WWI Digest 113 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Austrian books by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 2) re: Albatross D.Va "Stropp" by Brian Nicklas 3) Re: Austrian books by "Matt Bittner" 4) Re: ideas by Erik Pilawskii 5) Re: ideas by "Matt Bittner" 6) re: Albatross D.Va "Stropp" by cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) 7) Albatrai drawings by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 8) re: Albatross D.Va "Stropp" by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 9) Re: Lohner "L" Drawings? by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 10) Re: Ideas by modlctzn@pacificrim.net (Mike Franklin) 11) re: Albatross D.Va "Stropp" by jalcober@mindspring.com (Jose Alcober) 12) re: Albatross D.Va "Stropp" by jalcober@mindspring.com (Jose Alcober) 13) Re: Experimental SE5 night camouflage by bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 14) Re: Pup vs Camel by bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 15) Re: Experimental SE5 night camouflage by MShan15048@aol.com 16) Re: Pup vs Camel by MShan15048@aol.com 17) re: Albatross D.Va "Stropp" by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 18) fake fabric ??? by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 19) re: Albatross D.Va "Stropp" by Brian Nicklas 20) Re: Albatrai book sources by Alberto Rada 21) Re: ideas by NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) 22) Re: ideas by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 23) Re: ideas by DavidL1217@aol.com 24) Re: Latest from Rosemont by DavidL1217@aol.com 25) Re: Albatross D.Va "Stropp" by DavidL1217@aol.com 26) Re: Pup vs Camel by DavidL1217@aol.com 27) Armored cars by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 28) Austrian books--redux by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 29) WWI trivia at SMF website by "S.M. Head" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 11:21:30 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: Austrian books Message-ID: >On 30 Apr 96 at 11:22, Charles Hart typed diligantly: > >> Sonderheft 22, Hansa-Brandenburg D-I, published in 1995. >> Similar in format to Sonderheft 20. Photos published >> inside the cover, drawings inside illustrating many markings this machine >> wore, no color. Text all auf deutsch. Price 60 Austrian schillings (about >> US$6.00 at today's exchange rate). > And Matt replied: >Rob, or whomever's going to Austria: could you look for this one for >me? I just called Articles of War, and they don't carry the OFH >Nachrichten books anymore - which is a shame. If not, I guess I'll >have to look into getting it direct - even though for some reason it >scares the bejeebies out of me. Ah, life is like that. > Hey, I have an order blank for this, the only thing is that they want an IMO (International Money Order) written in Austrian Schillings as payment, sorry VISA not accepted here. This might be worth while if there were several list members wanting copies of this and then someone could do a bulk order and off set the bank charges needed for writing a MO in schillings (it won't be cheap). Just a thought. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 96 13:35:05 EDT From: Brian Nicklas To: Subject: re: Albatross D.Va "Stropp" Message-ID: <199604301733.NAA01721@pease1.sr.unh.edu> WWI Aero #110, July 1986 has an article by James Kerr titled "STROPP: Mystery Solved?" Which places the earliest photos of the aircraft at the Cotton Palace, Waco, Texas in May/June 1918. Tracks back to intel reports and German loss records to indicate that STROPP was flown by VzFw Erich Guergens of Jasta 46 who was shot down at Marcelcave, France, 3 April 1918. Aircraft damaged by one bullet, however Guergens (RIP) was mortally wounded by several more. A good article, I think well done. I understand others have questioned it or parts of it. Until more is found that disproves Mr Kerrs work, I'll go with it. Brian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 12:28:21 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: wwi Subject: Re: Austrian books Message-ID: <199604301232.MAA05106@cso.com> On 30 Apr 96 at 13:04, Charles Hart typed diligantly: > Hey, I have an order blank for this, the only thing is that they want > an IMO (International Money Order) written in Austrian Schillings as > payment, sorry VISA not accepted here. This might be worth while if there > were several list members wanting copies of this and then someone could do > a bulk order and off set the bank charges needed for writing a MO in > schillings (it won't be cheap). If you're willing, Charles, put me down for one. How about list members? I'm sure there are a few of you with that Eduard large scale thingie. Sure, it's auf Deutsch, but I know enough German for the colors, and I'm sure there are others on the list more fluent than me. Any other takers? Charles, do you know of anything past number 22? Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 10:56:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Erik Pilawskii To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: ideas Message-ID: For 1/72 ideas, I'll add: -Conversion parts for an Albatros D.I/II -Taube Monoplane -Albatros C.I,II Erik ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 13:12:15 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: wwi Subject: Re: ideas Message-ID: <199604301316.NAA05822@cso.com> On 30 Apr 96 at 13:55, Erik Pilawskii typed diligantly: > -Albatros C.I,II Ooohhh...great idea, Eric. I too would like to add my vote for the C.I and C.II. I would also like to add the B. series, as well. Anybody have the complete run of articles on Albatros two seater types from Scale Models? I've got a few, but am far from the complete set. Matt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 96 14:23:45 EDT From: cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) To: wwi Subject: re: Albatross D.Va "Stropp" Message-ID: <199604301823.OAA03714@conted.swann.gatech.edu> Greg and Brian, Thanks for the information about Stropp! (I guess I can sleep more soundly now . . .) Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 12:47:09 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Albatrai drawings Message-ID: >On 30 Apr 96 at 13:55, Erik Pilawskii typed diligantly: > >> -Albatros C.I,II > and Matt replies: >Ooohhh...great idea, Eric. I too would like to add my vote for the >C.I and C.II. > >I would also like to add the B. series, as well. > >Anybody have the complete run of articles on Albatros two seater >types from Scale Models? I've got a few, but am far from the >complete set. I have xerox copies of these. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 13:06:34 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: re: Albatross D.Va "Stropp" Message-ID: Brian writes: >WWI Aero #110, July 1986 has an article by James Kerr titled >"STROPP: Mystery Solved?" >Which places the earliest photos of the aircraft at the Cotton Palace, >Waco, Texas in May/June 1918. >Tracks back to intel reports and German loss records to indicate >that STROPP was flown by VzFw Erich Guergens of Jasta 46 >who was shot down at Marcelcave, France, 3 April 1918. >Aircraft damaged by one bullet, however Guergens (RIP) >was mortally wounded by several more. >A good article, I think well done. I understand others have >questioned it or parts of it. Until more is found that disproves >Mr Kerrs work, I'll go with it. > The information that the late Jim Kerr used for this article had its origins with the late Rodney Gerrard. The emergence of this previously "unknown" data in the early 1980's produced a number of questions from people who consider themselves "experts" on early German aircraft. It was the emergence of this information from Rodney which launched the work by several individuals to discredit as fraudulent the rather substantial collection of fabric samples and air intelligence reports, some written on original RFC report forms, formerly posessed by Mr. Gerrard. Data from this collection, particularly with regard to color references has been widely used in Windsock Magazines, Windsock Datafiles, books and articles by the late Martin O'Connor M.D. and Americal/Gryphon Decals. Whether or not this collection is genuine, I am not in a position to judge. The article discrediting the Gerrard material was published in a recent issue of Cross & Cockade International, titled "Goodbye to all that red" by Alan Toelle, and an excerpt of this also appeared in a recent issue of World War One Aeroplanes. Whether "STROPP" flown by a VzFw Guergens has never been independently verified. As far as I know no other record of a pilot with this name has been found. Yet another piece of WWI research to be carried out. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 13:08:53 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: Lohner "L" Drawings? Message-ID: Scott wrote: >I just picked up a 1/72 Lohner L from Mike West at Lone Star Models. It's >decent, resin hull, vac flying surfaces, strut stock, white metal engine, >and beautiful photoetch by Fotocut. Now don't get me wrong, I like Mike- >he's a friend- but his instructions and vac parts have a lot of improving >to do. So I need some drawings of this little flying boat. Specifically the >interior and the engine area. Any help in locating a source for these >drawings would be greatly appreciated. And if anyone has a 1/72 Lohner from >Sierra they'd like to dump off or trade I'm up for that too! Thanks! Drawings for this aircraft are found in the Harleyford Book of Marine Aircraft of the 1914-18 War. Not much help for the interior however. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 14:57:45 -0700 From: modlctzn@pacificrim.net (Mike Franklin) To: wwi Subject: Re: Ideas Message-ID: <199604302157.OAA22999@olympic.pacificrim.net> >FAO Bill Shatzer > >The Liberty engined DH4 was produced by Esoteric, not Blue Rider. Just setting >the record straight. > >Richard Humberstone >Blue Rider Publishing And a total dog it is too. The resin fuselage was just a stock Airfix with the front cockpit moved. No attempt to change the cowling to the correct Liberty Engine configuration. The radiator cowling from the Airfix kit was glued on out of true and then used as a master for the resin part I had to pay mucho bucks for. The guy who made this piece of garbage died soon after releasing it. Later, Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------- | _________________________|__________________________ | | | \ | / | | | "BEWARE THE PUN | ______\_O_O_/______ | | | IN THE SUN!" | / \ | | | annon. | (((((((+))))))) | | | ______|____________\_____/_____________|______ | | / \ | | []/_______\[] | | [] [] | | Mike Franklin is modlctzn@pacificrim.net | ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 19:00:29 -0400 From: jalcober@mindspring.com (Jose Alcober) To: wwi Subject: re: Albatross D.Va "Stropp" Message-ID: Charles, Just out of curiosity, what was the substance of these allegations of fraud against Mr. Gerrard? Can you provide a brief synopsis? This sounds like something that the NASM would be interested in getting to the bottom of. After all, its their plane. Jose At 2:49 PM 4/30/96, Charles Hart wrote: > The information that the late Jim Kerr used for this article had its >origins with the late Rodney Gerrard. The emergence of this previously >"unknown" data in the early 1980's produced a number of questions from >people who consider themselves "experts" on early German aircraft. It was >the emergence of this information from Rodney which launched the work by >several individuals to discredit as fraudulent the rather substantial >collection of fabric samples and air intelligence reports, some written on >original RFC report forms, formerly posessed by Mr. Gerrard. Data from >this collection, particularly with regard to color references has been >widely used in Windsock Magazines, Windsock Datafiles, books and articles >by the late Martin O'Connor M.D. and Americal/Gryphon Decals. Whether or >not this collection is genuine, I am not in a position to judge. The >article discrediting the Gerrard material was published in a recent issue >of Cross & Cockade International, titled "Goodbye to all that red" by Alan >Toelle, and an excerpt of this also appeared in a recent issue of World War >One Aeroplanes. > > Whether "STROPP" flown by a VzFw Guergens has never been independently >verified. As far as I know no other record of a pilot with this name has >been found. Yet another piece of WWI research to be carried out. > >Charles > >hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 19:00:40 -0400 From: jalcober@mindspring.com (Jose Alcober) To: wwi Subject: re: Albatross D.Va "Stropp" Message-ID: Query to all, Does anyone know if decals are avialable for Stropp? In 1/48th scale? (I know, I know, I'm sorry but I can't help it.) In information would be appreciated. Thanks in advance, Jose ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 20:48:47 -0400 (EDT) From: bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Experimental SE5 night camouflage Message-ID: <199605010048.UAA10750@ns1.ptd.net> At 10:54 AM 4/30/96 -0400, robj@speechsys.com wrote: >Does anyone have any information about an RFC or RAF experimental >night camouflage consisting of medium-sized squares? A photo