WWI Digest 107 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Pegasus Alb. D-III (Oef) by Brian Nicklas 2) Re: Re[2]: First Model by gspring@ix.netcom.com (Greg Springer ) 3) Re: Fwd: RIchthofen's Reds by NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) 4) RE: FYI by SDW@qld.mim.com.au 5) RE: Fwd: RIchthofen's Reds by SDW@qld.mim.com.au 6) RE: Fwd: RIchthofen's Reds by cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) 7) RE: Fwd: RIchthofen's Reds by SDW@qld.mim.com.au 8) Kudos to Hustad Silbergrau by bciciora@wwa.com 9) Re: Eduard Albatross D.V by DavidL1217@aol.com 10) Re: Montreal and WWI by DavidL1217@aol.com 11) Re: HELLER Roland by DavidL1217@aol.com 12) Re: Fwd: FI/Dr I Color Schemes by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 13) Re: Fwd: RIchthofen's Reds by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 14) Re: Re[2]: First Model by lothar@ncw.net (mark) 15) Re: Re[2]: First Model by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 16) AEQ query by "Matt Bittner" 17) Re: RE: Fwd: RIchthofen's Reds by NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) 18) Re: RE: Fwd: RIchthofen's Reds by NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) 19) Re: Montreal and WWI by aew (Allan Wright) 20) WW1 Armour for sale... by "Joseph R. Boeke" 21) Re: RE: Fwd: RIchthofen's Reds by "Carlos Valdes" 22) Re: Re[2]: First Model by "Randy J. Ray" 23) Re: Re[2]: First Model by MShan15048@aol.com 24) Re: RIchthofen's Reds by MShan15048@aol.com 25) Administrivia by aew (Allan Wright) 26) Re: Montreal and WWI by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 27) RE: FYI by gspring@ix.netcom.com (Greg Springer ) 28) Re: Montreal and WWI by "Joseph R. Boeke" 29) Secrecy and airplanes by Brian Nicklas 30) Re: Montreal and WWI by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 31) Re: Montreal and WWI by "Matt Bittner" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Apr 96 17:49:00 EDT From: Brian Nicklas To: Subject: Pegasus Alb. D-III (Oef) Message-ID: <199604242147.RAA02532@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Just got my order from Pegasus of the Albatros D-III (Oef) and four-color lozenge and German Naval lozenge. WOW! Did not realize that the D-III has parts to build the D-III 53, 153 and 253 series, plus 253 winter cowling. Great stuff! And the lozenge is great, (one sheet is off register though) and the naval lozenge looks esp. good. First things first, I'll finish what I'm doing, then a 253 in Blue Rider Sworl camoflage decal all over it!!! Model came in a pouch, box flat with decals and bag o' parts on top. Padded pouch worked, nothing missing, bent or broken. Just pop open the box, insert bag, and stick on my shelf. Cheers! Brian Nicklas ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 15:29:27 -0700 From: gspring@ix.netcom.com (Greg Springer ) To: wwi Subject: Re: Re[2]: First Model Message-ID: <199604242229.PAA26307@dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com> Hi Matt! You wrote: > ... from a burning river to a shining part on Lake Erie. A shining private part no doubt! Hee, hee! Just kidding. As I have never been there I can make no judgement on yon fair city nor it's citizens except for one Howard Metzenbaum, former holder of the title 'The Most Intellectually Dishonest Man in the United States Senate'. My mom was from a rather more hideous part of Ohio - Meigs County. Cheers! Greg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 18:54:39, -0500 From: NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) To: wwi Subject: Re: Fwd: RIchthofen's Reds Message-ID: <199604242254.SAA15876@mime3.prodigy.com> Anyone have access to the Scale Aircraft Modelling MvR article and a xerox machine? Desperately seeking a copy... Ken Hagerup ------------------------------ Date: 25 Apr 96 10:16:00 EDT From: SDW@qld.mim.com.au To: wwi%pease1.sr.unh.edu@teksup.mim.com.au Cc: wwi%pease1.sr.unh.edu@teksup.mim.com.au Subject: RE: FYI Message-ID: <199604250038.KAA21983@mimmon.mim.com.au> Mick, You dozy blighter ! > Don't try to contact us Aussies to-morrow: it's *Anzac >Day*.....so we'll all be having a holiday [i.e. the 25th]. After rising at 3:30am for a gunfire breakfast and a wet dawn service, here I am at work as usual. Maybe I can get some of this computer stuff to work properly after starting the day with a skinfull of Bundy ;-) Shane ------------------------------ Date: 25 Apr 96 10:13:00 EDT From: SDW@qld.mim.com.au To: wwi%pease1.sr.unh.edu@teksup.mim.com.au Cc: wwi%pease1.sr.unh.edu@teksup.mim.com.au Subject: RE: Fwd: RIchthofen's Reds Message-ID: <199604250038.KAA21981@mimmon.mim.com.au> Ken, You asked: >Anyone have access to the Scale Aircraft Modelling MvR article and a xerox >machine? Desperately seeking a copy... If you can wait for it to come from down under - it's yours. Just email me an address for the snail. Regards Shane sdw@qld.mim.com.au ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Apr 96 21:17:59 EDT From: cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) To: wwi Subject: RE: Fwd: RIchthofen's Reds Message-ID: <199604250118.VAA23381@conted.swann.gatech.edu> Shane, Would it be too much to ask you to make two copies of the article? I'll be glad to recopy it for anyone else in the States who might need after I get it so as to spare you any further international postage (the copying equivalent of a hand-off in American football, or is it a chain letter?). Carlos ------------------------------ Date: 25 Apr 96 11:39:00 EDT From: SDW@qld.mim.com.au To: wwi%pease1.sr.unh.edu@teksup.mim.com.au Subject: RE: Fwd: RIchthofen's Reds Message-ID: <199604250201.MAA24789@mimmon.mim.com.au> Carlos, You have it. Send me your address ! Shane ---------- From: wwi@MIMHOLD{MHS:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu} Sent: Thursday, 25 April 1996 11:26 To: wwi@MIMHOLD (Multiple recipients of list){MHS:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu}; sdw Subject: RE: Fwd: RIchthofen's Reds Shane, Would it be too much to ask you to make two copies of the article? I'll be glad to recopy it for anyone else in the States who might need after I get it so as to spare you any further international postage (the copying equivalent of a hand-off in American football, or is it a chain letter?). Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Apr 96 21:10 CDT From: bciciora@wwa.com To: wwi Subject: Kudos to Hustad Silbergrau Message-ID: Just wanted to let the list know how much I appreciate Steve's recipe for Pfalz Silbergrau from a couple weeks ago. Mixed to specifications, thinned 50/50, applied with airbrush. My Glencoe Pfalz D.III looks great! So, from a 1/48er, thanks again Steve. Bill Ciciora ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 22:17:36 -0400 From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Eduard Albatross D.V Message-ID: <960424221736_521430369@emout16.mail.aol.com> That was my message. When it gets forwarded, my name gets left off. (Probably to protect my family.) Is the plural of Blitz 'Blitzen'? David Layton ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 22:34:24 -0400 From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Montreal and WWI Message-ID: <960424223422_521444915@emout12.mail.aol.com> Go to Lake Brome (or Lac du Brome if you're Quebequois PC). There you will find the most original Fokker DVII OAW. (Actually, it was made from parts from the six reparations aircraft. However, almost totally original and never flown.) If you go before May 15, you may need to talk your way in as it is before tourist season like I did but it's a must. Lake Brome is roughly halfway between Montreal and Vermont, 'bout an hour and half ride. My wife did put up with this. In fact, she pointed out the DVII fuselage frame to my at Rockcliffe two days later. What a sport! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 23:00:33 -0400 From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: HELLER Roland Message-ID: <960424230032_521466500@emout17.mail.aol.com> Airfix and Heller are both part of the Humbrol empire. So there is some obvious swapping of issues! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 22:55:51 -0700 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Fwd: FI/Dr I Color Schemes Message-ID: <199604250555.AA16326@ednet1.orednet.org> MShan15048 wrote: >Forwarded message: >Subj: RE: FI/Dr I Color Schemes >Date: 96-04-23 14:16:00 EDT >From: MShan15048 >To: AEW@unh.edu > >If a new voice might pop into the discussion. > >I have only found three photos that clearly show the fuselage of FI 103/17, >two on the occasion of Crown Prince Carl's August 1917 visit to Jasta 10. In >all three photos, the fuselage of the plane looks washed out or lighter in >tone than the nose area and visible portions of the wings. Two photos, one >clearly showing the FI 103/17 serial, both show a darker streaked band >immediately behind the white fuselage cross surround, then a much more >faintly streaked fuselage aft of that. In addition, the cross background is >rather streaky forward of the actual cross in the photo with the serial >clearly showing. > I wouldn't read too much into the 'darker streaked band immediately behind the white fuselage cross surround' - it