WWI Digest 115 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Re[2]: Kit Recommendations/Reviews by robj@speechsys.com 2) Re: Re[2]: Kit Recommendations/Reviews by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 3) Albatros 2 Seater Drawings by modlctzn@pacificrim.net (Mike Franklin) 4) Meikraft Fokker by cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) 5) Re: FI/Dr I Color Schemes by gspring@ix.netcom.com (Greg Springer) 6) Re: Re[2]: Kit Recommendations/Reviews by "S.M. Head" 7) F.1 102/17 (was: FI/Dr I Color Schemes) by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 8) Re: Re[2]: Kit Recommendations/Reviews by modlctzn@pacificrim.net (Mike Franklin) 9) Re: Kit Recommendations/Reviews by SCLexicat@aol.com 10) Blue Rider request by "Matt Bittner" 11) Surplus stock by Charles_A._Duckworth@notes.up.com (Charles A. Duckworth) 12) Re: Blue Rider request by Charles_A._Duckworth@notes.up.com (Charles A. Duckworth) 13) Re: fake fabric ??? by jalcober@mindspring.com (Jose Alcober) 14) Re: Blue Rider request by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 15) Re: Blue Rider request by Richard Humberstone 16) Re: Re[2]: Kit Recommendations/Reviews by robj@speechsys.com 17) Re: Blue Rider request by SHUSTAD@email.usps.gov 18) Re: Blue Rider request by SMHead 19) SE5a Madness by bciciora@pitneysoft.com (Bill Ciciora) 20) Re: Re[2]: Kit Recommendations/Reviews by SMHead 21) Re: Re[2]: Kit Recommendations/Reviews by "Matt Bittner" 22) Re: F.1 102/17 (was: FI/Dr I Color Schemes) by Erik Pilawskii 23) Re: Re[2]: Kit Recommendations/Reviews by robj@speechsys.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 17:22:48 +0000 From: robj@speechsys.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Re[2]: Kit Recommendations/Reviews Message-ID: <9605011713.ab20886@scosysv.speechsys.com> > Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 19:08:17 -0400 > Reply-to: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > From: stonto@seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re[2]: Kit Recommendations/Reviews > > And, eventually the whole lot of molds migrated once again to Czechoslovokia > where SMER started producting the whole she-bang - the six aurora copies > from Merit (Albatros D-III, Fokker tripe, Fokker D-VII, Sopwith Camel, > SE5, and Nieuport) plus the two Merit originals (DH-2 and Avro 504) plus > the SMER original of the SVA 5. (Don't think I've forgotten any!) > > Supermarine Walrus; it sits on my shelf collecting dust from > the nearby litterbox. Cat litter. This is not a place of > honor. > > ----Stephen Tontoni The SVA.5 was not original with SMER either. It was once sold under the Italian Artiplast label, which also included the Walrus, SM.79, Re.2000, and CR.42, all in about 1/50th scale. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 16:18:40 -0700 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Re[2]: Kit Recommendations/Reviews Message-ID: <199605012318.AA28893@ednet1.orednet.org> Stephen Tontoni wrote: > >And, eventually the whole lot of molds migrated once again to Czechoslovokia >where SMER started producting the whole she-bang - the six aurora copies >from Merit (Albatros D-III, Fokker tripe, Fokker D-VII, Sopwith Camel, >SE5, and Nieuport) plus the two Merit originals (DH-2 and Avro 504) plus >the SMER original of the SVA 5. (Don't think I've forgotten any!) > > Supermarine Walrus; it sits on my shelf collecting dust from > the nearby litterbox. Cat litter. This is not a place of > honor. > Well, there is actually a Blackburn Shark as well from ol' Merit which pops up from time to time in a SMER box as well but I was speaking just 'bout the WW1 stuff. Cheers, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org -or- aw177@Freenet.Carleton.ca - -"These days the buck stops nowhere." Don Henley - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 17:21:06 -0700 From: modlctzn@pacificrim.net (Mike Franklin) To: wwi Subject: Albatros 2 Seater Drawings Message-ID: <199605020021.RAA25641@olympic.pacificrim.net> Hi folks, Here is a list of the Albatros 2 Seater Drawings as published in Scale Models International. No. 1 - B.I July '78 No. 2 - B.II & B.IIa September '78 No. 3 - B.III November '78 No. 4 - C.I January '79 No. 5 - C.III March '79 No. 6 - C.V/16 May '79 No. 7 - C.V/17 July '79 No. 8 - C.VII September '79 No. 9 - C.IX November '79 No.10 - C.X January '80 No.11 - C.XII March '80 No.12 - C.XV May '80 No.13 - J.I July '80 No.14 - J.II September '80 Each one of these drawings are accompanied by an article describing