WWI Digest 105 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Misc. by Brian Nicklas 2) RE:Misc. by "Carlos Valdes" 3) Re: Montreal and WWI by Erik Pilawskii 4) Re: First Model by The Flying Wrench 5) Re: Paper airplanes? by twhitley@mn.uswest.net (Tim Whitley) 6) Re: First Model by Mick Fauchon 7) Re: Old Fokker EIII Model by Mick Fauchon 8) Re: Montreal and WWI by ci010@freenet.carleton.ca (Jim MacKenzie) 9) Re: First Model by "Matt Bittner" 10) Re: Montreal and WWI by aew (Allan Wright) 11) Re[2]: First Model by SHUSTAD@email.usps.gov 12) Re: Re[2]: First Model by "Matt Bittner" 13) Re: Re[2]: First Model by gspring@ix.netcom.com (Greg Springer ) 14) Re: Re[2]: First Model by "Matt Bittner" 15) Re: Montreal and WWI by ci010@freenet.carleton.ca (Jim MacKenzie) 16) Roland pictures needed by stonto@seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu 17) Re[4]: First Model by stonto@seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu 18) Re: Roland pictures needed by "Matt Bittner" 19) Wood fuselage D.VII's by "Matt Bittner" 20) HELLER Roland by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 21) Re: Roland pictures needed by iceman@ro.com (Eli Geher) 22) Re[2]: Roland pictures needed by stonto@seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu 23) Re: HELLER Roland by stonto@seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu 24) Re[2]: Roland pictures needed by SHUSTAD@email.usps.gov 25) Off topic question by "Matt Bittner" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Apr 96 15:48:19 EDT From: Brian Nicklas To: Subject: Misc. Message-ID: <199604221946.PAA26649@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Greetings gents! I am back from a week off (Busman's Holiday in Florida) Travelled to Florida for a little Sun N Fun Airshow, a little of Kermit Weeks new place - Fantasy of Flight, and picture taking at airfields all over South Florida. Messages sent to me will be responded to, I just have to jump over all my mail. (But my Pegasus order wasn't in yet - darn!) For those who may be in central Florida, a stop at Fantasy of Flight should be mandatory. WOW! What you can do with lotsa money. I don't think Frank Ryder was thinking this grand. And since I had so many messages, a lot of my WWI stuff got zapped while transferring them into a "read" file. But I did notice something about people making fun of my beloved Bf 109. "We are not amused." Thanks for the kind words on NASM Archives. Brian Nicklas ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 96 16:07:48 EST From: "Carlos Valdes" To: wwi Subject: RE:Misc. Message-ID: <58070.carlos.valdes@conted.gatech.edu> Brian, Do tell us about Fantasy of Flight. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 15:39:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Erik Pilawskii To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Montreal and WWI Message-ID: > This question is for our Canadian friends - aye? My wife and I are going > to Montreal with another couple for a long weekend and will have some time > to do...whatever. > > For me whatever would include any intems of interest for a WWI aircraft > modeler. So - what are the plaes to see? Museums, model shops, etc? > Allan! You will be within spitting range (ok, by *Canadian* standards) of Ottowa, and the National Aviation Museum collection. See my web page for content. It is a *MUST* see, period. Cheers, Erik :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: "I have not yet, Sir, had the pleasure of your introduction-- and I suspect that I shall not have, still, after we have met...." A.T.Magnuson, M.P. .............................................................................. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 15:48:43 -0800 From: The Flying Wrench To: wwi Subject: Re: First Model Message-ID: <199604222348.PAA02362@anchor> The wrench sez: Somewhere in the dim past there was a yellow, plastic, 'Zero'. It was a great kit, but it took me half a lifetime to find out the boxtop colouring depicted the paint scheme of a captured aircraft. That was ok though, after all it WAS an airplane. The kit must have left an impression though, as I now have a small library on the Zero. Another great kit was the V-I/Ohka bomb, two-in-one kit by Hawk. I got my first one after a memorable trip to the Air Force museum in Dayton. The last example of this kit I purchased was sadly lacking the 'Greek' cross and Japanese battle flag stands of the original. Still the rest of the kit was just as I rememberd. The fondest memory though is still of that dark, green, plastic, Aurora Albatros. What a kit, wish it was still around. At the age of five it looked huge! Guess that's why I still prefer the larger scale minatures. I still find it unbelieveable that Glenco could