WWI Digest 103 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Latest FSM by GRBroman@aol.com 2) Re: B-1B Squadron Histories by GRBroman@aol.com 3) Re: Old Fokker EIII Model by GRBroman@aol.com 4) Re: 109 dis-ease by Ray Boorman 5) Re: Old Fokker EIII Model by Ray Boorman 6) Re: Old Fokker EIII Model by bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 7) Re: First Model by bciciora@wwa.com 8) Re: First Model by "S.M. Head" 9) Eduard Albatross D.V by lito626@aol.com (Lito626) (by way of BOEKE@bucknell.edu (Joseph R. Boeke)) 10) Anniversary by cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) 11) Re: Eduard Albatross D.V by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 12) My trip to Rosemont yesterday... by (Joseph Boeke)boeke@bucknell.edu 13) Re: Old Fokker EIII Model by gspring@ix.netcom.com (Greg Springer ) 14) First model by gspring@ix.netcom.com (Greg Springer ) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 16:42:26 -0400 From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Latest FSM Message-ID: <960420164222_474358128@emout09.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 96-04-18 05:12:52 EDT, you write: > >I do not believe that any of the other specialities have there own magazine, >(WIndsock) and beaucoup models and neat stuff coming out (datafiles). Unless >of course you count dinosaur modelers. > > Well of course the Armor community also lays claim to this with Boresight and the Museum ordnance series. BTW, the cover story for the May issue of Museum Ordnance Magazine is on the Mark VIII Heavy tank, huah. A fine, upstanding piece of (almost) WWI technology. Glen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 16:42:26 -0400 From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: B-1B Squadron Histories Message-ID: <960420164226_474358189@emout17.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 96-04-20 04:05:56 EDT, you write: >I would like to ask for your help in researching the aircraft and >histories of the current B-1B Air Force and ANG squadrons with >emphasis on the 9th and the 28th. >If you have any photos or knowledge that can get me started, I would >appreciate a note or a lead in the right direction. >Thanks for the time on the list. Matt, try the Air Force Museum at dayton. I have found the histories of various squadrons published in the Friends Bulletin (or Journal) to be especially useful. Such as the 4th Composite Squadrons O.D. DH 4 and black and white chequred SPAD VIII. They have an email address but I cant find it right now, please email directly and I will send it. HTH, Glen (grbroman@aol.com) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 16:42:29 -0400 From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Old Fokker EIII Model Message-ID: <960420164228_474358219@emout18.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 96-04-20 13:15:15 EDT, you write: >Sorry to mention the heinous 'Bf 109' word again, but has anyone started >bashing together a biplane version of this plane? It sure sounds fun. >Would you finish it in 4 or 5 color lozenge? > > The "Color Police Guide To Aircraft Markings" defintively stated that the "Verdammtversuchsdoppeldekkermesserchmitteinshundertneunvergeltungswaffenmitpo mmesfrites" ONLY appeared in the infamous twelve color Serbo-Croation Border Guards camo scheme. (PS, I dare you to translate that into anything approaching english!) Das kommt mit Grin, Ja? :) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 14:02:30 -0700 From: Ray Boorman To: wwi Subject: Re: 109 dis-ease Message-ID: <317950E6.C02@lynx.bc.ca> Mike Franklin wrote: > > OK, just to stir the pot, > > I LIKE TO MODEL THE MESSERSCHMITT BF 109, AND THE ME 109 IN ALL ITS > VERSIONS AND TYPES AND SUB TYPES. > > It was a colorful bird, with much history. > > so there, sue me! > > Later, Mike > Mike, Since I was born in England and the battle of Britain was one of the countries finest hours, you can hardly expect me to like the dreaded 109. I have just two words "Supermarine Spitfire!". But heck what the hell I have built one of them 109 thingemies. All joking aside I have never ever been able to do either Aircraft justice, so now I just won't build them. Now back to wwi. I just got the Gencoe Spad XIII. This is great French Aces decal sheet and you get a model to go with them. I have the Pfalz and Neiuport too. Great idea Decal sheets with a free model. :-) Ray Boorman (Can't spell and wont mention grammar again.) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 14:09:20 -0700 From: Ray Boorman To: wwi Subject: Re: Old Fokker EIII Model Message-ID: <31795280.17C9@lynx.bc.ca> Bill Shatzer wrote: > Ya' got it almost right - The Fokker E.III was by Aurora but was > a 'fit the box' scale, closer to 1/40 than to 1/48. It was first > issued in 1963 and was not one of Aurora's best WW1 efforts suffering > from an excess of general 'clunkeyness' and some shape problems in > several locations. Yet I remember building it and loving it as well. > Thanks Bill, That was one of those things that had bugged me for ages. Since it sounds more like a dog than an Aircraft I will leave it's memory to nostalgia and not look for one anymore! > Careful 'bout them rocking chair jokes, sonny! > > Cheers, > > -- > Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org -or- aw177@Freenet.Carleton.ca - > - Cave ab homine unius libri! - I guess I'll have to find another analogy to describe my version of written English. :-) Ray Boorman (Bad spellier and being very nice to grammar now!!) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 20:28:17 -0400 (EDT) From: bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi Subject: Re: Old Fokker EIII Model Message-ID: <199604210028.UAA25889@ns1.ptd.net> >Bill Shatzer wrote: >> Ya' got it almost right - The Fokker E.III was by Aurora but was >> a 'fit the box' scale, closer to 1/40 than to 1/48. It was first >> issued in 1963 and was not one of Aurora's best WW1 efforts suffering >> from an excess of general 'clunkeyness' and some shape problems in >> several locations. Yet I remember building it and loving it as well. >> Thanks Bill, > That was one of those things that had bugged me for ages. Since it sounds more like a dog than an >Aircraft I will leave it's memory to nostalgia and not look for one anymore! Don't give up yet! I finished one a few weeks ago that I bought at a model swap . It goes together pretty easy and the size allows for pretty easy rigging. The only problem I had with it(and trust me, I"m a pretty shitty modeler) was that the wings were so heavy that, even though they were glued properly, one keeps drooping. It destroys the head-on lines. On a different topic, I just got back from Rosemont. I had a chance to look at the new Meikraft Fokker D-II. It looks pretty good....much cleaner than some of the earlier Meikraft stuff. The wings are incredibly thin without being brittle. The fuselage looks good. Some nice photo-etched brass stuff and a great Mercedes engine. Can't say how it fits together since I also saw the Eduard Albatros D-V and could only afford one. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Apr 96 20:20 CDT From: bciciora@wwa.com To: wwi Subject: Re: First Model Message-ID: On Sat, 20 Apr 1996, Ray Boorman wrote: > Anyway has anyone got any good stories about their first model! > (The list seems a bit slow so I am sure there > are some nostalgic stories about those classic models with wings > on backwards or decals glued on!) It was a rainy day in 1959 -- I was five years old. Nothing to do. Then my father brings out this (1/48?) Viking ship model. What a great afternoon! I remember the sail was oilcloth or some such fabric, and we had no paints. I enjoyed decalling all the Vikings' shields though, and the dragon decal that went on the sail. Three or four years later I had taken up modelling in earnest, and eventually painted that ship. Even though the 70 or so models I had from my youth are mostly gone (original Revell 1/72, sob), I still have that Viking ship. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 02:01:47 -0400 From: "S.M. Head" To: wwi Subject: Re: First Model Message-ID: <9604210111.aa29754@mail.iapc.net> >On Sat, 20 Apr 1996, Ray Boorman wrote: > >> Anyway has anyone got any good stories about their first model! >> (The list seems a bit slow so I am sure there >> are some nostalgic stories about those classic models with wings >> on backwards or decals glued on!) I really have fond memories of the Aurora Swamp kit and Cave kit (anyone remeber them?). I painted all these great oldies with Testors Pla-enamel, and still remember the smell. I sure would like to get my hands on one of the "moveable" Pirates of the Caribbean kits I vaguely recall building. My first aircraft was a cheesy little Spitfire, don't remember the mark, but it had a bubble canopy and a Griffon engine. The solid wing proved to be a plus, repelling all but the well aimed BB. Its sad that