of it >appears in our local library's edition of The Wind in the Wires, and >I think I've seen it published a number of other places as well. Who >was responsible for it? What were the colors used? Why was it not >adopted for wider use? > >Thanks. > >Rob Johnson > Rob There are some good photos and 1 color drawing in the Windsock datafile special on the Se5a. It lists the colors as "NIVO over PC-10". Now, all you have to do is figure out what NIVO means. There is also a scheme for a night fighter flown by C. Lewis that is light blue over PC-10. Hope this can be of some help. Mike Muth Love ya, Mary-Ann ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 20:56:27 -0400 (EDT) From: bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Pup vs Camel Message-ID: <199605010056.UAA12684@ns1.ptd.net> I'm still not sure if I'm sending this stuff the correct way. I hope this reaches everyone. I have the suspicion that my lasy few messages only went to one person. Anyway, here goes. You always read about how much pilots loved to fly the Pup. There's never a mention of its rotary engine caused the spin tendencies that showed up in the Camel. The spin with the Camel is always attributed to the rotary engine. Why not with the Pup? Maybe someone who understands engineering, or physics, or computers will know. Yours in confusion, Mike Muth Love ya, Mary-Ann ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 22:11:18 -0400 From: MShan15048@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Experimental SE5 night camouflage Message-ID: <960430220815_103971161@emout18.mail.aol.com> For those who were looking for and at the Ian Huntley article from RE:Richthofen's Reds, this also discusses NIVO. In was a night fighter color developed from early British research and stayed in common use through much of the thirties. The color is very similar to the later "Dark Slate Grey" used on Fleet Air Arm aircraft in the second world unpleasantness, actually a green of about FS 34096. One source of the paint is Humbrol #102, and I think Testors Model Masters has it as one of the tank greens (for Abrams tanks, I think) It was the color used on many HP400's and Vimy's. Mark Shannon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 22:25:20 -0400 From: MShan15048@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Pup vs Camel Message-ID: <960430222331_103984637@emout07.mail.aol.com> I'm not an engineer, so I cannot give you the names of the equations and such. Basically, the Camel was a 'close-coupled' design, that is, one where the control surfaces were close to the forces they were acting on. This is like trying to lift a weight with a short versus a long lever arm. In addition, a lot of the Camel's weight was close to the cockpit area, which was not far behind the engine. (Fuel tanks, oil tanks, guns, ammo, pilot) The rest of the plane was essentially empty space. If you look at the relative distances in the Pup, they are much more evenly spaced. All planes (ships and cars, too) have a center of gravity that can be defined as a 'point mass' -- as if all of the weight were in a single point, relatively far forward, that all other forces acted through. All aircraft also have a point that is the sum of all vectors of lift (a center of lift), and points that are the sum of vectors for control inputs and drag. The Camel's combination was a touchy one. Something you might be familiar with is the terms in cars like 'Understeer' or Push, 'Oversteer' or looseness, and 'Neutral Steer'. In Understeer, the car wants to continue straight ahead when the wheels are turned, in Oversteer, the back end wants to break loose and snap around, and in Neutral Steering, the car responds "exactly" to steering inputs. It might seem that Neutral would be best, but for safety, most cars are designed with understeer for stability. The Camel was like a car designed for neutral to oversteering stability, giving it wonderful manuverability, but a tendency to get out of hand if left to its own devices. On straight roads you might be able to take your hands off the wheel for a few moments and still go straight in your car. Most planes are like this, but not the Camel (Or, for that matter, the Fokker Triplane and the Siemens-Schukart (sp?) types). Mark Shannon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 21:20:58 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: re: Albatross D.Va "Stropp" Message-ID: >Query to all, > >Does anyone know if decals are avialable for Stropp? In 1/48th scale? (I >know, I know, I'm sorry but I can't help it.) In information would be >appreciated. > A sheet with these markings was sold by an IPMS Chapter in California 10 or so years ago (IPMS Spruce Goose ??). The sheet was in 1:48. My example was pretty well printed. Don't know where you might find one now. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 21:32:08 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: fake fabric ??? Message-ID: Jose asks: > >Just out of curiosity, what was the substance of these allegations of fraud >against Mr. Gerrard? Can you provide a brief synopsis? This sounds like >something that the NASM would be interested in getting to the bottom of. >After all, its their plane. > In brief there are three points suggesting fraud on the part of the late Mr. Gerrard. 1) the quality of the fabric found in the collection was inconsistent and allegedly not of the proper quality to be suitable for use in an airplane. The article by Mr. Toelle called some samples "cheesecloth". 2) Some of the fabric samples allegedly have synthetic fibers, including paint brush bristles, imbedded in the dope covering some of the paint. 3) samples of alleged 5-color lozenge fabric are of different colors than recognized examples of this material. Spectral analysis of the dyes in the Gerrard samples do not match the spectra of "known" examples of lozenge material. These points were raised regarding fabric samples which had nothing to do with the alleged intelligence report on the downing and capture of "STROPP". While the authenticity of the report is challenged, no researcher has stepped forward to check among British service records to find a record of the officer who signed the report. To be sure some serious questions have been raised about this collection of fabric and text, but the case against it is far from air tight. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu > > > >At 2:49 PM 4/30/96, Charles Hart wrote: >> The information that the late Jim Kerr used for this article had its >>origins with the late Rodney Gerrard. The emergence of this previously >>"unknown" data in the early 1980's produced a number of questions from >>people who consider themselves "experts" on early German aircraft. It was >>the emergence of this information from Rodney which launched the work by >>several individuals to discredit as fraudulent the rather substantial >>collection of fabric samples and air intelligence reports, some written on >>original RFC report forms, formerly posessed by Mr. Gerrard. Data from >>this collection, particularly with regard to color references has been >>widely used in Windsock Magazines, Windsock Datafiles, books and articles >>by the late Martin O'Connor M.D. and Americal/Gryphon Decals. Whether or >>not this collection is genuine, I am not in a position to judge. The >>article discrediting the Gerrard material was published in a recent issue >>of Cross & Cockade International, titled "Goodbye to all that red" by Alan >>Toelle, and an excerpt of this also appeared in a recent issue of World War >>One Aeroplanes. >> >> Whether "STROPP" flown by a VzFw Guergens has never been independently >>verified. As far as I know no other record of a pilot with this name has >>been found. Yet another piece of WWI research to be carried out. >> >>Charles >> >>hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 96 23:36:48 EDT From: Brian Nicklas To: Subject: re: Albatross D.Va "Stropp" Message-ID: <199605010335.XAA06795@pease1.sr.unh.edu> The Stropp decals were done by IPMS Spruce Goose (right Charles), as a fundraiser for a Mike Fritz WWI trophy (I think). The same sheet shows up in the recent resin 1/48th kit, with the "copyright IPMS Spruce Goose" cut out of the sheet. Hmmmm... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 23:57:38 +0400 (GMT-4) From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Albatrai book sources Message-ID: <199604301957.XAA07300@fw.true.net> At 03:18 PM 29/04/96 -0400, you wrote: >>At 12:59 PM 29/04/96 -0400, you wrote: >>>Mark Shannon has written: >>>> >>>>My sources tell me that the Squadron/Signal "Albatross Fighters in Action" is >>>>currently not in print. I hope that will be remedied, since there's now= a >>>>good kit out and there seems to be a revitalization of WWI subjects in >>>>general. (It's now such ancient history it's quaint -- like Napoleonics= and >>>>American Civil War??) I can't find the Datafiles in question, but will= keep >>>>searching. >>>> >>> I forgot to add that I thought the Squadron book is out of print. >>>Several other volumes in this series have been re-published, so there is >>>hope. >>> >>>>Charles, in Colorado, also wrote: >>>> >>>>> The Smithsonian book is an excellent reference for Albatros D-V >>>>>machines and is good reading in general. It is still in print and is >>>>>available from Zenith books among other vendors. The Windsock Datafile >>>>>Special on the Albatros fighters is a good reference covering the D-I >>>>>through D-Va fighter types. Now if only there was a similar reference= on >>>>>Albatros TWO-seaters !! There are also the individual Windsock= Datafiles >>>>>on the D-II, D-III and D-V, although there is overlap in the photos= used >>>>>between these individual datafiles and the datafile special volume. >>>> >>>>A big Thank You to both of you, and I will keep looking. >>>> >>> The best source for Windsock Datafiles is probably to order them >>>directly from Albatros publications, the address is: >>> >>>Albatros Publications Ltd. >>>10 Long View >>>Berkhamsted >>>Herts HP4 1BY >>>UNITED KINGDOM >>> >>> He will accept personal checks written for the order amount= (provided >>>you allow for current exchange rates) and also pay an extra 3.00 pounds= for >>>bank charges ( about US$4.50 with today's exchange rate). If you need to >>>know an up to date currency exchange rate surf on over to: >>> >>>http://cnnfn.com/markets/currencies.html >>> >>> This is a handy site for your book marks list. >>> > Alberto wrote: >>> >>Try Wise Owl Worldwide Publications >> >>they have most Albatros's publications still available, also you can >>subscribe to Albatros publications through them. >> >>Their phone: 310-375-6258 >>Their fax: 310-375-0548 >> >>I believe you will get them quicker and avoid the check clearing charges. >> > > You may get them quicker but the prices for the publications >themselves are higher than buying direct, even after figuring in the bank >charges. For example I just picked up a copy of the Fokker D-VIII Datafile >reprint as part of a larger order (this way we avoided paying for postage), >given the exchange rate at the time the single Datafile cost was US$12.50, >including a portion of the bank charge for that order. > > >Charles > >hartc@spot.colorado.edu > > > Charles, you are absolutely correct, I buy from them direct, also Angela at Albatros Productions is great help, as a matter of fact I just wrote to them and asked if they could have a look at this web site and if they could be reached via e-mail. But if you are in a hurry to start a project and live in the USA then=85=85 Saludos Alberto ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 23:42:18 EDT From: NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) To: wwi Subject: Re: ideas Message-ID: <096.07233389.NPWE28A@prodigy.com> Here's my druthers: 1/72 - Detail parts for Ilya Murometz - SPAD A-2 - Schneider CA.1 - Saint Chamond - Whippet - Lorries, staff cars, flak trucks - Conversion kits for Matchbox FT - Curtiss NC - Burgess Dunne - Curtiss A-1 - Curtiss AB-3 - Bristol F2B - Bristol Scout - German twin engined bombers 1/700 - Zeppelins - British dirigibles - HMS Argus - HMS Furious Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 22:17:09 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: ideas Message-ID: Ken's wish list includes: >Here's my druthers: > >1/72 > > - Detail parts for Ilya Murometz > - SPAD A-2 > - Schneider CA.1 > - Saint Chamond > - Whippet > - Lorries, staff cars, flak trucks > - Conversion kits for Matchbox FT > - Curtiss NC > - Burgess Dunne > - Curtiss A-1 > - Curtiss AB-3 > - Bristol F2B > - Bristol Scout For the Bristol Scout D there is no need to wish, two kits in 1/72 have appeared that are good, 1) the unobtainable Toycraft Berg Fabric Time Special resin kit and 2) the short run injection kit from Aeroclub, a very nicely done kit. It shouldn't be that difficult to find, but I may be mistaken. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu > - German twin engined bombers > >1/700 > > - Zeppelins > - British dirigibles > - HMS Argus > - HMS Furious > >Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 00:25:42 -0400 From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: ideas Message-ID: <960501002542_525541651@emout14.mail.aol.com> Steve, great wish list. Skybirds '86 should soon release an Albatros CX in resin and metal along with an Aviatik CIII. Personnally, I can't wait.... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 00:27:49 -0400 From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Latest from Rosemont Message-ID: <960501002740_525542550@emout16.mail.aol.com> How about ground equipment and crew for the Drachen? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 00:34:38 -0400 From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Albatross D.Va "Stropp" Message-ID: <960501003437_525546576@emout19.mail.aol.com> The Soldier's Memorial in St. Louis has a photo of Stropp on display. The degree of handling damage is greater that that shown in the Smithsonian book. There is a large hole in the turtledeck halfway towards the fin and the canvas is gone from the rudder. It does not state where the photo was taken. Probably in St. Louis on the War Bond tour. Pretty tough since St. Louis was at the time over 50% German and a hotbed of German-American sympathy. Good beer town too! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 00:46:08 -0400 From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Pup vs Camel Message-ID: <960501004607_525552919@emout18.mail.aol.com> We should add that the Camel's Clerget rotary engine may have had a bit more torque than the Le Rhone. It produced 130 'two-stroke' horses as opposed to 80 -110 hp for the LeRhone. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 21:44:58 -0700 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Armored cars Message-ID: <199605010444.AA19934@ednet1.orednet.org> This is off the rec.toys.cars board for anyone interested: "Reviresco has just released four new white metal kits of World War One Armored Cars and Vehicles: Rolls Royce Armored Car model 1914, Rolls Royce Armored Car model 1916 (see attached jpg), Twin turreted Austin Armored Car 1914, and the Crosly tender. These kits are highly detailed in 1/72nd scale. $8.00 each plus shipping. Available at Reviresco, c/o John McEwan, 1119 San Francisco Ave. Olympia, WA 98506 Visa, Mastercard accepted." I know nothing about this company or the quality of their product so no endorsement implied. jpg snipped but available on the r.t.c board if ya' wanta go look. Cheers, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org -or- aw177@Freenet.Carleton.ca - -"These days the buck stops nowhere." Don Henley - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 23:22:12 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Austrian books--redux Message-ID: To continue this thread (yet again) here is some information I found tonight from Catalogue #38 from: The Aviation Bookshop 656 Holloway Road London N19 3PD Phone (for those that can't wait) +44 171 272 3630 VISA etc accepted, I can testify they give very good service. The catalog lists : Die Albatros (oeffag) Jagdflugzeuge der k.u.k. Luftfahrtruppen, by P Schiemer, 1984, 264 pages, published by H Weishaupt Verlag, Graz, Austria. ISBN 3-900310-15-7. Text all auf deutsch with many, many photos. A book strictly devoted to the Austro-Hungarian use of the Albatros fighter. If only there was a book of similar scale on the GERMAN use of this aircraft !! Price: 39.95 pounds ( about US$61.00) Also listed: Fleugzeuge der osterreichishen firma Lohner, by Keimel Price: 24.95 pounds (about US$ 38.00) This shop is also a source for Windsock publications, they charge the same prices that Albatros Publications does but less postage and the big advantage is that the bookshop takes VISA. Hope this helps. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 01:54:55 -0400 From: "S.M. Head" To: wwi Subject: WWI trivia at SMF website Message-ID: <9605010041.aa06042@mail.iapc.net> Hi all, Just thought I'd shamelessly plug our (IPMS Houston's) website by letting you all know the May trivia is a WWI aircraft identification. (address below) If you recognize the source, you've got a head start, otherwise it might just be a bit difficult. But then, I'm a relative newbie when it comes to WWI goodies! Enjoy! The prize will be a WWI related kit or decals or similar (will be announced later), but be assured, nothing I've scrounged out of any of you all! Oh yes, thanks to all who answered my Lohner question- I have quite a bit of research to do now. Happy Modeling Scott M. Head IPMS/USA #32841 IPMS Houston Scale Model Forum http://web-hou.iapc.net/~smh ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 113 *********************