not do as well as Aurora twenty some odd years later. One memorable item on the old Aurora kits was the logo, the Aurora on the box somehow always reminded me of sunrise over a row crop, even as a kid. Perhaps I saw a similar logo on a box of vegetables somewhere, but whatever the case, many years later, as I took off for the first job of the morning, from time to time there would be that same sunburst coming up from the row of crops I was dropping into. That sunburst always reminded me of the Aurora boxtop logo and the associated airplane kits that set me on the road ag-flying. The Flyin' Wrench HORRIDO! - I'm outta here ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 23:49:23 -0600 From: twhitley@mn.uswest.net (Tim Whitley) To: wwi Subject: Re: Paper airplanes? Message-ID: >On 19 Apr 96 at 14:53, Tim Whitley typed diligantly: > >> Enough about paper for most of you, I'm sure. Still, I'd be glad to hear >> from anyone else out there doing paper modeling. Or, for that matter, >> metal modeling as I mentioned in my first post. I do 1/144th scale ("The >> scale of rogues") in 'white metal' for miniatures gaming, though I am >> sorely tempted to get back into plastic modeling--like I need another >> hobby! [I hope my wife doesn't read this!] > >Or, the scale for those with little eye balls - and here I thought us >1/72nd types were shifty...get it? Gads, what do you rig them with, >or is Frisky hairless? Or, should that be "whisker less"? Hee. I haven't rigged any yet, though I have been tempted. For one thing, I don't know what I'd use that would look 'to scale'. Thread would look like a hawser at this scale. For another thing, the models get handled a bit taking them in and out of the mounts to place them in different attitudes. Rigging would probably get crushed. Suggestions? I didn't even rig the Zeppelin, for reasons of sturdiness. It is about 15" long, or around 1/500th scale. 'Good enough for gaming' is a less stringent ethic than 'good enough for display'. > I'm curious about your 1/144 models. Do they need to be >assembled? How accurate are they? Do they come with decals? Do you rig >them? And what rules do you use in your games? Yes, the kits have fuselage, separate wings and struts, landing gear struts, spreader bar and wheels, crew figures and machine guns. All this makes for a couple dozen pieces at most. I usually use circular-cross-section, brass rod instead of the pewter or lead struts to make the models more sturdy (though somewhat less aerodynamic!). The models come with rudimentary decals, roundels and cross patees, sometimes with a 'hat in the ring' or other personalizing touch. Are there other sources for 1/144th WWI decals? I haven't found any.... The rules we use are 'Red Baron', published in 1992 by Emperor's Headquarters of Chicago. These are simple rules as wargames go--only about 20 pages. I learned the game from the cardstock playing aids. Each turn is 7 seconds, and ground scale is 1/1200. [Therfore, each inch moved represents 10 mph ground speed--work it out!] Our group uses 4'-long altitude sticks made from dowels glued to metal bases. The planes have square-stock 1/16" brass rods running out the back of them to fit in the mounts which one of our group designed. Oops, there goes the model as a strictly good-looks display piece! Where to buy: Model Expo 800/222-3876 Mamoli (Italian) 'white metal' 1/144th scale models MV8402 Fokker Dr.I SOLD OUT! MV8404 Fokker D.VIII MV8502 Bristol Fighter MV8507 Breguet 14B Most massive, if you have a feel for this scale. MV8413 Ansaldo SVA5 MV8501 DH 4 MV8415 Nieuport 28 MV8506 Roland C.II MV8406 Pfalz D.XII MV8503 R.E.8 My best effort yet--a nice model. MV8414 Hanriot HD-1 SOLD OUT! MV8505 Hansa Brandenburg C.I [I do not guarantee that you'll be happy with the details of these models. We like to game the Brisfit for its armament--twin Lewises for the observer. The model only includes one. I stole the twins from the DH 4 and gave it back the single, rear-firing Lewis.] These are $5.88 apiece, or 12 for $4.88 apiece. S&H is an additional 10%. You could get a catalog to see pictures of these first, but Model Expo is closing them out--they don't appear in the catalog anymore! Mamoli is an Italian company. They list a dozen more titles which Model Expo never carried: Voison 3, Avro 504K, FE 8, DFW C.V, Polikarpov 2, Fiats, Macchi-Nieuports, Ansaldo Balilla (remember, it's an Italian manufcturer!), etc. Their number is (02) 33.00.24.57/33.00.35.49, which in the US, translates to 011 39 2 33 00 24 57 I haven't been able to raise an answer at these numbers, even when I rise early to beat the seven hour time difference! Maybe some of our European correspondents can find out about this company. Please let me know, if you do get an answer about other distributors...in the US or elsewhere. Another producer of lead 1/144th scale planes is Skytrex. I do not have a number for them, because I just pick them up at the local gming stores. If someone wants, I can find out a contact. Tim P.S. In case you didn't know, 'white metal' is a euphemism for pewter. Neither the term 'white metal' nor the term 'pewter' guarantees freedom from lead content. I'm old enough to know not to stick these models in my mouth, but beware if your work area is accessible to toddlers. Gamers, as a general rule, are guys with bad teeth and falling hair. It is not known if they start that way naturally, or if they get that way from working with lead figures. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Tim Whitley (( twhitley@mn.uswest.net St. Paul, MN )) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 19:12:46 +1000 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: First Model Message-ID: > > be a plus, repelling all but the well aimed BB. Its sad that so many of my > > childhood models met an honorable end at the mercy of a Daisy Red Rider BB > > Gun, but back then, model building was always fun! > > Hope you didn't shoot your eye out...;-) > Couldn't have, if he's still modelling in that tiny little scale 80) Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 19:23:52 +1000 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Old Fokker EIII Model Message-ID: Matt, > Gads, am I the only one who doesn't have bouts of MEmania? No. I am > considering an Me-109, but only a "B", Why only a "B"? 80) You could do *at least* an "E" as well..... since I want to build one from > the Spanish Civil War. Plus, they're easier to paint than their > German counterparts...;-) I presume you mean the grey ones. Now, were they overall RLM 02?... or '02 topsides/'65 undersides?....overall '63?.....'63/02?.....??? To my mind, their Luftwaffe counterparts are at least as easy to work out. Have fun! 80) Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 06:57:22 -0400 From: ci010@freenet.carleton.ca (Jim MacKenzie) To: wwi Subject: Re: Montreal and WWI Message-ID: <199604231057.GAA02508@freenet3.carleton.ca> to Montreal with another couple for a long weekend and will have some time to do...whatever. For me whatever would include any intems of interest for a WWI aircraft >modeler. So - what are the plaes to see? Museums, model shops, etc? Al - I'm not in Montreal and I'm sure you'll get replies from the YUL gang. However should the electrons fail to return any information you've got my E-mail address and a great place to start would be by contacting Jean-Marc Perreault > jmarcp@zercom.net <. Geez, right now I wish I'd gotten around to that 'set ack' business. Like I said if all else fails contact me. And as Eric [?] said the NAM in Ottawa [Rockcliffe] is a must. Cheers - Jim. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 06:47:44 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: wwi Subject: Re: First Model Message-ID: <199604230652.GAA01361@cso.com> On 23 Apr 96 at 5:11, Mick Fauchon typed diligantly: > > Hope you didn't shoot your eye out...;-) > > > > Couldn't have, if he's still modelling in that tiny little scale 80) Argh!! I was hoping someone would have gotten the movie, tongue-in-cheek reference. So, can anyone name the movie? One of the all time best movies, partially shot in the best city in the US. Matt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 08:52:42 -0400 (EDT) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Re: Montreal and WWI Message-ID: <199604231252.IAA00864@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > Al - I'm not in Montreal and I'm sure you'll get replies from the > YUL gang. However should the electrons fail to return any information > you've got my E-mail address and a great place to start would be by > contacting Jean-Marc Perreault > jmarcp@zercom.net <. Geez, right > now I wish I'd gotten around to that 'set ack' business. Like I said if > all else fails contact me. And as Eric [?] said the NAM in Ottawa > [Rockcliffe] is a must. Cheers - Jim. How far from Montreal proper is the NAM? -Al ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 09:38:01 -0400 From: SHUSTAD@email.usps.gov To: "(u)wwi" Subject: Re[2]: First Model Message-ID: <0033000001060296000002*@MHS> Argh!! I was hoping someone would have gotten the movie, tongue-in-cheek reference. So, can anyone name the movie? One of the all time best movies, partially shot in the best city in the US. (You must be refering to Minneapolis!) - The Mad Norseman! Steve H. Anyway, "The Blue Max", or "All Quiet on the Western Front" gets my vote(s). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 08:54:44 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: wwi Subject: Re: Re[2]: First Model Message-ID: <199604230859.IAA03217@cso.com> On 23 Apr 96 at 9:34, SHUSTAD@email.usps.gov typed diligantly: > > Argh!! I was hoping someone would have gotten the movie, > tongue-in-cheek reference. So, can anyone name the movie? One of > the all time best movies, partially shot in the best city in the US. > > (You must be refering to Minneapolis!) - The Mad Norseman! Steve H. > Anyway, "The Blue Max", or "All Quiet on the Western Front" gets my > vote(s). No no no. "Red Rider BB Gun" and "You'll Shoot Your Eye Out" should have given it away. Next! Matt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 07:33:31 -0700 From: gspring@ix.netcom.com (Greg Springer ) To: wwi Subject: Re: Re[2]: First Model Message-ID: <199604231433.HAA20325@dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com> You wrote: > > >No no no. "Red Rider BB Gun" and "You'll Shoot Your Eye Out" should >have given it away. Next! > > >Matt > The answer is 'A Christmas Story' starring Peter Billingsley, Darin McGavin and Melinda Dillon. Take from several short stories in a collection by Jean Shepherd entitled 'In God We Trust-All Others Pay Cash'. Where's my kewpie doll? Cheers! Greg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 09:45:47 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: wwi Subject: Re: Re[2]: First Model Message-ID: <199604230950.JAA04146@cso.com> On 23 Apr 96 at 10:34, Greg Springer typed diligantly: > The answer is 'A Christmas Story' starring Peter Billingsley, Darin > McGavin and Melinda Dillon. Take from several short stories in a > collection by Jean Shepherd entitled 'In God We Trust-All Others Pay > Cash'. Where's my kewpie doll? Now tell that Mad Norseman what the best city is - as portrayed in the movie. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 10:59:38 -0400 From: ci010@freenet.carleton.ca (Jim MacKenzie) To: wwi Subject: Re: Montreal and WWI Message-ID: <199604231459.KAA25250@freenet3.carleton.ca> > great snippage < >How far from Montreal proper is the NAM? - Al Ok - figure 2.5 hours easy drive on a 4 lane divided highway. Of course, depending on how fast you drive, how many rest stops, which route, and starting point the time may vary a bit. At least the 2.5 gives you something to work with and decide. I live in Aylmer, Quebec - about a half an hour [through town] on the other side of NAM. Cheers - Jim. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 96 08:00:26 PST From: stonto@seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu To: wwi Subject: Roland pictures needed Message-ID: <9603238302.AA830271664@SCCCGATE.seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu> I need some data --- interiors, front-n-back --- of the Roland CIII. I picked up a Heller (!) in 1/72 (Matt! I can do it really!) and just had to buy it. Anyway, I posted to rec.models.scale over the weekend and someone responded with Windsock thingies.... Anyone aware of other references? Cheaper ones too? Anybody want to photocopy theirs and mail me (make it worth your while somehow). See you all later. ----Stephen Tontoni ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 96 08:10:13 PST From: stonto@seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu To: wwi Subject: Re[4]: First Model Message-ID: <9603238302.AA830272384@SCCCGATE.seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu> I don't recall my first model. I do remember that a couple of them went down hard when my brother got a BB gun. One that suffered that fate was a 1/32 Revell Dr I. It was molded in red, so I didn't paint it. I thought that it was great that I got the wings on. Up to that point I wasn't able to manage more than a monoplane --- struts killed me. Come to think of it, they still do. Anyway, my dad tacked up some carpets in the basement to make it a shooting gallery and we destroyed that triplane PDQ. We did the same to my model of the Bismark, but that was outside. I wonder what my Dad thought about us destroying these things that he bought and we put so much time into building... ---Stephen Tontoni ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 10:13:49 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: wwi Subject: Re: Roland pictures needed Message-ID: <199604231018.KAA04602@cso.com> On 23 Apr 96 at 10:59, stonto@seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu typed diligantly: > I need some data --- interiors, front-n-back --- of the > Roland CIII. I picked up a Heller (!) in 1/72 (Matt! I can > do it really!) and just had to buy it. Anyway, I posted to > rec.models.scale over the weekend and someone responded with > Windsock thingies.... Anyone aware of other references? > Cheaper ones too? Anybody want to photocopy theirs and mail > me (make it worth your while somehow). Roland *C.III*? From *Heller*? Gads, that's the first I heard of the type, and the first I've heard that *Heller* did a WW1 job. Boggles the mind. No, sorry, no info in my database. Maybe you'll get lucky and someone else will have something. Heller Roland C.III. It still boggles the mind. And 1/72nd too! 