WWI Digest 145 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Thanks for Hannover Help by cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) 2) Re: Smer Nieuport by lothar@ncw.net (mark) 3) Steve Hustad's Pfalz DVIII by "Stuart L. Malone" 4) Re: re:Smer Nieuport 11 by Andreas Einsel <100410.261@CompuServe.COM> 5) Re: Steve Hustad's Pfalz DVIII by "Matt Bittner" 6) Re: re:Smer Nieuport 11 by "Matt Bittner" 7) Re: Steve Hustad's Pfalz DVIII by Erik Pilawskii 8) found stuff -- how to use by stonto@seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu 9) Re[2]: FOKKER E.V !!! by stonto@seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu 10) Rickenbacker stamp (oops) by stonto@seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu 11) Re: Rickenbacker stamp (oops) by aew (Allan Wright) 12) Re[2]: FOKKER E.V !!! by bobmills@MSIS.dmso.mil (Robert J. Mills, Jr.) 13) Re: Re[2]: FOKKER E.V !!! by Robert Johnson 14) Fokker D.VIII by NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) 15) Re: Latest from Rosemont by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 16) Re: Thanks for Hannover Help by cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) 17) Latest Windsock and Datafile by mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) 18) Re: Thanks for Hannover Help by Alberto Rada 19) Re: Rickenbacker stamp (oops) by Alberto Rada 20) Re: Thanks for Hannover Help by Alberto Rada ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 May 96 11:52:35 EDT From: cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) To: wwi Subject: Re: Thanks for Hannover Help Message-ID: <199605311552.LAA04669@conted.swann.gatech.edu> Dave, I suggest you try Tennant's Aviation Books in Washington or Aviation Books in Virginia. Both have in-print and out-of-print datafiles. I'll post their numbers when I get home. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 09:55:46 -0700 From: lothar@ncw.net (mark) To: wwi Subject: Re: Smer Nieuport Message-ID: <199605311655.JAA15094@bing.ncw.net> > Maybe it was the Lindberg SE........don't laugh! It's a beautiful >kit, even if it it was [is?] mooulded in a gangrous yellow. I bought one last year, put it together a couple of months ago. The kit was molded in a sort of dark olive drab, which helped make the painting (Polly Scale PC-10) a lot easier. And I'll second Mick's opinion - it's a beautifully molded kit, nice rib detailing on both upper and lower surfaces, and it fits together very easily. And the best part is the price - I've never seen it for more than $7.00 US, and it's widely available (have even seen it in Wal-Mart and K-Mart type discount stores). Just don't let the cheesy photo of a rather poorly completed model on the box put you off. Also, it's a true 1/48.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 12:51:42 -0500 From: "Stuart L. Malone" To: World War I mailing list Subject: Steve Hustad's Pfalz DVIII Message-ID: <31AF31AD.7F1B@sound.net> As you may know, photos nver do a subject justice. This was ever so apparant to me with Steve's Pfalz. I had the wonderous opportunity of meeting man and machine last evening at the KC IPMS meeting. Everyone there had beautiful work (capped by the Pfalz), and were quite receptive to a new member. I have never experienced a group of modellers such as this. They were all frinedly and inviting, and totally opposite the stereotye of anal-retentive know-it-alls who coop themselves up in the cellar for extensive periods of time with all sorts of nasty glues, putties, paints, and thinners. I have been lifted to the next level of inspiration to build a 'nightmare' kit, possibly Caudron GIII, Fried. GIII, or Gotha GV (all vacs)! No, wait, I'm calming down now, think I'll stick to a Revell Spad.... Anyway, Steve, it was a gorgeous job done on a particularly lovely subject (I have a soft spot for Bavarian machines). I can't wait to see what you come up with next. P.S. Anyone on this list who has an opportunity to see Steve's work live, MUST do so. ------------------------------ Date: 31 May 96 13:37:20 EDT From: Andreas Einsel <100410.261@CompuServe.COM> To: Multiple recipients Subject: Re: re:Smer Nieuport 11 Message-ID: <960531173720_100410.261_BHG6-2@CompuServe.COM> Hi Mick, you wrote: > All of which is quite true, but there are some things you just >can't do a whole lot about. Having said that, it's not a bad little kit >for the money, even though it needs a fair bit of detailing. >*Definitely* much better without the heinouos original raised markings. Right you are. Apart from the criticisms I made it certainly is a nice kit and I really enjoyed building it. All parts fit exactly together and it shouldn't be too difficult to make an excellent model out of it. And the price... >Apart from that, it'll make a nice SSW DI. {BTW, Pfalz "silbergrau" >and Nieuport silver are quite distinctly different: Nieuport's is much >lighter, more like a true aluminium dope, which, I believe, it was.] I thought of building the SSW D.I from the Smer kit. But I haven't got any good references for it and decided to wait for the Datafile about it. > And while we're on the subject......on p. 37 of Alex Imrie's >"German Air Aces of World War One" [pl. 67], there's a picture of Gustav >Leffers standing in front of a Nieuport-like a/c, with some interesting >modifications: it's equipped with an LMG 08/15, synchronised with the motor, >which doesn't look to be the usual puny Le Rh^one; it has a head-rest; it >has a mounting-step on the port side; the wheels look noticably larger >than normal. > My guess is a Ne 16. Or a copy? According to Jon Guttman's article in Windsock 6/91 'Under new management' which shows the same photo, it is a captured Nie 11, painted in sky blue or grey. It also mentions the Spandau, but not the type of engine. The headrest would probably turn it into a Nie 16, but the drawing underneath the photo shows it without the headrest. It is said that Paul Baumer rebuilt a badly damaged Nieuport in his free time, probably adding a few parts which didn't belong to the original. Maybe Leffers did the same? Ciao, Andy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 13:17:48 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: wwi Subject: Re: Steve Hustad's Pfalz DVIII Message-ID: <199605311322.NAA26008@cso.com> On 31 May 96 at 13:54, Stuart L. Malone typed diligantly: > I have been lifted to the next level of inspiration to build a > 'nightmare' kit, possibly Caudron GIII, Fried. GIII, or Gotha GV (all > vacs)! Okay, memory is failing...who makes a Caudron G.3? > No, wait, I'm calming down now, think I'll stick to a Revell Spad.... Ooooo...won't win any points with Steve that way! ;-) > Anyway, Steve, it was a gorgeous job done on a particularly lovely > subject (I have a soft spot for Bavarian machines). I can't wait to see > what you come up with next. Yes you can. Wheneve I see a Hustad work of art I realise that (a) I'm Not Worthy; (b) it's going to take a long time to get up to his level; and (c) I want to break his fingers! :-) > P.S. Anyone on this list who has an opportunity to see Steve's work > live, MUST do so. Hear, here. Since this is the first time you've seen his work, you have a lot of catching up to do. Wait until he brings it portions of his collection as a display, then thank the maker he's only displaying them, instead of entering them into competition. Steve, you're a god! ;-) Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 13:30:17 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: wwi Subject: Re: re:Smer Nieuport 11 Message-ID: <199605311335.NAA26352@cso.com> On 31 May 96 at 14:08, Andreas Einsel typed diligantly: > I thought of building the SSW D.I from the Smer kit. But I haven't > got any good references for it and decided to wait for the Datafile > about it. Unfortunately, I think you'll be waiting for a while. I could see a Mini-Datafile before a full blown one, since the info was already published. The problem with the SSW D.I is that there appears to be not a lot of info on it. The info was published in Windsock, Vol.5, No. 3. The only other references I've used is the Putnam book on German fighters, plus the Harleyford book. Again, there isn't a lot of info on it. > According to Jon Guttman's article in Windsock 6/91 'Under new > management' which shows the same photo, it is a captured Nie 11, > painted in sky blue or grey. It also mentions the Spandau, but not > the type of engine. The headrest would probably turn it into a Nie > 16, but the drawing underneath the photo shows it without the > headrest. It is said that Paul Baumer rebuilt a badly damaged > Nieuport in his free time, probably adding a few parts which > didn't belong to the original. Maybe Leffers did the same? Just to clear up a misperception. The line between the Nie.11 and Nie.16 is *very* thin. The biggest difference - and one you could almost bank on - is the engine size. There are documented Nie.11's with the headrest, and Nie.16's without. You can generalize that one with the headrest is a Nie.16, but before you build it, check your references. But then again, the people that would know this stuff are those anal types that Stuart mentioned in an earlier post...oops...I guess I'm a tad anal...:-)-o Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 11:56:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Erik Pilawskii To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Steve Hustad's Pfalz DVIII Message-ID: > Yes you can. Wheneve I see a Hustad work of art I realise that (a) > I'm Not Worthy; (b) it's going to take a long time to get up to his > level; and (c) I want to break his fingers! :-) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Heathen! Blaspheme! Destroy that which we worship?!? Unthinkable....(!) > > > P.S. Anyone on this list who has an opportunity to see Steve's work > > live, MUST do so. > > Hear, here. Since this is the first time you've seen his work, you > have a lot of catching up to do. Wait until he brings it portions of > his collection as a display, then thank the maker he's only > displaying them, instead of entering them into competition. Well, once again I have yet another surpassingly brilliant idea! \:^o Steve, you can invite us all over! We'll have a huge roaring b-b-que at your place; we'll all drink your beer, eat your food, and gawk at your models! A better day I can't imagine! I mean, you are kinda centrally located, then. OK, for those of us in the States; a bummer for those of us overseas. BUT, I will remind you that we're talking about *Steve's* models (not mine, or some other weak venue)-- _surely_ worth bankruptcy and possible divorce to attend!! Sound a winner, Steve?... Cheers, Erik :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: "No, Sir, I did not ignore you-- I was knocked unconscious attempting to follow your argument...." A.T.Magnuson, M.P. .............................................................................. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 96 12:18:12 PST From: stonto@seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu To: wwi Subject: found stuff -- how to use Message-ID: <9604318335.AA833570343@SCCCGATE.seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu> Hey I just gotta tell you about this: right now they are doing a campus clean up here and I got some stuff that isn't used any more. One thing that's really cool is rolls (right, rolls) of staples. We used to have a belt fed electric stapler that these rolls fit into. Anyway, the belt looks a lot like an ammunition belt in 1/48th scale (obviously it has to be cut to size). Pretty cool find, huh? I also got some reel to reel tape (ancient stuff); can you think of any use for this? I grabbed one thinking that I can use it somewhere, but so far no ideas. ---Stephen Tontoni ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 96 13:43:36 PST From: stonto@seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu To: wwi Subject: Re[2]: FOKKER E.V !!! Message-ID: <9604318335.AA833575563@SCCCGATE.seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu> Hey I was just at the Post Office and saw that they have Eddie Rickenbacker -- Aviation Pioneer airmail stamps. Does that strike anyone else as a bit odd? I don't normally think of someone like Rickenbacker as a pioneer. Maybe Aerial Warfare Pioneer, but not as much as Boelke, Immelman, Mannock, or Ball... I'm not complaining, or whatever. I think its neat that there is a Rickenbacker stamp. It just seems like the wrong caption. ---Stephen Tontoni (and of course since this is the USPS, they can't have Nungessor or whomever on the stamp can they?) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 96 13:46:49 PST From: stonto@seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu To: wwi Subject: Rickenbacker stamp (oops) Message-ID: <9604318335.AA833575743@SCCCGATE.seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu> OOOPS !! now you all know my secret; I just take the nearest e-mail with this address so that I don't have to re-type it and send. This time I forgot to edit the subject line. Ok, well, SUE ME!! _________________________________________________________ Hey I was just at the Post Office and saw that they have Eddie Rickenbacker -- Aviation Pioneer airmail stamps. Does that strike anyone else as a bit odd? I don't normally think of someone like Rickenbacker as a pioneer. Maybe Aerial Warfare Pioneer, but not as much as Boelke, Immelman, Mannock, or Ball... I'm not complaining, or whatever. I think its neat that there is a Rickenbacker stamp. It just seems like the wrong caption. ---Stephen Tontoni (and of course since this is the USPS, they can't have Nungessor or whomever on the stamp can they?) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 16:57:04 -0400 (EDT) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Re: Rickenbacker stamp (oops) Message-ID: <199605312057.QAA03845@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > OOOPS !! now you all know my secret; I just take the nearest > e-mail with this address so that I don't have to re-type it > and send. This time I forgot to edit the subject line. Ok, > well, SUE ME!! > > _________________________________________________________ > > Hey I was just at the Post Office and saw that they have > Eddie Rickenbacker -- Aviation Pioneer airmail stamps. Does > that strike anyone else as a bit odd? I don't normally think > of someone like Rickenbacker as a pioneer. Maybe Aerial > Warfare Pioneer, but not as much as Boelke, Immelman, > Mannock, or Ball... > > I'm not complaining, or whatever. I think its neat that > there is a Rickenbacker stamp. It just seems like the wrong > caption. > > ---Stephen Tontoni > > (and of course since this is the USPS, they can't have > Nungessor or whomever on the stamp can they?) > Funny - I just found this out today too - check the NEWS section of the WWW page! -Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | Rodents of unusual size? I don't think they exist. University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 17:42:35 -0500 From: bobmills@MSIS.dmso.mil (Robert J. Mills, Jr.) To: stonto@seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re[2]: FOKKER E.V !!! Message-ID: Stephen At 16:44 05-31-96,you wrote: >I don't normally think of someone like Rickenbacker as a pioneer. I think maybe it's because he had a little something to do with growing an airline that used to be around known as Eastern Airlines, or perhaps for work he did on aircraft engines and superchargers.... "Captain Eddie" was quite an accomplished industrialist, capitalist and a key figure in the development of automobile technology and commercial aviation. In short Eddie V. Rickenbacker was much more than a World War I US aviator and "ace." (Most people I deal with in the airline history business don't know that Rickenbacker was an ace just as you didn't see him as a pioneer in aviation.) Regards, Bob Mills ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 16:37:49 +0000 From: Robert Johnson To: wwi Subject: Re: Re[2]: FOKKER E.V !!! Message-ID: <9605311627.aa24332@scosysv.speechsys.com> Bob Mills writes: >Most people I deal with in the airline history business don't know that >Rickenbacker was an ace just as you didn't see him > as a pioneer in aviation.) I believe that Rickenbacker was a clebrated race driver before he was an ace. A man of many parts. Rob, robj@speechsys.