seems to be a moderately commom artifact both fore and aft of the cross surround on many early Fokker tripes. MvR and Wolfe's 102/17, MvR's 152/17, and Gontermann's 115/17 seem to display a similar 'streak' immediately in front of the surround while 213/17 and Baeumer's tripe (s/n unk) seem to display one immediately aft. I suspect it's an artifact of the painting process - the painters would tend to go a little slower around the white surround (so as not to slop olive paint over the white) and thus the olive dope would be applied a little heavier, giving the effect of a 'streak'. Your other points are interesting and I'll have to do a little research. The possibility that Voss had started some sort of personal markings is interesting. I've seen a couple of suggestions that MvR's 102/17 actually had been personalized with a red rear fuselage and at least one photo seems to support this. If MvR could do it, why not Voss? Cheers, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org -or- aw177@Freenet.Carleton.ca - -"These days the buck stops nowhere." Don Henley - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 22:58:37 -0700 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Fwd: RIchthofen's Reds Message-ID: <199604250558.AA17643@ednet1.orednet.org> Ken Hagerup wrote: > >Anyone have access to the Scale Aircraft Modelling MvR article and a xerox >machine? Desperately seeking a copy... > I have the Spring '88 issue of Windsock with similar information on MvR's aircraft if anyone is interested in that 'un. Cheers, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org -or- aw177@Freenet.Carleton.ca - -"These days the buck stops nowhere." Don Henley - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 00:29:30 -0700 From: lothar@ncw.net (mark) To: wwi Subject: Re: Re[2]: First Model Message-ID: <199604250729.AAA01588@bing.ncw.net> On 04/24, Matt stated: >Not Omaha, but Cleveland. And the jehova waitresses is a band that >has close friends in it. Not only a great band, but the best band >name I know of! Too bad the name's already taken. I was just about ready to suggest it to a professional musician that I work with who is looking for a name for his new band. It does conjure up interesting images ("you want fries with your Watchtower?").... Ok, back to some WWI content...The memories a bit hazy, but I <> my first foray into the wonderful world of plastic was a DrI, molded in red - it struck me even at that time as being awfully small, so it must have been in the Munchkin Scale. I was maybe five at the time, and am proud to say that in the 28 years since I have <> built another red triplane. OTOH, I did build a Bf109 in 1974...in revealing this, I'm assuming the statute of limitations has already passed, so it's OK now.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 00:44:25 -0700 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Re[2]: First Model Message-ID: <199604250744.AA14402@ednet1.orednet.org> > >On 04/24, Mark stated: -snips- > >OTOH, I did build a Bf109 in 1974...in revealing this, I'm assuming the >statute of limitations has already passed, so it's OK now.... > I don't think the statute of limitations -ever- passes on Bf109's! It's kinda like original sin. But, build 3 Glencoe Albatroses (Albatri??) and 5 Airfix triplanes, my son, and you -will- be forgiven! (Forgive me, father, for I have sinned and once built an airplane -without- a propeller!) :-) Cheers, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org -or- aw177@Freenet.Carleton.ca - -"These days the buck stops nowhere." Don Henley - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 07:02:31 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: WW1 Modelers Subject: AEQ query Message-ID: <199604250706.HAA04616@cso.com> Although I'm probably pushing my luck, anybody have an extra Air Enthusiast Quarterly #11 they're willing to offload? I've already had the articles I need photocopied, so I don't need to go that route. TIA! Matt -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Matthew Bittner O- WW1 Modeler, ecto subscriber meba@cso.com PowerBuilder developer; Omaha, Nebraska Loreena McKennitt; Jewel; suddenly, tammy!; jehova waitresses Disclaimer: opinions expressed by me are mine, mine, mine! "We devour those who would subdue us." - Morticia Addams, Addams Family Values -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 08:41:58, -0500 From: NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) To: wwi Subject: Re: RE: Fwd: RIchthofen's Reds Message-ID: <199604251241.IAA19768@mime3.prodigy.com> Shane graciously wrote< >If you can wait for it to come from