WWI Digest 124 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Rigging (was Re: NEW MAILING LIST MEMBER) by "Randy J. Ray" 2) Re: NEW MAILING LIST MEMBER by Erik Pilawskii 3) Re: Re[2]: SE5a Madness by Robert Johnson 4) Re: NEW MAILING LIST MEMBER by Robert Johnson 5) Rigging (was Re: NEW MAILING LIST MEMBER) by Brian Nicklas 6) Re: Rigging (was Re: NEW MAILING LIST MEMBER) by stonto@seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu 7) Re: Rigging (was Re: NEW MAILING LIST MEMBER) by "Randy J. Ray" 8) RE: 109 Biplane Lunacy *#! (was Rookie) by "Ray Boorman" 9) Re: SE5a Madness by DavidL1217@aol.com 10) Re: NEW MAILING LIST MEMBER by DavidL1217@aol.com 11) Re: SE5a Madness by Robert Johnson 12) RE: A.H. Cobby by gspring@ix.netcom.com (Greg Springer) 13) Re: Tom Lehrer (was Rookie on the list) by John Roll (John P. Roll) 14) Re: SE5a Madness by Alberto Rada 15) Re: NEW MAILING LIST MEMBER by gspring@ix.netcom.com (Greg Springer) 16) Re: 109 Biplane Lunacy *#! (was Rookie) by GRBroman@aol.com 17) Re: Re[2]: Rookie on THE LIST by GRBroman@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 11:46:08 -0600 From: "Randy J. Ray" To: wwi Subject: Rigging (was Re: NEW MAILING LIST MEMBER) Message-ID: What I recently acquired (but haven't tried) is the same material a local wizard (Derek Brown, of the infamous 1/72 scale Ki-46-III Dinah from the 1994 IPMS Nationals) used on a Fine Molds kit of the Japanese pre-war training bi-plane (I forget the designation). It's an extremely lightweight fishing line, available as thin as .005". I will have to check the spool for the brand name, but it would be available in any serious fisherman's store. It's a Japanese brand name, that much I remember. I got it in .005 and .008 thicknesses, and now that I think about it, there were empty racks for some smaller sizes that were out of stock. Randy -- ^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^ Randy J. Ray -- U S WEST Technologies IAD/CSS/DPDS Phone: (303)595-2869 Denver, CO rjray@uswest.com I don't suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 10:46:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Erik Pilawskii To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: NEW MAILING LIST MEMBER Message-ID: On Fri, 10 May 1996 MShan15048@aol.com wrote: > The best way to apply large decals (Like lozenge) is to prepare things well. > My first step is to say the following..."Our Father, who art in Heaven...." > Seriously, these are difficult.... [snip] Ahhh ha ha ha ha ha!!!!! R.O.T.F.L.! Hoo hoo hoo! My sentiments exactly! Erik :^} :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: "I have not yet, Sir, had the pleasure of your introduction-- and I suspect that I shall not have, still, after we have met...." A.T.Magnuson, M.P. .............................................................................. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 12:03:40 +0000 From: Robert Johnson To: wwi Subject: Re: Re[2]: SE5a Madness Message-ID: <9605101201.aa24791@scosysv.speechsys.com> > Especially after getting oil on it! Have you seen some of the > "windscreens" from the rotary engined a/c? Quite frosty. > > Matt > meba@cso.com Of course, rotaries used what was essentially a total loss lubrication system (somewhat like a two-stroke), and they rotated, so they actually threw oil out the exhaust ports, unlike the merely leaky Hisso/Viper. It was castor oil tool. I remember reading that latrines were always located close to the touch-down point on an airfield (true or not, it illustrates the point ). It had to be castor oil because ordinary mineral oil was not up to the temperatures involved. All WW1 engines ran hot, because fuel octane was very low (most ran rich mixtures too). The rotary was especially marginal in this respect, because manufacturing limitations and inexperience resulted in ineffective finning. Gnome Monosoupapes were especially trouble- prone, because the inlet valve was actually in the piston crown (it worked by suction, with neither cam nor return spring). Better fin/cyclinder/valve design appeared in 1918 with the then Cosmo (later Bristol) Jupiter and the RAF (later Armstrong-Siddeley) Jaguar radials. But aircooled engines did not become really practical until tetraethyl lead, sodium-filled exhaust valves, and Stellite alloys (originally developed for dentures, of all things) were discoved in the '20s and '30s at McCook Field (now Wright-Patterson AFB). S. D. Heron (inventor or part-inventor of each of these technologies) wrote a fascinating little book on the subject for the Ethyl Corporation. Check the library of a local engineering school. He a lively, stylish writer, too. Rob oil than the Rob. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 12:10:29 +0000 From: Robert Johnson To: wwi Subject: Re: NEW MAILING LIST MEMBER Message-ID: <9605101208.aa24836@scosysv.speechsys.com> re aligning struts. I use jigs or eyeball usually. But one useful trick: I glue cabanes to the fuselage top decking and interplane struts to the upper wing. Then I prop the fuselage or wing so that the strut hangs down vertically beneath the larger assembly. It is easier to securely and accurately brace the big part by eye than the strut. Gravity then holds the strut while the cement cures. Rob. Rob. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 96 15:17:36 EDT From: Brian Nicklas To: Subject: Rigging (was Re: NEW MAILING LIST MEMBER) Message-ID: <199605101916.PAA21690@pease1.sr.unh.edu> What you are reffering to is Fly Fisherman's "Tippett" line. Comes in various sizes, down to something that rigging in 1/144 would work (I looked at it, but you can barely see it when it comes off the reel.) If you go to a sporting goods store, they may not have it small enough. They have to have an extensive Fly Fishing dept. or try a shop that has only fishing gear. And when they starting asking about what lake and stream you're working, and you reply "Albatros and Dolphin," they will give you the strangest look... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 96 12:46:27 PST From: stonto@seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu To: wwi Subject: Re: Rigging (was Re: NEW MAILING LIST MEMBER) Message-ID: <9604108317.AA831757651@SCCCGATE.seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu> What you are reffering to is Fly Fisherman's "Tippett" line. Comes in various sizes, down to something that rigging in 1/144 would work (I looked at it, but you can barely see it when it comes off the reel.) If you go to a sporting goods store, they may not have it small enough. They have to have an extensive Fly Fishing dept. or try a shop that has only fishing gear. Many thanks; I just called a fly fishing store in Seattle called Kauffman's Streamborne and I can buy .003 monofilament (Tippett, I guess) for US$3.75 for 30 meters from them. (!!!!) I think that I could do a 1/48 fighter or even maybe two with that. Thanks again!! ---Stephen Tontoni ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 13:50:45 -0600 From: "Randy J. Ray" To: wwi Subject: Re: Rigging (was Re: NEW MAILING LIST MEMBER) Message-ID: > What you are reffering to is Fly Fisherman's "Tippett" line. > Comes in various sizes, down to something that rigging in 1/144 > would work (I looked at it, but you can barely see it when it comes > off the reel.) If you go to a sporting goods store, they may not have > it small enough. They have to have an extensive Fly Fishing dept. or > try a shop that has only fishing gear. > And when they starting asking about what lake and stream you're > working, and you reply "Albatros and Dolphin," they will give > you the strangest look... I'll bet we're close enough to describing the same basic product. In Denver, there's a fishing supply store called (I kid you not) "Uncle Milty's". That was where Derek Brown suggested I look. If anyone has seen photos of his Willow (I now at least remember the nickname for the plane) from the 1992 convention in Seattle, you've seen the material in use. As an aside, Derek received only a 3rd place award for that aircraft, and efforts to get feedback from the judges of that category were fruitless. One person who knew Derek overheard someone *claiming* to have been a judge in that category (I disclaim that not only out of respect for the Seattle IPMS organization, but also out of respect for the calibre of people that Aris Pappas tends to pick from exclusively for aircraft judges). The person in question is reputed to have said that he was "tired of seeing the same old Derek-Brown-special-scratch-built-everything kind of plane", so he "made sure" it only got a third. I don't wan't to put a lot of stock in such a claim, but while I've only known the guy (Derek) for about 4 years or so, he is the most meticulously anal retentive bastard I've ever met, and I know for a fact he does not start a project with fewer than 20 references. I doubt there was even a single bolt out of place. The next year, he did a 1/43 scale NASCAR just to throw the judges off a bit :-). Randy -- ^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^ Randy J. Ray -- U S WEST Technologies IAD/CSS/DPDS Phone: (303)595-2869 Denver, CO rjray@uswest.com I don't suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 20:57:53 -0700 From: "Ray Boorman" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: RE: 109 Biplane Lunacy *#! (was Rookie) Message-ID: <199605102057.NAA17956@cessna.lynx.bc.ca> ---------- > From: Brian N > I warned you guys about making fun of one of my favorites... > I'm going to take an Albatross, increase the span a tad, make them > appear to be skinned metal rather than fabric, put retractable gear, > (monoplane - low wing) and dark green/black green splinter camo > with a tail band and funny cross. Isnt this exactly what the Glencoe Albatross is for! In fact put twin rudders on the back swept back wings and take the spinner off and make it a jet intake. I can see it now The Red barons Albatross F15. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 18:48:45 -0400 From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: SE5a Madness Message-ID: <960510184843_395902834@emout07.mail.aol.com> What the world needs is an accurate 1/48 SE5a. Perhaps the folks at DML are listening. Plenty of opportunity for markings and pilot busts.... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 18:53:37 -0400 From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: NEW MAILING LIST MEMBER Message-ID: <960510185336_395906967@emout19.mail.aol.com> Precision Enterprises has ceramic wire in black which is spot on for 1/48 and a tad thick for 1/72. Ten feet for $4.95. Worth a try! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 17:21:03 +0000 From: Robert Johnson To: wwi Subject: Re: SE5a Madness Message-ID: <9605101717.ab02608@scosysv.speechsys.com> > Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 18:47:24 -0400 > Reply-to: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > From: DavidL1217@aol.com > What the world needs is an accurate 1/48 SE5a. Perhaps the folks at DML are > listening. Plenty of opportunity for markings and pilot busts.... > I heard a rumor that DML is getting out of airplanes altogether so that they can concentrate on agricultural vehicles (armored). I was told that they plan to finally release the Camel this summer as their swansong. Has anyone else heard this? Rob. Rob. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 17:32:02 -0700 From: gspring@ix.netcom.com (Greg Springer) To: wwi Subject: RE: A.H. Cobby Message-ID: <199605110032.RAA25358@dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com> The erudite Mr. Weir has written: (Much content snipped) >For those who have seen neither, Cobby >had a Chaplin caricature as a personal marking AND two "liberated" (okay >then, stolen) railway notices affixed to his aircraft > >I can't recall the exact wording but "Please do not spit" and "It is >dangerous to lean out the windows" would be close. I am sure the wording was as follows and in fact part of the lyrics to Eisenhour's favorite song (to the tune of 'Humoresque'): Passengers will please refrain >From flushing toilets while the train Is standing in the station (I love you). My favorite passtime after dark Is goosing statues in the park. If Sherman's horse can take it, so can you. Thank you. Thank you. Please, no more applause. Thank you! Greg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 20:04:34 -0600 From: John Roll (John P. Roll) To: wwi Subject: Re: Tom Lehrer (was Rookie on the list) Message-ID: Well, well, my hats off to you all! You all are: Heck, you and everyone who has been reading these things knows who you are... This group is truly warped -- and I love it! Now I know why I fit in so well! Happy modeling! John Roll j-roll@maroon.tc.umn.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 23:39:12 +0400 (GMT-4) From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: SE5a Madness Message-ID: <199605101939.XAA07853@fw.true.net> At 06:47 PM 5/10/96 -0400, you wrote: >What the world needs is an accurate 1/48 SE5a. Perhaps the folks at DML are >listening. Plenty of opportunity for markings and pilot busts.... > > Well that kit is certainly not Monogram, I like this plane that much that it was the first WW I kit I did, that is three years ago and I am still hooked on this era " lots of WW II kits waiting patiently to be rediscovered by my grandsons " well this kit had really a short life as the camshaft cover is so over dimensioned, and the Vickers is so downward positioned that it shot the plane down with the first burst. Pity that DML nor Blue Max nor Aeroclub " wasn't it a beautiful FE.2b they did " nor even Eduard have it, even in sight, anyone has any idea why is this so, because it would certainly be a must in every modelers show room. The Windsock Datafile Special by J.M. Bruce is a must. Saludos Alberto ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 22:01:20 -0700 From: gspring@ix.netcom.com (Greg Springer) To: wwi Subject: Re: NEW MAILING LIST MEMBER Message-ID: <199605110501.WAA06324@dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com> David wrote: > >Precision Enterprises has ceramic wire in black which is spot on for 1/48 and >a tad thick for 1/72. Ten feet for $4.95. Worth a try! Could we have the address of this company please? Cheers! Greg ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 13:10:35 -0400 From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: 109 Biplane Lunacy *#! (was Rookie) Message-ID: <960511131035_396448825@emout09.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 96-05-08 19:27:54 EDT, you write: > >I'm doing the same thing, but with a Heller 109B. I think that two bladed >prop will look convincing (?) Also, shortened the wings (lower) by 1/2" >each and reshaped the tips, lopped off the radiators from the undersurface >of the now-one-piece top wing, and have been pondering: Struts, or a solid >looking mass like a Roland C.II? Fixed gear is a must indeed, but there's >always floats! Now there's an idea. > > I realy think that cutting the rear fuselage away after the cockpit and replacing it with just a windscreen, adding two spandaus forward of the cockpit, a DVII landing gear arrangement na we can replace that silly "109" number with roman numerals and we may have a winner. Remember, real pilots aren't afraid of a little wind in their hair. (so spoken by the man who has never flown anything faster than than 180 KIAS) Glen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 13:10:37 -0400 From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Re[2]: Rookie on THE LIST Message-ID: <960511131036_396448837@emout12.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 96-05-10 11:03:37 EDT, you write: > First we got that bomb, and that was good > 'cus we believe in life and motherhood.... > But Egypt's gonna get one too, just to use on you know who, so Israel's getting tense, want's one in self defence, the Lords our shepard says the psalm, but just in case, we better get a bomb.... Hey have you ever noticed how easy those 1/48 scale kits are? All them parts are just so huge! I can even see all the pieces! What a deal, too bad you cant shrink 'em down to a useful scale , like 1/72, when you get 'em on the shelf. Glen "I just put them up, I don't care were they come down, thats not my department, said Werner Von Braun" Dedicated to Ken Hagerup, any one who graduated from "Firebase Berkley" deserves my respect ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 124 *********************