WWI Digest 111 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Jans-Joachim von Hippel and Albatri by cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) 2) Re: Jans-Joachim von Hippel and Albatri by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 3) Re: Yellow Cowlings by cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) 4) Re: Not WWI stuff was (RE: Yo! Stepehen...) by GRBroman@aol.com 5) Re: Emden by GRBroman@aol.com 6) Re: WWI Tank Colors by GRBroman@aol.com 7) Re: List addicts anonymous by Mick Fauchon 8) Re: Lohner "L" Drawings? by "S.M. Head" 9) Re: FI/Dr I Color Schemes by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 10) Re: Jans-Joachim von Hippel and Albatri by GRydquist@gnn.com (Gregory Rydquist) 11) Re: Lohner "L" Drawings? by "Matt Bittner" 12) Mike Dunlop and VVS Models by "Matt Bittner" 13) Austrian books by "Matt Bittner" 14) Austrian books revisited by "Matt Bittner" 15) Re[2]: Not WWI stuff was (RE: Yo! Stepehen...) by stonto@seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu 16) Re: Austrian books revisited by cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) 17) Re: Jans-Joachim von Hippel and Albatri by MShan15048@aol.com 18) Albatrai book sources by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 19) Size of new and improved American Eagles. by Mathoo@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 28 Apr 96 15:01:51 EDT From: cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) To: wwi Subject: Re: Jans-Joachim von Hippel and Albatri Message-ID: <199604281901.PAA29153@conted.swann.gatech.edu> Two Abatros sources that are available are the Squadron "In Action" title and the Abatros Fighters Special put out by Albatros Publications in England (also responsible for Windsock magazine). They are both quite useful, as are the Datafiles on the D.II (out of print but due to be reprinted soon), D.III, and D.V. These are available from the publisher as well as from some sources in the States. Speaking of von Hippel, I think that someone in this list mentioned a 1974 article in an English modeling magazine that dealt with his planes. Could someone provide me with a photocopy? Finally, I came across a reference somewhere to a WWI Aero article which finally solved the "mystery" of the identity of STROPP's pilot. If anyone is familiar with this article, could he post a summary of its conclusions? TIA. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 13:26:49 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: Jans-Joachim von Hippel and Albatri Message-ID: An individual who didn't sign their message wrote: >I'm interested in learning more about von Hippel. I didn't know that the >D.Va 'Blitz'- marked was his, but I'm doing Eduard's Albatros as what my >references show as his D.V plane with the red dragon on the side. What is >his record/history/fate? > Apparently, Von Hippel survived until at least the 1970's, he contributed information on Jasta 5 Albatros markings which Peter Gray covered in an article in the November 1971 issue of Scale Models. Yes, the Albatros vHippel flew with the dragon was an Albatros D-V, with the aileron controls passing through the top wing, hence his ability to survive the structural failure of the right (?) lower wing of his dragon marked machine. >Also, I would like to hear suggestions as to good references on Albatros >fighters in general. Right now, all I can find is scattered among single >pictures in general books, references to when so-and-so flew such-and-such, >individual articles in Scale Models or Windsock, and the like. But I'm >always interested in the structure and development, as well as the markings. > All I can find along those lines are the monograph on the Smithsonian's >'Stropp' D.Va restoration. The Smithsonian book is an excellent reference for Albatros D-V machines and is good reading in general. It is still in print and is available from Zenith books among other vendors. The Windsock Datafile Special on the Albatros fighters is a good reference covering the D-I through D-Va fighter types. Now if only there was a similar reference on Albatros TWO-seaters !! There are also the individual Windsock Datafiles on the D-II, D-III and D-V, although there is overlap in the photos used between these individual datafiles and the datafile special volume. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Apr 96 15:14:11 EDT From: cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) To: wwi Subject: Re: Yellow Cowlings Message-ID: <199604281914.PAA29176@conted.swann.gatech.edu> Ken, I hate to disappoint you, but according to Rimell's review of the DML D.VIII in question in the latest issue of Windsock, yellow is not the correct color for that aiplane's cowl and tail. He points out that the photo of the plane included in the corresponding Datafile would suggest a color more like blue--and I believe he's right. I too was looking forward to one day building a yellow-cowled and -tailed D.VIII, but when I looked at the photo I realized that it was not to be. There's no Voss-like controversy here, it seems, as the photo's tones do match those of the underside blue applied to Fokker triplanes and not the dark associated with yellow-painted parts. Still, I'd like to hear what others think . . . Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 20:01:55 -0400 From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Not WWI stuff was (RE: Yo! Stepehen...) Message-ID: <960428200155_480202196@emout07.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 96-04-27 22:45:17 EDT, you write: >Do you know what the store's new address is going to be? When are they going >to re-open in the new location? I'm going to be in the Emerald City on >Tuesday and am contemplating my usual stop at American Eagles. Glad I >caught your message, it saved me a wasted trip into Ballard (well, no trip >into Ballard will ever be a waste as long as Redhook is still there!). Kind >of sad to see the old place go, though. But hey, at least they're not >moving to <<<>>> (sound of major hurling, at the thought of >it....). Actually, being an old timer, I remember visiting the store on 15th, and Greenwood and another street whose name I can't recall. The store had moved 3 times before it settled in its last location in Ballard. I have many fond memories of bothering Mike for hours on end whil wandering around the shelves. All those WWI aircraft kits and the old Mark I tank in the plastic bags for 75 cents. I bought many just for the conversion potential. I think I turned the Mark I tank in to at least four or five different vehicles. I also bought the old Modakit (?) A7V two pack for around a dollar. I still have one unbuilt, patiently waiting its turn (for 23 years) on the shelf. Actually, Lake City will be closer when I visit my parents in Kirkland. I never miss making the pilgrimage to American eagles whenever I'm in town. Glen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 20:02:04 -0400 From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Emden Message-ID: <960428200203_480202268@emout15.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 96-04-28 10:07:29 EDT, you write: > >Anyone else building or thinking about building Revell of Germany's 1/350 >Emden? > >Revell should be commended on picking a standard scale for the kit. >Granted, there isn't a glut of 1/350 World War One ships on the market yet, >but there are a lot of WWII and later 1/350 kits. Yes Ken, I am preparing to get ready to start thinking about building the Emden. I really like the naval vessels from this period but there are so few on the ground that can be had for a reasonable sum. I have heard that there are some in resin but they are usually way to expensive for my tastes. Hopefully Revell will realize a handsome profit and come out with something else from that period. I would love to hear from anyone who has built or is building the kit. Glen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 20:02:06 -0400 From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: WWI Tank Colors Message-ID: <960428200205_480202296@emout17.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 96-04-25 21:38:00 EDT, you write: > >Talked to David Fletcher at The Tank Museum in Bovington, UK, and he thought >the primary color (after the early fancy camo era) was a light brown with a >hint of yellow. He bases his thoughts on a model of a Mk VIII by the same >factory that made the tanks, in its original paint. Their attempts to match >the shade has failed, so don't trust their tank colors in the museum. >The khaki brown was probably used on artillery, etc, also. In the end he >pointed out that the paint was pretty well covered by mud falling of the >tracks overhead anyway, so any light mud brown would suffice. > >Gee, I'm wrong again.... What a pain. I lost a beer to this one. By the >way, US tanks coming from the UK probably had the same brown paint. Heaven >knows what we painted the ones from the States. > I would be interested in finding some info on tank colors in the US from this period. I have seen some old pictures with the four tone camo schemes. Since the Mark VIII's built in the ststes were all built in 1919 and after, the only vehicles that would have been completed during the war years would ahve been Renaults. After the war the US Six Ton Tank M1917 and M1917A1 *apparently* were paintd in a shade of Quartermaster Olive Drab. My guess would be that American tanks were in the OD green shade (not quite the same as the WW II shade and much lighter than modern OD) Any thoughts? Glen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 12:42:37 +1000 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: List addicts anonymous Message-ID: Shane, > Just a brief note that I'll be absent (in Melbourne) for the next week, > so any rude remarks (Mick), Shame! A gentleman is *never* rude........even about Melbourne 80) Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 00:53:58 -0400 From: "S.M. Head" To: wwi Subject: Re: Lohner "L" Drawings? Message-ID: <9604282343.aa02642@mail.iapc.net> Alberto wrote: >If you want a photocopy of the (Lohner) cabin drawings, please let me know, >and give >me your fax number and I will fax them tomorrow. Include your country code , >I live in Venezuela. > >By the way this is my first message in the Mailing List, Hello everybody . > >Alberto Hi Alberto, I would love to get the faxed pictures, but since I do no international faxing, I don't know my country code (pretty sad, eh?) I live in the USA. If you happen to know the code, my fax number is 713-523-5177. Thank you ! Scott Head ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 22:32:47 -0700 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: FI/Dr I Color Schemes Message-ID: <199604290532.AA25748@ednet1.orednet.org> I previous wrote: -snips- > >Well, I visited the library today and happened to crack open a book >I'd read before but didn't have in my personal library and, 'lo and >behold, there is yet another photo of Voss's F.1 103/17 taken from >the front starboard side with what appears to be a clear 'stripe' >in front of the white cross surround. Arggh! Where did this come >from? - I had thought I had -all- the existent photos of 103/17 >in one or another of the volumes in my personal library. -snips- OK, the photo I'm looking is on page 48 of a 'coffee table' type book entitled 'Great Fighter Aircraft', by Green and Swanborough, Crescent Books, 1981 and shows a 3/4 front starboard view of the triplane with the engine on, apparently 'warming up' or taxiing. There are 3 groundcrew in the photo, one steadying the starboard wingtip, one on the right side by the horizontal tail, and one barely visible on the port side, just aft of the cockpit. The darn photo is so small I can't tell anything for sure. Can any one recognize this photo and recommend me to a publication which might have it printed a little larger? The photo is not credited beyond 'all photos in this book were supplied by Pilot Press, Ltd.' There -may- actually be even a better mystery here than whether or not Voss's tripe had yellow stripes or not. :-) Cheers, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org -or- aw177@Freenet.Carleton.ca - -"These days the buck stops nowhere." Don Henley - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 22:51:17 From: GRydquist@gnn.com (Gregory Rydquist) To: cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu, wwi Subject: Re: Jans-Joachim von Hippel and Albatri Message-ID: <199604290549.BAA16708@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com> >Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 15:02:09 -0400 >From: cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) >Sender: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: Jans-Joachim von Hippel and Albatri > snip> RE: the "mystery" of the identity of STROPP's >pilot. Cross & Cockade Journal, Vol 23 #3, Autumn 1982, Pag3 276 says the pilot's identity was still a mystery. The article cited Vol 21 #3 Autumn 1980 page 285 "Stropp is low German dialect or nautical terminology for a loop or sling made of rope, chain or wire. It is also a joking term for good-for-nothing or rascal, and was also a childhood term for a 'Cheerful, droll, roguish, chubby smiling little boy'. There doesn't seem to be any family name or town called 'Stropp' Greg > Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 06:46:11 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: wwi Subject: Re: Lohner "L" Drawings? Message-ID: <199604290650.GAA15115@cso.com> On 28 Apr 96 at 10:00, Alberto Rada typed diligantly: > By the way this is my first message in the Mailing List, Hello everybody . Welcome! It's great to have a new member. And one with such a library is to be commended!! Matt -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Matthew Bittner O- WW1 Modeler, ecto subscriber meba@cso.com PowerBuilder developer; Omaha, Nebraska Loreena McKennitt; Jewel; suddenly, tammy!; jehova waitresses Disclaimer: opinions expressed by me are mine, mine, mine! "Some people can tell what time it is by looking at the sun. But I have never been able to make out the numbers." - Anonymous -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 06:55:44 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: WW1 Modelers Subject: Mike Dunlop and VVS Models Message-ID: <199604290700.HAA15172@cso.com> Well, I received a reply back from Mike Dunlop about the VVS Models as mentioned in FSM May, '96. Basically, he said that he's