a potted history and stastics. Also included with each is two or three photographs. Many of these drawings were re-printed in the "Aircraft Archive" volumes released by Argus Books after they took over Scale Models Intl. These re-prints did not include the article or photos. Later, Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------- | _________________________|__________________________ | | | \ | / | | | "BEWARE THE PUN | ______\_O_O_/______ | | | IN THE SUN!" | / \ | | | annon. | (((((((+))))))) | | | ______|____________\_____/_____________|______ | | / \ | | []/_______\[] | | [] [] | | Mike Franklin is modlctzn@pacificrim.net | ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 96 21:23:18 EDT From: cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) To: wwi Subject: Meikraft Fokker Message-ID: <199605020123.VAA06843@conted.swann.gatech.edu> Hello, folks, Well, I recently got the Meikraft Fokker D.I from Rosemont, and I must say that it is very disappointing. I didn't expect DML or Eduard quality, true, but this kit is much rougher than the other two Meikraft kits I have, the Dornier D.I and Pfalz D.III. And while it's nice to find some photoetched items in the box, there were no assembly instructions! For future reference, does anyone who has the kit know where all those small parts go? Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 18:53:34 -0700 From: gspring@ix.netcom.com (Greg Springer) To: wwi Subject: Re: FI/Dr I Color Schemes Message-ID: <199605020153.SAA02820@dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com> Bill has written, (Content snipped somewhat) > >Well, I visited the library today and happened to crack open a book >I'd read before but didn't have in my personal library and, 'lo and >behold, there is yet another photo of Voss's F.1 103/17 taken from >the front starboard side with what appears to be a clear 'stripe' >in front of the white cross surround. Arggh! Where did this come >from? - I had thought I had -all- the existent photos of 103/17 >in one or another of the volumes in my personal library. Time to put my oar in! I have a relatively good reproduction of this photo in the Harleyford book ' Von Richtoffen & The Flying Circus' page 74. It appears to have been taken on a wet, foggy day and the aircraft is taxiing in thick mud with the help of three groundcrew. First of all, I was given to understand a long time ago that there were no white backgrounds to the fuselage crosses. Given that possibility, I would think that the painters used a heavier application of olive to frame the crosses. I have a series of photos of FI/103 in different books. The best quality left side views that I've got are in 'Richtoffens Dreidecker und Fokker D VII' (goofy title) by good ol' Heinz Nowarra (a German language 'In Action' type monograph) and in Cross & Cocade Vol. 23 #2. In both these views the background field of the fuselage cross is identical in value to the rest of the fuselage side which is_very_lightly streaked. I think that Franz, painting on the right side, framed the field more heavily and put on more dense streaking than Emil did on the left side. I've been working on the Revell 1/28 model off and on (mostly off) for about three years. Some other observations: Pictures of the Pfalz D IIIs of Jasta 10 taken at the same time show the squadron markings very dark indeed. About the same value as the cowling of FI/103. The wheels of 103 are overpainted in a monochrome with the same value as the cowling. Struts and gear legs seem to be turquoise. It looks like a tossup to me. If the cowling is a deep yellow with a lot of red in it, the white would stand out well enough and the such coloration is not untypical of Japanese warrior-faced kites that I have seen. Yet even in a crash as complete as Voss suffered I would think that enough of the cowling would be left for the intelligence officer to record it's color as yellow. After all, they were able to identify the motor as a captured LeRhone. Voss liked to elaborately decorate his aircraft and as leader of Jasta 10 I would guess that for morale reasons rather than for personal identification he would mark his new mount in the squadron color. Perhaps the cowling is olive and the wheels yellow? A couple more observations. The streaking appears to be very thin in most of the photos. This would account for the reports of a blue-grey or silvery-blue appearance. The discoloration of the fuselage sides along the lower longerons appears to be caused by dirty oil staining the fabric. Plain mud would dry out