'Sbout time! ;-) Or is the Roland C.III an after war job? Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 10:17:23 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: WW1 Modelers Subject: Wood fuselage D.VII's Message-ID: <199604231021.KAA04682@cso.com> For those researching the subject line, pick up a Schiffer book on the D.VII/Dr.I. I've got the original, in German one, so I'm not sure if there is a difference between it and the translated one. On page 29 is a picture of the Albatros built one (541/18). I know I've photocopied this for someone from another source (sorry can't remember back that far): here's your chance to get a clearer picture of it. Matt -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Matthew Bittner O- WW1 Modeler, ecto subscriber meba@cso.com PowerBuilder developer; Omaha, Nebraska Loreena McKennitt; Jewel; suddenly, tammy!; jehova waitresses Disclaimer: opinions expressed by me are mine, mine, mine! "You can fight a skunk and win, but who wants to!" - Anonymous -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 09:42:48 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: HELLER Roland Message-ID: >On 23 Apr 96 at 10:59, stonto@seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu typed diligantly: > >> I need some data --- interiors, front-n-back --- of the >> Roland CIII. I picked up a Heller (!) in 1/72 (Matt! I can >> do it really!) and just had to buy it. Anyway, I posted to >> rec.models.scale over the weekend and someone responded with >> Windsock thingies.... Anyone aware of other references? >> Cheaper ones too? Anybody want to photocopy theirs and mail >> me (make it worth your while somehow). > to which Matt responded: >Roland *C.III*? From *Heller*? Gads, that's the first I heard of >the type, and the first I've heard that *Heller* did a WW1 job. >Boggles the mind. No, sorry, no info in my database. Maybe you'll >get lucky and someone else will have something. > >Heller Roland C.III. It still boggles the mind. > >And 1/72nd too! 'Sbout time! ;-) > >Or is the Roland C.III an after war job? Relax, this is just a typo. The HELLER kit is just a re-issue of the Arifix Roland C-II. Saw one in a shop yesterday. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 10:59:25 -0500 From: iceman@ro.com (Eli Geher) To: wwi Subject: Re: Roland pictures needed Message-ID: <199604231559.KAA16277@sh1.ro.com> > I need some data --- interiors, front-n-back --- of the > Roland CIII. I picked up a Heller (!) in 1/72 (Matt! I can > do it really!) and just had to buy it. Anyway, I posted to > rec.models.scale over the weekend and someone responded with > Windsock thingies.... Anyone aware of other references? > Cheaper ones too? Anybody want to photocopy theirs and mail > me (make it worth your while somehow). > My index shows info on the Roland C.II in Windsock V6,N2 and V8,N6. Also, Air Enthusiast Quarterly N3 and WWI Aero N140 and N145. My notes indicate that the WWI AERO, 145 contains a full article. I don't recall offhand the difference between a C.II and a C.III but I find no reference to the C.III at all. A Heller kit? My understanding was that Heller had become just another label for Airfix. Its amazing that there has been an obscure WWI subject released under that label. Heller never showed much interest in the subject when they were alive. Eli Geher ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 96 09:11:26 PST From: stonto@seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu To: wwi Subject: Re[2]: Roland pictures needed Message-ID: <9603238302.AA830275983@SCCCGATE.seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu> On 23 Apr 96 at 10:59, stonto@seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu typed diligantly: > I need some data --- interiors, front-n-back --- of the > Roland CIII. I picked up a Heller (!) in 1/72 (Matt! I can > do it really!) and just had to buy it. Anyway, I posted to > rec.models.scale over the weekend and someone responded with > Windsock thingies.... Anyone aware of other references? > Cheaper ones too? Anybody want to photocopy theirs and mail > me (make it worth your while somehow). Roland *C.III*? From *Heller*? Gads, that's the first I heard of the type, and the first I've heard that *Heller* did a WW1 job. Boggles the mind. No, sorry, no info in my database. Maybe you'll get lucky and someone else will have something. Heller Roland C.III. It still boggles the mind. And 1/72nd too! 