not associated with VVS Models at all, and the only contact with him they've had was a letter 7 months ago. So, if you're interested in those models put out by VVS Models, don't order from Mike Dunlop - yet. He's still waiting, especially since they sent that Update to FSM, so all may not be lost yet. Matt -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Matthew Bittner O- WW1 Modeler, ecto subscriber meba@cso.com PowerBuilder developer; Omaha, Nebraska Loreena McKennitt; Jewel; suddenly, tammy!; jehova waitresses Disclaimer: opinions expressed by me are mine, mine, mine! "You cannot make anything foolproof, because the fools are so ingenious." - Christian Walters -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 07:30:10 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: WW1 Modelers Subject: Austrian books Message-ID: <199604290734.HAA15607@cso.com> In adding some items to my publication database, I came across some forgotten books. As the subject says, they're from an Austrian group, and they're known (or titled) as "OFH nachrichten sonderheft". I only have three, but am interested in more. I originally purchased mine from Articles of War, but I haven't seen them advertised there for awhile. And for those who haven't seen them, they're completely "auf Deutsch" (that's "in German" for you English types ;-)). Anybody know where they can be purchased from? They're really handy books, and the one on the H-B C.I especially useful. And for you "larger scale" freaks, their drawings are all in 1/48th. Matt -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Matthew Bittner O- WW1 Modeler, ecto subscriber meba@cso.com PowerBuilder developer; Omaha, Nebraska Loreena McKennitt; Jewel; suddenly, tammy!; jehova waitresses Disclaimer: opinions expressed by me are mine, mine, mine! "some people without brains do an awful lot of talking, don't they?" - the Scarecrow in Wizard of Oz -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 07:35:42 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: WW1 Modelers Subject: Austrian books revisited Message-ID: <199604290739.HAA15668@cso.com> Hmm..intriquing. Again, while going through the OFH Nachrichten's, I came across references to a Hansa Brandenburg G.I. Can anybody provide more light on this? TIA! Matt -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Matthew Bittner O- WW1 Modeler, ecto subscriber meba@cso.com PowerBuilder developer; Omaha, Nebraska Loreena McKennitt; Jewel; suddenly, tammy!; jehova waitresses Disclaimer: opinions expressed by me are mine, mine, mine! "I am Catwoman, hear me roar." - Catwoman, Batman Returns -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 96 08:00:25 PST From: stonto@seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu To: wwi Subject: Re[2]: Not WWI stuff was (RE: Yo! Stepehen...) Message-ID: <9603298307.AA830790063@SCCCGATE.seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu> > I will go today to sort of say good-bye to an era. I'll miss > the store there. The new American Eagles will be in Lake > City --- a little off the path for me (no car) --- so I Do you know what the store's new address is going to be? When are they going to re-open in the new location? I'm going to be in the Emerald City on Tuesday and am contemplating my usual stop at American Eagles. Glad I Its 125__ Lake City Way NE. So call it 125th and Lake City. I talked to George (VP? runs the joint), and he said that the phone number will be the same (206)782-8448. It will open with a big sale on May 6. I guess the store that was there before was a Fabric Land -- those tend to be pretty big. So I may have to visit there. ----Stephen Tontoni ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 96 11:51:33 EDT From: cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) To: wwi Subject: Re: Austrian books revisited Message-ID: <199604291551.LAA00691@conted.swann.gatech.edu> Matt, According to "Austro-Hungarian Aircraft of World War One," the Brandenburg G.I was a twin-engined bomber, not very successful. Only 39 were ordered, and only one bombing mission was undertaken. It was at the front from 12/16 to 5/17 and then placed in storage. Some were refurbished in 1918 and used as trainers for future Gotha G.IV crews. A couple were used for searchlight and cannon tests. Specs: Engines 2x160 hp Daimler Span 18 meters Length 9.8 meters Max speed 144 km/hr Climb 1000 meters/ 8 min Armament: 2 mg 5 50kg bombs 4 20kg bombs I hope this helps. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 12:36:43 -0400 From: MShan15048@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Jans-Joachim von Hippel and Albatri Message-ID: <960429123642_102732555@emout13.