WWI Digest 133 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Incredible shrinking Windsock by "Tomas E. Tirado K" 2) RE: Gotha models by SDW@qld.mim.com.au 3) Re: Hello from Melbourne by "Matt Bittner" 4) Off topic question by "Matt Bittner" 5) The Doc's Descriptions by aew (Allan Wright) 6) Re[2]: Glossy or flat WW1 AC finish by stonto@seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu 7) Re[2]: Incredible shrinking Windsock by SHUSTAD@email.usps.gov 8) Re: Re[2]: Glossy or flat WW1 AC finish by Robert Johnson ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 20:24:52 -0700 From: "Tomas E. Tirado K" To: wwi Subject: Re: Incredible shrinking Windsock Message-ID: <199605200324.UAA07155@adinet.com.uy> At 20:55 18/05/96 -0400, Alberto Rada wrote: >I think there are two sides to this coin, in one hand I ask myself " If I >didn't receive it any more, would I miss it? And the answer is definitely !YES! >Do other groups from other eras or subjects have anything similar to >Windsock International or the Data Files? And I think that the answer is NOT >Do we have any other sources of information ? well you get a lot of >information on the historical part as well as on the original airplanes in >Over the Front and in WW 1 Aero, but very little in the modeling part, and >magazines specialized in modeling like Finescale Modeler, Military Model >Preview or Scale Aviation Modeller touch the subject of WW I occasionally, >so I think well that we need them >But on the other hand >This is no reason for them to sit on their ass, oh ! I am sorry I meant on >their Laurels, so we say in Spanish, and I tend to agree that articles have >became a little weaker should we say, "not so the ego". >And it is certainly not a reason to deprive us of four, yes FOUR, complete >pages of the publication. >And I am willing to pay the price as long as they keep the quality and size. > > > I agree 100 % -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Tomas E. Tirado K - Eng.,45,5 childs, 1/700 Ship modeler, 1/72 WWI, tomasetk@adinet.com.uy WWII Luftwaffe, USNavy WWII to present IPMS-Uruguay active member TT-hobbies owner (only one year in business, but growing everyday) Phone/Fax Nr.(598) 38 58403 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ------------------------------ Date: 20 May 96 09:52:00 EDT From: SDW@qld.mim.com.au To: wwi%pease1.sr.unh.edu@teksup.mim.com.au Subject: RE: Gotha models Message-ID: <199605200016.KAA02936@mimmon.mim.com.au> Hi all, I'd like to add a historical note to the following exchange. >Charles first replied: > > My advice, take the wheels and props out of the kit and use them >(maybe), throw the rest in the landfill, buy a big pack of sheet styrene >and the Windsock Datafile. Send us pictures when you are done. > > Charles > >Then Stephen rebuked: > Charles, you are a cold cold man. I, for one, really don't > need pictures of a 1/48 scale landfill. WAY, way back in 1975, when I was a lad of but 10 years modelling experience, Harry Woodman wrote the bible of scratchbuilding "Scal Model Aircraft in Plastic Card" Harry was, at the time a regular winner of IPMS UK trophies, particularly for his WW1 aircraft. Nowadays he's better known as a researcher and writer on those planes we hold dear. Here's what HE said about the Aurora Gotha, in 1975, when we all had far less exacting standards than seem to bind us now: "Gotha G.V Several innacurate drawings of the Gotha G.V exist and this kit seems to have been based on all of them. The wheels and possibly the nacelles may be useful" Now far be it for me to argue with such a luminary, but having had the opportunity this very weekend to place the parts of said kit over the latest drawings I have to say that the do actually touch the outlines....in some places. It wouldn't be impossible to make a Gotha out of it, but if you want it accurate there'd be more filler and card than kit. OTOH if you want a representational model and don't care too much about accuracy, the Gotha build in FSM is a good example of what can be done. Regards Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 06:38:20 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: wwi Subject: Re: Hello from Melbourne Message-ID: <199605200643.GAA04102@cso.com> On 19 May 96 at 7:12, Mick Fauchon typed diligantly: It's always good to hear from Mick. Definitely brings a chuckle to the belly, even if he's a "quarter-incher" (and I never said size matters! ;-)) Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 06:53:17 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: WW1 Modelers Subject: Off topic question Message-ID: <199605200657.GAA04275@cso.com> Seems I'm having a few more of these, recently... Anybody know where I can find 1/72nd plans for the US 'tweeners? I'm looking for the Curtiss Hawk series, the Boeing F4B/P-12 series, etc. TIA! Matt -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Matthew Bittner O- 1/72nd WW1 Modeler, ecto subscriber meba@cso.com PowerBuilder developer; Omaha, Nebraska Loreena McKennitt; Jewel; suddenly, tammy!; jehova waitresses Disclaimer: opinions expressed by me are mine, mine, mine! "some people without brains do an awful lot of talking, don't they?" - the Scarecrow in Wizard of Oz -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 09:31:42 -0400 (EDT) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: The Doc's Descriptions Message-ID: <199605201331.JAA05313@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Hi Everyone, Dr. Larry Crabb sent me the descriptions of his photos so they're now on the WWI WWW page along with the pictures. Enjoy! -Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | Rodents of unusual size? I don't think they exist. University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 96 08:39:08 PST From: stonto@seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu To: wwi Subject: Re[2]: Glossy or flat WW1 AC finish Message-ID: <9604208326.AA832606803@SCCCGATE.seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu> > >I am almost embarassed to ask this question, but what sort of finish should >WW1 aircraft exhibit: gloss or flat or something in between? I think someone already mentioned this, but if you look at photos of the era a lot of the aircraft do appear to be glossy. How much and how long that finish lasted is pretty subjective I think. So what I generally do is pretend that my aircraft has been around a long time so the gloss has worn off for the most part. If its dark green, it'll have some streaks of lighter green in it. (however you like to weather things) I apply the streaks after decalling so the insignia isn't brand-spanking new on top of a decrepit wing. Last thing to apply is dull-cote. I prefer to spray it on using the airbrush instead of spray can. The spray can tends to spit. There are those who like a satin finish better and that looks great too. It is a completely different finish for an aircraft that hasn't been on the flight line as long as mine. Now I just have to finish WWI one; that hasn't happened for a while. ----Stephen Tontoni tontoni@halcyon.com stonto@seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 12:14:15 -0400 From: SHUSTAD@email.usps.gov To: "(u)wwi" Subject: Re[2]: Incredible shrinking Windsock Message-ID: <0033000001146018000002*@MHS> wwi Gents, (You too John R.!, hee, hee) >Charles was noting a paucity in the amount of pages in the recent >Windsocks- There are basically two reasons: a. he has given up on writng >articles upon post war East European Brisfits and b. the lost material is >being shaped into Mini Datafiles. I've noticed this since they went to six issues a year, and deleted the color chips. Though getting worse with 'post war filler' stuff and the like ;^) I might respectfully disagree on point B, I think the Mini Datafiles are the result of recycling photos and drawings out of the earlier, out-of-print issues. IMHO, some -yes, most no. When might we see a Datafile on say the Breguet 14 or DH-9, or even the DH-4 ?? I mean having yet another publication on the Fokker D-VII will be nice, particularlly if it uses photos that haven't been published frequently in the past, but there are still a few well known types of WW I a/c that are very much under-represented in print. For the same reason there are four new 1/48 scale kits to every 1/72 scale release. It SELLS alot better, like it or not. I for one think WW I Marine aircraft is relatively unexplored territory... In the case of the regular magazine though, I have to wonder how big the Rimell archive of photos and drawings is. I mean photos of WW I aircraft are a finite resource even though there are many images which haven't been seen in wide spread publications. Pete Grosz's photo archive of German Albatros fighters is said to number over 800 photos, certainly enough for a book in its own right. I suppose that if Ray Rimell doesn't get access to a new set of photos in the near future then we may have to settle for an increasingly expensive cover price to accompany the shriveling magazine. Still, must be 'tons' of stuff on 'less popular' types, like floatplanes, bombers, etc. Just my two Krone worth! Steve H. (The Mad Norseman!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 10:46:43 +0000 From: Robert Johnson To: wwi Subject: Re: Re[2]: Glossy or flat WW1 AC finish Message-ID: <9605201041.aa27170@scosysv.speechsys.com> Re[2]: Glossy or flat WW1 AC finish I remember reading somewhere that practical flat aircraft finsihes did not become available prior to the late 'Thirties. Even in WW@, adhesion seems to have been a problem on US types. Rob, robj@speechsys.com. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 133 *********************