'Sbout time! ;-) Or is the Roland C.III an after war job? Methinks it is a brand new kit. Comes in a nifty blue box that I've never seen before. The store that I was at also had Spitfire MkI, Hurricane MkI (I think) and Typhoon in the same squat blue box. As for the subject at hand, the Roland (circa 1916) is molded well and has adequate detail for a mainstream WWI kit. About 30 odd pieces. Instructions are pictoral only and the sheet is new and completely different for Heller --- printed in color. I may just use the crew figures to fill up the cockpits and say the hell with detail! Decals are very basic; just the old fashioned crosses. Two are on white backgrounds. They look a bit thick. Some people say the same thing about me, so why should I criticize. I may need to replace those decals anyway. This will be a VERY fun kit albeit not a show model (what the hell, know what I mean?). By the way, it was US$4.50. I picked up the model at Ralph's Toys and Hobbies at Northgate Mall here in Seattle. For those not in the know, Northgate Mall is the first mall west of the Mississippi. Ralph's is kind of fun because they sometimes get kits like these that I don't see at other hobby stores et al. On the same trip, I got a Heller 1/440 ship -- the Atlantic Star -- in the same type of blue box etc. That looked too fun and at US$3.75, I had to play with it. And I got a Nichimo Recon plane in 1/48. Japanese of course, but I can't remember the name or type. It's a fixed landing gear, single engine monoplane with a large canopy with two seat positions. The interior is well detailed, as is the engine. ----Stephen Tontoni loves shoppin' !!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 96 09:20:47 PST From: stonto@seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu To: wwi Subject: Re: HELLER Roland Message-ID: <9603238302.AA830276535@SCCCGATE.seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu> Relax, this is just a typo. The HELLER kit is just a re-issue of the Arifix Roland C-II. Saw one in a shop yesterday. This fellow may very well be right. I don't know the difference between a CII and a CIII and I thought that it said CIII. I could be wrong. I'm at work right now so I can't go back and check right now. The level of detail here is like an Airfix kit, so it doesn't surprise me at all that this was one. My only question is this: where are the rivets? ;) I have built a lot of Heller kits in the past, and this one has less detail, but it does seem to have good quality molding and so forth as I would expect from Heller. The decals look like they are from a Matchbox kit (nail 'em on) rather than a Heller. ---Stephen Tontoni sorry to get hopes up and all that ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 12:25:01 -0400 From: SHUSTAD@email.usps.gov To: "(u)wwi" Subject: Re[2]: Roland pictures needed Message-ID: <0033000001060982000002*@MHS> FYI - No doubt that the "Heller" Roland C.II is the 1/72 Airfix kit, as the two companies share their molds to market under each others names -The Mad Norseman! On 23 Apr 96 at 10:59, stonto@seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu typed diligantly: > I need some data --- interiors, front-n-back --- of the > Roland CIII. I picked up a Heller (!) in 1/72 (Matt! I can > do it really!) and just had to buy it. Anyway, I posted to > rec.models.scale over the weekend and someone responded with > Windsock thingies.... Anyone aware of other references? > Cheaper ones too? Anybody want to photocopy theirs and mail > me (make it worth your while somehow). Roland *C.III*? From *Heller*? Gads, that's the first I heard of the type, and the first I've heard that *Heller* did a WW1 job. Boggles the mind. No, sorry, no info in my database. Maybe you'll get lucky and someone else will have something. Heller Roland C.III. It still boggles the mind. And 1/72nd too! 'Sbout time! ;-) Or is the Roland C.III an after war job? Matt meba@cso.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 14:07:34 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: WW1 Modelers Subject: Off topic question Message-ID: <199604231411.OAA09026@cso.com> Do any of our Colorado contingent know a Mike Dunlop? The reason why I'm asking is because he's selling kits for a Russian company called VVS Models, and one of these kits is of a Polikarpov I-5. TIA! Matt -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Matthew Bittner O- WW1 Modeler, ecto subscriber meba@cso.com PowerBuilder developer; Omaha, Nebraska Loreena McKennitt; Jewel; suddenly, tammy!; jehova waitresses Disclaimer: opinions expressed by me are mine, mine, mine! "As long as people kept worrying that the machines were taking over, they wouldn't notice what was really happening. Which was that the programmers were taking over." - Robert Anton Wilson -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 105 *********************