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 96-04-28 Carlos Valdes writes, diligently: > Two Abatros sources that are available are the Squadron "In >Action" title and the Abatros Fighters Special put out by Albatros >Publications in England (also responsible for Windsock magazine). They >are both quite useful, as are the Datafiles on the D.II (out of print >but due to be reprinted soon), D.III, and D.V. These are available from >the publisher as well as from some sources in the States. My sources tell me that the Squadron/Signal "Albatross Fighters in Action" is currently not in print. I hope that will be remedied, since there's now a good kit out and there seems to be a revitalization of WWI subjects in general. (It's now such ancient history it's quaint -- like Napoleonics and American Civil War??) I can't find the Datafiles in question, but will keep searching. Charles, in Colorado, also wrote: > The Smithsonian book is an excellent reference for Albatros D-V >machines and is good reading in general. It is still in print and is >available from Zenith books among other vendors. The Windsock Datafile >Special on the Albatros fighters is a good reference covering the D-I >through D-Va fighter types. Now if only there was a similar reference on >Albatros TWO-seaters !! There are also the individual Windsock Datafiles >on the D-II, D-III and D-V, although there is overlap in the photos used >between these individual datafiles and the datafile special volume. A big Thank You to both of you, and I will keep looking. Incidentally, Charles prefaced his with: >An individual who didn't sign their message wrote: Sorry for not signing. I'm new in the group, myself, and wasn't one-hundred percent sure of protocols, as well as being absent minded, a poor typist, and usually in a hurry. However, for those who do care about such amenities, my appologies and a self-introduction: MShan15048@AOL.COM is Mark Shannon, a great guy and avid modeller of many subjects. I'm glad to have found the mail list, and look forward to a lot of discussions. -Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 11:16:10 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Albatrai book sources Message-ID: Mark Shannon has written: > >My sources tell me that the Squadron/Signal "Albatross Fighters in Action" is >currently not in print. I hope that will be remedied, since there's now a >good kit out and there seems to be a revitalization of WWI subjects in >general. (It's now such ancient history it's quaint -- like Napoleonics and >American Civil War??) I can't find the Datafiles in question, but will keep >searching. > I forgot to add that I thought the Squadron book is out of print. Several other volumes in this series have been re-published, so there is hope. >Charles, in Colorado, also wrote: > >> The Smithsonian book is an excellent reference for Albatros D-V >>machines and is good reading in general. It is still in print and is >>available from Zenith books among other vendors. The Windsock Datafile >>Special on the Albatros fighters is a good reference covering the D-I >>through D-Va fighter types. Now if only there was a similar reference on >>Albatros TWO-seaters !! There are also the individual Windsock Datafiles >>on the D-II, D-III and D-V, although there is overlap in the photos used >>between these individual datafiles and the datafile special volume. > >A big Thank You to both of you, and I will keep looking. > The best source for Windsock Datafiles is probably to order them directly from Albatros publications, the address is: Albatros Publications Ltd. 10 Long View Berkhamsted Herts HP4 1BY UNITED KINGDOM He will accept personal checks written for the order amount (provided you allow for current exchange rates) and also pay an extra 3.00 pounds for bank charges ( about US$4.50 with today's exchange rate). If you need to know an up to date currency exchange rate surf on over to: http://cnnfn.com/markets/currencies.html This is a handy site for your book marks list. >Incidentally, Charles prefaced his with: >>An individual who didn't sign their message wrote: > >Sorry for not signing. I'm new in the group, myself, and wasn't one-hundred >percent sure of protocols, as well as being absent minded, a poor typist, and >usually in a hurry. >However, for those who do care about such amenities, my appologies and a >self-introduction: No worries, it is useful to know who is writing a post, though. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 14:22:49 -0400 From: Mathoo@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Size of new and improved American Eagles. Message-ID: <960429142249_524301556@emout07.mail.aol.com> I dorve by the new location at 12537 Lake City Way and indeed the store is big! Better still is the fact that one can park in back of the store for FREE! I will be ther on May 6 with $ in hand. See you there Stephen? Matthew Burchette ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 111 *********************