norwegian pilot Tryggve Gran was shot down in early December 1917 with Shand on his first mission as observer. A5586 was usually Ltn. Martins machine. I want to build the Aeroclub or Plum Blossom kit if I can find the colour scheme for this particular aircraft. I am also looking for references on the RAF units sent to North Russia in 1918. Thanks for your help Knut Erik ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 20:13:35 -0400 (EDT) From: "PETER KILDUFF, UNIVERSITY RELATIONS, 21791" To: wwi Subject: Re: C&C (US) Vol.2 #1 Message-ID: <960716201335.2029fa64@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU> I don't have an extra copy of *that* issue of the old (and original) "Cross & Cockade Journal (US)" -- but I do have others that I offer for swapping (e.g., Sanke postcards, Rimmel Datafiles). Here's what I have to offer: Fall 1969 (Vol 10 #3), entire Vol. 11 (1970) as a set, entire Vol. 16 (1975) as a set, Spring '79 (20/1), Autumn '79 (20/3), Spring '80 (21/1), Summer '81 (22/2), Autumn '81 (22/3), and Winter '81 (22/4). Also have individual index for Vol. 4 (1963) and Vol. 5 (1964). Peter Kilduff e-mail: Kilduff@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 20:18:51 -0400 From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Greg VanWyngarden Message-ID: <960716201849_239214435@emout15.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 96-07-16 08:30:38 EDT, you write: > I realize that you're >primarily armor, but the man is a storehouse of knowledge Ah Matt, true I like armor, but I have many, many 1/72 biplanes. Of course, I also build those wacking great 1/48 ones too. :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 19:20:08 -0500 From: iceman@ro.com (Eli Geher) To: wwi Subject: Virginia Beach National Convention. Message-ID: <199607170020.TAA23228@sh1.ro.com> John Huggins wrote: > If any of you are going to the Nationals, drop by my booth and say hi. We >can sort of use my booth for a land mark if you like. I am in the >manufacturers room against the back wall. Should not be too hard to find. >Red back drop with lots of Black & Yellow packets of resin wheels hanging >on it. I'll keep an eye out for you. What will be the name on your table? Eli Geher ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 21:10:22 -0400 From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: World War I aviation history meeting Message-ID: <960716211020_157686265@emout17.mail.aol.com> I will try to be there! I will firm this up a little closer to the date David Layton ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 96 20:43 CDT From: bciciora@wwa.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Dayton Air Show Message-ID: On Mon, 15 Jul 1996 18:08:50 Mike wrote: > First planned stop is the Dayton for the WWI fly-in/air show. > Hope to see some of you guys out there. I'll be there Saturday, Mike. I'll wear my Aerodrome 94 Storks shirt and Cross & Cockade name badge for recognition. Hope to see you there. Bill Ciciora ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 22:58:33 -0400 (EDT) From: bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Dayton Air Show Message-ID: <199607170258.WAA23255@ns1.ptd.net> At 09:42 PM 7/16/96 -0400, bciciora@wwa.com wrote: >On Mon, 15 Jul 1996 18:08:50 Mike wrote: > >> First planned stop is the Dayton for the WWI fly-in/air show. >> Hope to see some of you guys out there. > >I'll be there Saturday, Mike. I'll wear my Aerodrome 94 Storks shirt >and Cross & Cockade name badge for recognition. Hope to see you there. > >Bill Ciciora Rats. Major problem. My wife unexpectedly is in hospital. Looking like I might not be able to make it. If I do, I'll keep an eye out. If not, get some pictures!!!!! Mike ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 192 *********************