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 19:19:35, -0500 From: NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) To: wwi Subject: Fokker D.VIII Message-ID: <199605312319.TAA28362@mime2.prodigy.com> -- [ From: Kenneth Hagerup * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] -- Anyone have any thoughts on the accuracy of the yellow and black E.V 156/18 markings on one of the options with the Sign 1/72 D.VIII? They are attractive, but none of my references show this scheme. Kenneth Hagerup ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 19:43:31 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: Latest from Rosemont Message-ID: Matt writes: >The latest is the next Fabric special from Windsock. (Steve, you can >stop reading now...;-) > >It will be on British squadron colors, or some such thingie. He >guesstimated it should be here in a month or so (or so, or so, or >so...). Make your reservations now! > So how much is Barry charging for this little goodie ? If I order now directly from Windsock I'll get it at the same time Barry does for less money. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 96 22:49:18 EDT From: cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) To: wwi Subject: Re: Thanks for Hannover Help Message-ID: <199606010249.WAA06011@conted.swann.gatech.edu> As promised, here are the phone numbers: Aeroplane (not Aviation--my mistake) Books: (800) 447-8890 Tennant's Aviation Books: (206) 833-7506 The former is in Virginia and the latter in Washington (and does not take credit cards BTW). Once again, they both carry Datafiles, including some out-of-print ones. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 09:12:03 PST From: mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) To: wwi Subject: Latest Windsock and Datafile Message-ID: <19960601.091214.5247.1.mbittner@juno.com> Got the latest Windsock and Datafile #57 in the mail yesterday. The Datafile is on the Albatros C.I. I'm glad more of the Albatros two-seaters are getting recognition. With the Scale Models articles, and now the Datafiles, they are getting their proper recognition. Makes me want to build them all... The Windsock is better than the last issue. Harry Woodman discusses how to "better" the Eduard Pup (which also can be used for the forthcoming Triplane); an article and *large* 1/72nd plans on the Curtiss N-1 flying boat; a great sketch of the Fokker E.III cockpit; and numerous model reviews - most in 1/48th. However, it is another issue to upset Steve. Besides the reviews of German a/c, the only other German bit is on the Fokker E.III cockpit. There are some wonderful photo's of readers' models; again, most in 1/48th, and all beautifully done. The review picture of the Pegasus OEF D.III is also beautiful: it's got Blue Rider's sworl camoflauge on it. Definitely have to get some of this now! I would also like to get Americal's A/H Brumowski Distribution decals - that is if they're made in 1/72nd. I've got them in 1/48th for the ill-fated Glencoe kit, and they would also look wonderful on the Pegasus kit. Well, a ramblin' I go. Matt -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Matthew Bittner O- 1/72nd WW1 Modeler, ecto subscriber mbittner@juno.com PowerBuilder developer; Omaha, Nebraska Loreena McKennitt; Jewel; suddenly, tammy!; jehova waitresses -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ P.S. Most will see a "different" address for me. This is just my home email. I get most of my email still at work, so still think that as my "main" address. If you ever need to get ahold of me on the weekend, this is the address to use. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 10:47:06 +0400 (GMT-4) From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Thanks for Hannover Help Message-ID: <199606010647.KAA08535@fw.true.net> At 11:52 AM 5/31/96 -0400, you wrote: >Dave, > I suggest you try Tennant's Aviation Books in Washington or >Aviation Books in Virginia. Both have in-print and out-of-print >datafiles. I'll post their numbers when I get home. > Carlos > > Carlos can you get me Tennant's Aviation Books address so I can write to them, do you know if they mail order ? Saludos Alberto I got a message that this did not get trough, so I am sending it again ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 23:08:40 +0400 (GMT-4) From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Rickenbacker stamp (oops) Message-ID: <199605311908.XAA04321@fw.true.net> At 04:57 PM 5/31/96 -0400, you wrote: > >Funny - I just found this out today too - check the NEWS section of the >WWW page! > >-Al I just bought some in a trip to Miami about three weeks ago, well they arent really the most beautiful aviation stamps I have seen but . . . . Saludos Alberto ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 23:00:39 +0400 (GMT-4) From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Thanks for Hannover Help Message-ID: <199605311900.XAA04289@fw.true.net> At 11:52 AM 5/31/96 -0400, you wrote: >Dave, > I suggest you try Tennant's Aviation Books in Washington or >Aviation Books in Virginia. Both have in-print and out-of-print >datafiles. I'll post their numbers when I get home. > Carlos > > Carlos can you get me Tennant's Aviation Books address so I can write to them, do you know if they mail order ? Saludos Alberto ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 145 *********************