WWI Digest 158 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Allied Armament by Robert Johnson 2) Re: Allied Armament by Jim Barnes 3) Re: Allied Armament by cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) 4) Re: WW I Tanks by Charles_A._Duckworth@notes.up.com (Charles A. Duckworth) 5) Re: Allied Armament by Robert Johnson 6) Re: Allied Armament by GRydquist@gnn.com (Gregory Rydquist) 7) Re: Allied Armament by HART CHARLES 8) Re: Allied Armament Response by Jim Barnes ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 08:38:21 +0000 From: Robert Johnson To: wwi Subject: Re: Allied Armament Message-ID: <9606130832.aa05814@scosysv.speechsys.com> Jim Barnes writes (Re: Allied Armament): > Hey, Rob-- > Can you suggest any books, or other sources, which might confirm > the Pup and Morane/Nieuport/Spad nominees? Not as such. My opinion comes more from general reading than any particular source. Charles Hart, another denizen of this forum, has told me about a book on WW1 armament, but I never remember the particulars. Charles? I also have an old Wings or Airpower magazine that had something on this. I'll try to remember to look for it. In the mean time, if I were you, I'd just look through standard reference sources on individual types to see if any of the authors claim this distinction for the type in question. I doubt that any mountings on Bristol Bullets were true service issue, at least early on. These carried Lewis guns angled out from the fuselage sides or mounted over the wings. Rob, robj@speechsys.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 10:36:48 -0400 From: Jim Barnes To: wwi Subject: Re: Allied Armament Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19960613084007.3e9fdfd4@chelsea.ios.com> At 08:57 PM 6/12/96 -0400, you wrote: >Jim, I just resent a message I tried to send earlier regarding this. Let me >know if it got through. >Mike Muth > Yes, Mike, it did. And I really appreciate your response. I will chalk up the Bristol Scout as first for the RFC and will try to get a copy of Kennet's book. Thanks again-- Jim **************************************************************************** * Jim Barnes -- barnes29@chelsea.ios.com * * * * "Out on that Information Superhighway---I'm riding a moped." * **************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 96 11:33:08 EDT From: cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) To: wwi Subject: Re: Allied Armament Message-ID: <199606131533.LAA28493@conted.swann.gatech.edu> Guys, A useful book on this matter would be "Early Aircraft Armament" by Harry Woodman and published by Smithsonian, copyrighted 1989. It's very good and also--I think--still available. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 10:58:21 -0500 From: Charles_A._Duckworth@notes.up.com (Charles A. Duckworth) To: wwi Subject: Re: WW I Tanks Message-ID: <1996Jun13.084120.1155.366856@uprr-internet.notes.up.com> The Profile series also carried a booklet on the WWI meduim tanks A-D, the 'A' was the Whippet, which Emhar has issued in 1/35th scale. If my memory is correct the Mark I-V is Armor Profile No. 5 and the Whippet is in Profile No. 7. Charlie... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:03:26 +0000 From: Robert Johnson To: wwi Subject: Re: Allied Armament Message-ID: <9606131057.aa07210@scosysv.speechsys.com> Carlos Valdes writes: > A useful book on this matter would be "Early Aircraft Armament" > by Harry Woodman and published by Smithsonian, copyrighted 1989. This may have been the one Charles referred me to. Rob, robj@speechsys.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:35:19 From: GRydquist@gnn.com (Gregory Rydquist) To: barnes29@chelsea.ios.com, wwi Subject: Re: Allied Armament Message-ID: <199606140433.AAA05999@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com> >Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 19:12:46 -0400 >From: Jim Barnes >Sender: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: Allied Armament Can you suggest any books, or other sources, which might confirm >the Pup and Morane/Nieuport/Spad nominees? > Jim, Aces and Aircraft of World War I by Christopher Campbell, Crown Publishers ($10 in ~ 1985 on sale table in bookstore) has a 2 page Appendix titled "Fighter Armament". He says: "The first British aircraft equipped with a synchronizing gear to arrive in France was a Bristol Scout operational on 25 March 1916 (two weeks before the E-type was captured intact and its secret revealed". This was closely followed by RNAS Sopwith 1 1/2 strutters with the Scarff-Dibovski (interrupter) gear (Reportedly developed by a Russian naval Lt named Poplavko in 1913 and later fitted to a Maxim-armed Sikorsky S.16. A synchronization gear was developed early in 1916 for the Lewis m.g., by Sergent-Mecanicien Alkan intended for the RFC Moran Type Ns, although hardly used operationally. Garros' use of deflective wedges on the propeller of his Type L parasol were the result of abandoning Raymond Saulniers synchronization system and wedges in favor of more heavy duty and channeled wedges only (see photo closeup on page 24) Of course theirs the Nieuport XI Bebe with its top wing mounted (but unsynchronized) gun. Greg Rydquist ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 06:41:23 -0600 (MDT) From: HART CHARLES To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Allied Armament Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Carlos Valdes wrote: > Guys, > A useful book on this matter would be "Early Aircraft Armament" > by Harry Woodman and published by Smithsonian, copyrighted 1989. It's > very good and also--I think--still available. > Carlos > The last time I checked, about a year ago, this book was listed as being "in print". Just don't try and order it from Barnes & Noble, they can't get it for you. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 08:57:30 -0400 From: Jim Barnes To: wwi Subject: Re: Allied Armament Response Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19960614070054.3e9fe9d4@chelsea.ios.com> Thanks for the information, Greg. I will certainly put your book on my 'wanted' list. I guess that's a definitive answer for the RFC A/C and date. Sure wish the author had given us more information on which French A/C was first with the synchronized gun. Anyway, thanks again for your input. Jim **************************************************************************** * Jim Barnes -- barnes29@chelsea.ios.com * * * * "Out on that Information Superhighway---I'm riding a moped." * **************************************************************************** ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 158 *********************