down under - it's yours. >Just email me an address for the snail. Muchas gracias! Ken Hagerup 11419 South 43rd Ave Omaha, NE 68123 USA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 08:42:03, -0500 From: NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) To: wwi Subject: Re: RE: Fwd: RIchthofen's Reds Message-ID: <199604251242.IAA20290@mime3.prodigy.com> Carlos wrote, >Would it be too much to ask you to make two copies of the >article? I'll be glad to recopy it for anyone else in the States who >might need after I get it so as to spare you any further international >postage (the copying equivalent of a hand-off in American football, or >is it a chain letter?) Send me your address and I'll pass along a copy. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 08:45:55 -0400 (EDT) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Re: Montreal and WWI Message-ID: <199604251245.IAA06020@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > Go to Lake Brome (or Lac du Brome if you're Quebequois PC). There you will > find the most original Fokker DVII OAW. (Actually, it was made from parts > from the six reparations aircraft. However, almost totally original and > never flown.) If you go before May 15, you may need to talk your way in as > it is before tourist season like I did but it's a must. Lake Brome is > roughly halfway between Montreal and Vermont, 'bout an hour and half ride. > My wife did put up with this. In fact, she pointed out the DVII fuselage > frame to my at Rockcliffe two days later. What a sport! I'll check the map - if this isn't too far out of the way I might be able to swing it. -Al ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 11:09:07 -0400 From: "Joseph R. Boeke" To: " List, WWI Modelers" Subject: WW1 Armour for sale... Message-ID: <9604251506.AA22058@coral.bucknell.edu> An aquaintenace of mine is looking to sell a couple of WWI 1/35 tanks. He has the MB Models Mk IV and Renault. He would like to get $100 for both of them as a lot (the kits are multi-media white metal/photo-etch and resin). If any one is interested please let me know, and I will get you in touch with him. - Joe +=================================+====================================+ | Joseph R. Boeke | Knowledge will forever govern | | Manager, Prospect Information | ignorance; and a people who mean | | Bucknell University | to be their own governors must arm | | (717) 524-3200 | themselves with the power which | | (717) 524-3610 (fax) | knowledge gives. | | boeke@bucknell.edu | -- James Madison | +=================================+====================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 96 10:41:53 EST From: "Carlos Valdes" To: wwi Subject: Re: RE: Fwd: RIchthofen's Reds Message-ID: <38515.carlos.valdes@conted.gatech.edu> Shane, Ken, and Doug, Since Ken was gracious enough to offer to copy the article for me when he gets it, it won't be neceassry for Shane to make a separate copy for me (Shane, thanks for the offer!). Doug, I'll keep the chain going by making a copy for you--just send me your address. In the meantime, here's my mailing info: Carlos Valdes 2186 Ellwyn Dr. Chamblee, GA 30341 USA Thanks to everyone involved in this international transaction (may it be a model of its kind--no pun intended!). Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 10:19:31 -0600 From: "Randy J. Ray" To: wwi Subject: Re: Re[2]: First Model Message-ID: I've been avoiding this thread, because I have you all beat in terms of complete social unacceptability, vis a vis one's first model. I was only 4, but I remember it so well... By age of 4 I had disassembled the telephone twice, but was not so adept at re-assembling it. That was a shame because I was honestly more interested in putting things together than taking them apart (unusual for a 4-year-old). So my parents bought me my first model, and then my first model cement as they had mistakenly assumed that the model was a snap-fit. The kit: The Flintstones Family Car, from the cartoon series. With moving wheels. Randy -- ^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^ Randy J. Ray -- U S WEST Technologies IAD/CSS/DPDS Phone: (303)595-2869 Denver, CO rjray@uswest.com I don't suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 13:43:07 -0400 From: MShan15048@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Re[2]: First Model Message-ID: <960425134305_100307370@emout15.mail.aol.com> Just to establish my credentials, I, too, do not suffer from, but enjoy my insanity and modelling. The first model I remember building was the old Aurora "Jenny" when I was 5 (birthday present). The family story is that my father went on a business trip when I was about 1.5 yrs and brought presents for my brother (5) and me. Mine was a rubber ball, his was a Douglas DC-3 model. My father assembled the model, hung it in my brother's bedroom, and returned from work the next day to find me standing in my brother's room, looking back and forth between the model and the rubber ball that I had dropped on the floor with an expression that indicated I was checking net worth. My brother never liked models and loves sports. I've never quit making models and have trouble hitting a baseball. Who says interests don't develope young! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 13:44:41 -0400 From: MShan15048@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: RIchthofen's Reds Message-ID: <960425134441_100308291@emout10.mail.aol.com> Actually, If I knew the interest it would have sparked.... I have the article in question. Others interested can let me know and we can get the chain going here. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 13:58:38 -0400 (EDT) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Administrivia Message-ID: <199604251758.NAA07924@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Hello all, The list will be running by itself for the next 5 days while I take some well needed R&R in Montreal. Play nice while I'm gone! -Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | Rodents of unusual size? I don't think they exist. University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 12:33:17 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: Montreal and WWI Message-ID: >> Go to Lake Brome (or Lac du Brome if you're Quebequois PC). There you will >> find the most original Fokker DVII OAW. (Actually, it was made from parts >> from the six reparations aircraft. However, almost totally original and >> never flown.) If you go before May 15, you may need to talk your way in as >> it is before tourist season like I did but it's a must. Lake Brome is >> roughly halfway between Montreal and Vermont, 'bout an hour and half ride. >> My wife did put up with this. In fact, she pointed out the DVII fuselage >> frame to my at Rockcliffe two days later. What a sport! > >I'll check the map - if this isn't too far out of the way I might be >able to swing it. > >-Al Some additional information might be handy here. The D-VII in question is housed in the Broome County Historical Society (Museum ?) in the town of Knowlton. How far this is from Lac du Brome is unknown to me, I hope to make it there myself one day. It might be helpful to drag along a copy or two of Windsock, Cross & Cockade or WW I Aero to show that you are seriously interested in their aircraft. Reportedly it is jealously guarded by the society and photography is discouraged. I've seen numerous published photos of this machine, not a single one of them is in color. Having a color image of this machine on the Web page would be a real accomplishment. Enjoy your trip Al. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 11:30:45 -0700 From: gspring@ix.netcom.com (Greg Springer ) To: wwi Subject: RE: FYI Message-ID: <199604251830.LAA16616@dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com> Hi Shane! You wrote: > > >Mick, > >You dozy blighter ! > >> Don't try to contact us Aussies to-morrow: it's *Anzac >>Day*.....so we'll all be having a holiday [i.e. the 25th]. > >After rising at 3:30am for a gunfire breakfast and a wet dawn service, >here I am at work as usual. Maybe I can get some of this computer stuff >to work properly after starting the day with a skinfull of Bundy ;-) > >Shane > Please to be explaining 'gunfire breakfast'and 'Bundy'. I know what a cavalryman's breakfast is: A good puke and a cigar. Bundy was a nasty mass murderer in the States a few years ago. Cheers! Greg (A noted producer of calcium oxalate.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 14:43:00 -0400 From: "Joseph R. Boeke" To: wwi Subject: Re: Montreal and WWI Message-ID: <9604251840.AA03463@coral.bucknell.edu> At 02:16 PM 4/25/96 -0400, Charles Hart wrote: > Some additional information might be handy here. The D-VII in >question is housed in the Broome County Historical Society (Museum ?) in >the town of Knowlton. How far this is from Lac du Brome is unknown to me, >I hope to make it there myself one day. It might be helpful to drag along >a copy or two of Windsock, Cross & Cockade or WW I Aero to show that you >are seriously interested in their aircraft. Reportedly it is jealously >guarded by the society and photography is discouraged. I've seen numerous >published photos