and flake off. The photo of Voss on page 58 of the aforementioned Cross & Cockade issue shows oil dripping down the leading edge of the axle 'wing'. I have also been told that the background fields of the underwing crosses are natural linen. So what did I do? I painted both cowling and wheels a 'pumpkin orange' to stir up controversy! I'm signing off. I just flew in from Boston and boy, are my arms tired! Cheers! Greg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 00:43:51 -0400 From: "S.M. Head" To: wwi Subject: Re: Re[2]: Kit Recommendations/Reviews Message-ID: <9605012332.aa16684@mail.iapc.net> Someone (sorry!) Wrote: > >The SVA.5 was not original with SMER either. It was once sold under >the Italian Artiplast label, which also included the Walrus, SM.79, >Re.2000, and CR.42, all in about 1/50th scale. There's a CR.32, and a Macchi C.200 from this line too. Anyone who has attempted these kits deserves a medal for bravery! Scott Head ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 23:11:12 -0700 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: F.1 102/17 (was: FI/Dr I Color Schemes) Message-ID: <199605020611.AA18722@ednet1.orednet.org> Well, I'm still digesting greg's excellent post on his conclusions/ speculations on the colors of F.1 103/17. But, while I'm doing so, I'd like to throw out a related question. While almost all of the references show MvR's F.1 102/17 as having a totally 'streaked' fuselage, has anyone else noticed that the photos seem to show the portion of the fuselage aft of the eisenkruz as 'dark' (dare I say RED?) I am specifically refering to pages 8 and 14 of the squadron signal 'In Action' publication and page 47 of the motorbooks international publication 'Triplanes'. So, could it be that the 'Red Baron's' first triplane was, at least, partially red? I have an even deeper question in mind here but before I make a total fool of myself, I'd like to see if there are any problems with my preliminary speculation which is that MvR's (and, later, Kurt Wolff's) F.1 102/17 had a red (or at least dark) rear fuselage. Cheers, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org -or- aw177@Freenet.Carleton.ca - -"These days the buck stops nowhere." Don Henley - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 23:49:27 -0700 From: modlctzn@pacificrim.net (Mike Franklin) To: wwi Subject: Re: Re[2]: Kit Recommendations/Reviews Message-ID: <199605020649.XAA25433@olympic.pacificrim.net> >Stephen Tontoni wrote: >> Supermarine Walrus; it sits on my shelf collecting dust from >> the nearby litterbox. Cat litter. This is not a place of >> honor. And then Bill Shatzer wrote: >Well, there is actually a Blackburn Shark as well from ol' Merit which >pops up from time to time in a SMER box as well but I was speaking just >'bout the WW1 stuff. > Now I write: Me thinks there was NOT a Blackburn Shark but it was a Fairey Swordfish. >From Merit it was too. And not too bad a kit, float version only. A set of landing gear and wheels are available in metal from Aeroclub. Both the Walrus and Swordfish were 1/48. The Walrus kit is a little crude but looks just like a Walrus when made up. There were two Blackburn Shark kits, first from Skybirds, second from Frog. Both in 1/72. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- | _________________________|__________________________ | | | \ | / | | | "BEWARE THE PUN | ______\_O_O_/______ | | | IN THE SUN!" | / \ | | | annon. | (((((((+))))))) | | | ______|____________\_____/_____________|______ | | / \ | | []/_______\[] | | [] [] | | Mike Franklin is modlctzn@pacificrim.net | ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 07:08:26 -0400 From: SCLexicat@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Kit Recommendations/Reviews Message-ID: <960502070826_104939399@emout09.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 01/05/96 20:14:29, you write: >Does anyone know if there is a good 1/48 FE2b on the market or planned to be >released before my rigger quits. > > Aeroclub has just recently released one which has had very good reviews. It's about #27.50, I think. Comes with a really neat vac-form jig which makes assembly of accurate booms a snap, according to Scale Models International. But then Aeroclub is always full of innovative ideas for making models easier to build. Toughest job is of course the rigging. Simon Craven England ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 06:57:23 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: WW1 Modelers Subject: Blue Rider request Message-ID: <199605020701.HAA29249@cso.com> First off, an explanation why I'm sending this to the list. I want to see if I can generate any positive feelings from those who build other than German - specifically French. I'm also sending this to the list because I know Richard (?) of Blue Rider lurks. What I would *REALLY* like to see from Blue Rider is a sheet of decals with nothing but French "squadron" emblems. The Stork. The 'Cock' (rooster). The "Ducks". Etc. etc. Make a sheet for all the N. and Spa. squadrons. And I do mean *ALL*. Why? Because there is a sore lack of "non-famous" French squadron emblems out there. When I decided to build my first Nie.17 years ago, I decided on a scheme found in a Windsock, for one of the "few" Japanese aviators that flew with France. The squadron "emblem" for this individual was three ducks. Unfortunately, I don't remember the person's name, nor do I remember which N. he was from. Anyway, I had to "scratch" the emblems, and they were far from perfect. Decals would have definitely been nice. I do see a market for this sheet in *all* scales. Sure, "bigotted" me would only like to see 1/72nd, but "reality" me says that there is enough 1/48th stuff out there (plus the 1/32nd Nie.17) that the "bigger" scales would use them as well. What do others think? Matt -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Matthew Bittner O- 1/72nd WW1 Modeler, ecto subscriber meba@cso.com PowerBuilder developer; Omaha, Nebraska Loreena McKennitt; Jewel; suddenly, tammy!; jehova waitresses Disclaimer: opinions expressed by me are mine, mine, mine! "In order to learn from your mistakes, make lots of mistakes" - Ancient Chinese bumpersticker -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 May 1996 07:20:47 -0500 From: Charles_A._Duckworth@notes.up.com (Charles A. Duckworth) To: wwi Subject: Surplus stock Message-ID: <1996May02.051925.1155.305017@uprr-internet.notes.up.com> As information to the group I am planning to sell a large number of 1/72 WW1 models that I have collected over the last 10-15 years. I am not getting out of the hobby but in looking at my time it takes to build a kit vs. the number of unbuilt kits I have I will have to live to be around 150 to get them completed. I have Pegasus, Meikraft, Merlin, ESCI, Revell, Rosemont, Wings and Classic Planes. The cross section ranges from Hansa Brandenburg W20 by Merlin, Vickers Vimy by Novo to Junkers DI by Warbirds. I have approximately 120 kits and have priced them at the original cost. If you'd like the list please send me a LSSAE. Charlie Duckworth, 604 Foote Ave., Webster Groves, Mo. 63119. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 May 1996 07:35:28 -0500 From: Charles_A._Duckworth@notes.up.com (Charles A. Duckworth) To: wwi Subject: Re: Blue Rider request Message-ID: <1996May02.053220.1155.305043@uprr-internet.notes.up.com> This is a great idea. I would recommend only doing 1/72 and 1/48 and would hold off on the larger scales until we see more kits become available. The good news is the information is generally available to do the artwork correctly. While I like the colorful Jasta schemes as well as the next next guy the French had some great looking unit and personal markings. If you think about it we have more decal options for the DML SPAD in AEF than French. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 09:31:34 -0400 From: jalcober@mindspring.com (Jose Alcober) To: wwi Subject: Re: fake fabric ??? Message-ID: Charles, thanks for taking the time to provide the information on Mr. Gerrard and "Stropp". Personally, I wouldn't mind it if the identity of the pilot remained a mystery. Something like the "Tomb of the unkown soldier" for the German Air Corp. Thanks again, Jose ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 09:09:54 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: Blue Rider request Message-ID: Charles Duckworth writes: >This is a great idea. I would recommend only doing 1/72 and 1/48 and would >hold off on the larger scales until we see more kits become available. The >good news is the information is generally available to do the artwork >correctly. While I like the colorful Jasta schemes as well as the next next >guy the French had some great looking unit and personal markings. If you >think about it we have more decal options for the DML SPAD in AEF than >French. Here, here. Not only is the DML SPAD kit better represented with AEF markings, I would go as far to say that every SPAD kit has been issued preferrably with non-French decal options. Even the 1:28 Revell SPAD XIII has been issued with Czech decals no less. Perhaps though part of this situation comes from the lack of well disseminated information about French SPADs. We know there are a number of photos around of these machines, there just isn't some one around for early French aviation with the enthusiasm and energy for the subject the way that Peter Grosz goes after records of early German avaition. If it hadn't for the efforts of Pete Grosz, Heinz Nowarra, Alex Imrie, Peter Gray and others how much would we know today about WW I German Jastas ??? Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 May 96 14:17:30 GMT From: Richard Humberstone To: wwi Subject: Re: Blue Rider request Message-ID: <831043058.21516.0@stratauk.demon.co.uk> Hi Matt Sounds like a good suugestion. Doing all the emblems could also fit into our new venture (48pp A5 books with a decal sheet). I would appreciate any help in assembling the information and would be pleased if someone on the list could possibly come up with some copyy. (I keep running out of time to write, draw plans, produce decals etc......As for modelling itself - I last built a kit in 1988!!) Richard at Blue Rider ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 09:11:18 +0000 From: robj@speechsys.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Re[2]: Kit Recommendations/Reviews Message-ID: <9605020901.aa26190@scosysv.speechsys.com> Scott Head is right. I'd forgotten. I actually have the CR.32. It doesn't look too bad, though I admit I haven't got beyond the dry-fit stage. I always look at kits like this as alternatives to scratch-building rather than as state-of -the-art kits. Rob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 13:02:30 -0400 From: SHUSTAD@email.usps.gov To: "(u)wwi" Subject: Re: Blue Rider request Message-ID: <0033000001087884000002*@MHS> Re: Blue Rider Decals thread; I'll piggy back on the below suggestions with one of my own. Even though it's German, and French seems to be the current 'thread' subject, I'd like to suggest a "Blue Rider" *German WW I* sheet of: 1/72 scale stencils. Things like weights stenciling, and items like; "Fok. Dr.I 125/17", "Pfal D.III", misc. serial numbers in various 'known to have been used' styles and sizes, etc. that can be cut up, combined, etc. - sort of like your Austro-Hungarian serials sheet of a few years ago This is *sorely* lacking right now as the closest thing to it we currently have is the old Microscale sheet (too limited, some wrong styles, etc.) and misc. Americal/Gryphon sheets that the small stuff is usually 'blurred', 'smeared', or, partially missing on...unusable. (I'm sure a 1/48 scale version would sell well too). Think about it! Steve H. (The Mad Norseman!) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- First off, an explanation why I'm sending this to the list. I want to see if I can generate any positive feelings from those who build other than German - specifically French. I'm also sending this to the list because I know Richard (?) of Blue Rider lurks. What I would *REALLY* like to see from Blue Rider is a sheet of decals with nothing but French "squadron" emblems. The Stork. The 'Cock' (rooster). The "Ducks". Etc. etc. Make a sheet for all the N. and Spa. squadrons. And I do mean *ALL*. Why? Because there is a sore lack of "non-famous" French squadron emblems out there. When I decided to build my first Nie.17 years ago, I decided on a scheme found in a Windsock, for one of the "few" Japanese aviators that flew with France. The squadron "emblem" for this individual was three ducks. Unfortunately, I don't remember the person's name, nor do I remember which N. he was from. Anyway, I had to "scratch" the emblems, and they were far from perfect. Decals would have definitely been nice. I do see a market for this sheet in *all* scales. Sure, "bigotted" me would only like to see 1/72nd, but "reality" me says that there is enough 1/48th stuff out there (plus the 1/32nd Nie.17) that the "bigger" scales would use them as well. What do others think? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 13:08:23 -0400 From: SMHead To: wwi Subject: Re: Blue Rider request Message-ID: <9605021207.aa21986@mail.iapc.net> Matt wrote: > >What I would *REALLY* like to see from Blue Rider is a sheet of >decals with nothing but French "squadron" emblems. The Stork. The >'Cock' (rooster). The "Ducks". Etc. etc. Make a sheet for all the >N. and Spa. squadrons. And I do mean *ALL*. > >I do see a market for this sheet in *all* scales. Sure, "bigotted" >me would only like to see 1/72nd, but "reality" me says that there is >enough 1/48th stuff out there (plus the 1/32nd Nie.17) that the >"bigger" scales would use them as well. > >What do others think? > I'd buy a few of each scale! Great suggestion, Matt Scott Head ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 May 96 11:33:38 EDT From: bciciora@pitneysoft.com (Bill Ciciora) To: wwi Subject: SE5a Madness Message-ID: I have all three of the kits (unbuilt), by Lindberg, Smer, and Monogram. I compared the Lindberg and Monogram top wings. You can easily see the size difference. All this SE5a talk has raised a question. I've seen pictures of both two-bladed and four-bladed props on SE5s. Does anyone have insight into this? Were the props used with different engines, or is there some other method to prop allocation? Bill Ciciora ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 13:42:42 -0400 From: SMHead To: wwi Subject: Re: Re[2]: Kit Recommendations/Reviews Message-ID: <9605021216.aa22099@mail.iapc.net> >Scott Head is right. I'd forgotten. I actually have the CR.32. It doesn't >look too bad, though I admit I haven't got beyond the dry-fit stage. I always >look at kits like this as alternatives to scratch-building rather than as >state-of >-the-art kits. > >Rob As nuch as I complain about these types of "dog kits", I have 'em all! Actually, you are right Rob- They are great starting points, and if one works a little more than usual a masterpiece can eventually be hewn from the plastic. One observation- Is it a modelling mystery taht every time I just about complete a major scratchbuilding project or upgrade a dog kit that "Tama-gawa" releases thesame subject as the best injection molded kit of all time? We need more folks to start building dog kits, "model martyrs" in a sense! Scott Head ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 12:55:34 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: wwi Subject: Re: Re[2]: Kit Recommendations/Reviews Message-ID: <199605021300.NAA04983@cso.com> On 2 May 96 at 13:42, SMHead typed diligantly: > One observation- Is it a modelling mystery taht every time I just about > complete a major scratchbuilding project or upgrade a dog kit that > "Tama-gawa" releases thesame subject as the best injection molded kit of > all time? We need more folks to start building dog kits, "model martyrs" in > a sense! Well, why don't you get started with the Glencoe Albatros D.III, and the Airfix Dr.I? Or better yet, work on that Merlin AEG G.IV!!!! ;-) Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 11:52:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Erik Pilawskii To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: F.1 102/17 (was: FI/Dr I Color Schemes) Message-ID: Bill, > > Well, I'm still digesting greg's excellent post on his conclusions/ > speculations on the colors of F.1 103/17. Me, too. Well done Greg! > > I have an even deeper question in mind > here but before I make a total fool of myself, I'd like to see > if there are any problems with my preliminary speculation which is > that MvR's (and, later, Kurt Wolff's) F.1 102/17 had a red (or > at least dark) rear fuselage. Good heavens, man! Speak up! You're driving me insane with curiosity (or, was that the idea?)!! Erik :^) :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: "I have not yet, Sir, had the pleasure of your introduction-- and I suspect that I shall not have, still, after we have met...." A.T.Magnuson, M.P. .............................................................................. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 14:07:07 +0000 From: robj@speechsys.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Re[2]: Kit Recommendations/Reviews Message-ID: <9605021357.aa28366@scosysv.speechsys.com> On Thu, 2 May 1996 14:04 Matt Bittner joined many who made slighting references to Glencoe's Albatros D.III Oef. I liked this kit. Trying to make it look worthy of the decals was so much fun that I actually got back into this hobby after a 20-yr hiatus (the model was a gift). Sure, the fuselage halves were different sizes. But the plastic was so thick I just carved it to shape. Struts? Wire and aluminum tube sanded and rolled to shape. The crummy engine got me into scratch-building WW1 engines, great fun and the source of my first successful journalistic venture, an FSM article (still forthcoming after 3 years). The model looked very nice until I left it under a photo lamp too long. Live and learn. Rob. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 115 *********************