of this machine, not a single one of them is in color. >Having a color image of this machine on the Web page would be a real >accomplishment. I am probably missing something very basic here, but why would there be a D.VII in the possesion of the Broome County Historical Society? Second stupid question is, why are they so jealously guarding it from the eyes of enthusiasts/potential donors to their organization? Enquiring minds have to know... - Joe +=================================+====================================+ | Joseph R. Boeke | Knowledge will forever govern | | Manager, Prospect Information | ignorance; and a people who mean | | Bucknell University | to be their own governors must arm | | (717) 524-3200 | themselves with the power which | | (717) 524-3610 (fax) | knowledge gives. | | boeke@bucknell.edu | -- James Madison | +=================================+====================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 96 14:49:22 EDT From: Brian Nicklas To: Subject: Secrecy and airplanes Message-ID: <199604251847.OAA08284@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Maybe the historical society has caught the bug of others: If it is popular, it is therefore valuable. If it is valuable, we can't let you see it. And ANYTHING with an airplane is valuable, esp. the mass-produced lithographs that some resell (or try) for big money, when in many cases the originator will still give the item to you free! (No, I don't mean lithos of Albatros D.IIIs.) Brian (my opinions only) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 13:15:05 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: Montreal and WWI Message-ID: >At 02:16 PM 4/25/96 -0400, Charles Hart wrote: > >> Some additional information might be handy here. The D-VII in >>question is housed in the Broome County Historical Society (Museum ?) in >>the town of Knowlton. How far this is from Lac du Brome is unknown to me, >>I hope to make it there myself one day. It might be helpful to drag along >>a copy or two of Windsock, Cross & Cockade or WW I Aero to show that you >>are seriously interested in their aircraft. Reportedly it is jealously >>guarded by the society and photography is discouraged. I've seen numerous >>published photos of this machine, not a single one of them is in color. >>Having a color image of this machine on the Web page would be a real >>accomplishment. > and Joe Boeke asks: >I am probably missing something very basic here, but why would there be a >D.VII in the possesion of the Broome County Historical Society? Second >stupid question is, why are they so jealously guarding it from the eyes of >enthusiasts/potential donors to their organization? > Supposedly, the Knowlton aircraft was one of many captured machines brought to Canada after the war and is the only apparent survivor. The story has it that it came to the historical society as a gift of a member of the Canadian Parliament in the 1920's and its been there ever since. Mind you this is a nearly original airframe. Very little in the way of restoration has been performed on it since 1918, making this one of the most original airframes from that era. As to the attitude of the owners of this artifact, its anybody's guess. Al should ask them. On a related topic, there is a color photo in a recent Air Enthusiast Quarterly of a new replica Fokker D-VII just completed for the USAF Museum in Dayton. This replica has original instruments and Mercedes engine. It features cowling panels in the pattern of OAW built machines in order that the application of replica 5-color lozenge fabric from the Museum fuer Verkehr und Teknik in Berlin would be correct. I forget the jasta markings it is painted in , but they are spectacular. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 14:08:25 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: wwi Subject: Re: Montreal and WWI Message-ID: <199604251412.OAA11621@cso.com> On 25 Apr 96 at 14:58, Charles Hart typed diligantly: > On a related topic, there is a color photo in a recent Air Enthusiast > Quarterly of a new replica Fokker D-VII just completed for the USAF Museum > in Dayton. This replica has original instruments and Mercedes engine. It > features cowling panels in the pattern of OAW built machines in order that > the application of replica 5-color lozenge fabric from the Museum fuer > Verkehr und Teknik in Berlin would be correct. I forget the jasta markings > it is painted in , but they are spectacular. Isn't this same aircraft on the inside front cover of the latest Windsock? Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 107 *********************