so many of my childhood models met an honorable end at the mercy of a Daisy Red Rider BB Gun, but back then, model building was always fun! Ignorance is bliss! Scott Head ------------------------------ Date: 20 Apr 1996 11:10:43 -0400 From: lito626@aol.com (Lito626) (by way of BOEKE@bucknell.edu (Joseph R. Boeke)) To: wwi Subject: Eduard Albatross D.V Message-ID: <4laupj$q6b@newsbf02.news.aol.com> I just bought the Eduard Albatross D.V. It's my first WWI kit in a long time and I have a few questions on the color schemes: -Is the fuselage on the D.Va "Blitz" version silver or grey? -What is the color of the wing undersides? Is it light blue or grey? Is the color of the top wing underside the same as the bottom wing underside? -Who makes the best matches for the purple and green colors and what are the color numbers? Thanks in advance for the help. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Apr 96 12:16:38 EDT From: cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) To: wwi Subject: Anniversary Message-ID: <199604211616.MAA15156@conted.swann.gatech.edu> Hello, I just wanted to mention that today, April 21, is the 78th anniversary of the fall of Richtofen--the one historical figure who has done the most for attracting folks to WWI modeling. Maybe we should all take a look at our refrences today and give a few thoughts to him and all the others who flew and fought in the Great War. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 11:12:05 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: Eduard Albatross D.V Message-ID: lito626@aol.com (Lito626) (by way of BOEKE@bucknell.edu (Joseph R. Boeke)) inquires: >I just bought the Eduard Albatross D.V. It's my first WWI kit in a long >time and I have a few questions on the color schemes: > >-Is the fuselage on the D.Va "Blitz" version silver or grey? > The fuselage is light grey. >-What is the color of the wing undersides? Is it light blue or grey? Is >the color of the top wing underside the same as the bottom wing underside? > The wing undersides are light blue, I would assume that both wing undersides are the same shade of this color. >-Who makes the best matches for the purple and green colors and what are >the color numbers? You might be best off to mix your own. Sadly, I don't have the Methuen numbers here at the office, you can check a couple of the Windsock Datafiles for these. For those interesed in color schemes for Albatros fighters from Jasta 5, there was a nice little piece written on this in the November 1971 issue of Scale Models by Peter Gray with assistance from one Hans Joachim von Hippel, who was alive at the time. This article states that the Blitz marked Albatros D-Va he flew bore a black blitz arrow, in contrast to a number of publications and at least one full size reproduction which have the "Blitz" in red. There have been several posts reminiscing about first models. My first kits were given to me on my 6th birthday in 1962, a Renwal "Blue Print" series kit of the U.S.S. North Carolina WWII battle ship and Jo Han kit of a 1962 Plymouth. I built the ship first with plenty of Testors Pla-enamel covering the bottom of that full hull. It resided proudly on my dresser and took many spills into the floor as a result. Each time I resolutely gathered up all of the scattered pieces and put it all back together again, using plenty of Testors tube glue. I don't have too many memories of the Plymouth, but every time I got to a modelling swap meet here in Colorado and see the stuff being hawked by car modelers, I wish I still had it, it would have to be worth at least a few $$$. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 14:08:58 -0500 From: (Joseph Boeke)boeke@bucknell.edu To: " List, WWI Modelling" Subject: My trip to Rosemont yesterday... Message-ID: I got a chance to stop in and see Barry at Rosemont yesterday (and drop some cash :) A couple of interesting developments to report... 1) He has installed the 220 volt lines in the work room, so he will be back in business as far as casting/vac forming goes. He told me the first vac that he will be doing is the Drachen (yipee!!!), he also has plans to do a RN Camel lighter (too bad for me, as I am nearly done with my scratchbuilt one). The lighter could probably be used for a Felixstowe lighter too (since they were based on the same hull). Further down the line is an allied 4 finned gas bag. I suspect that production will start by May 1st. 2) I saw test shots of Roseparts new 1/72 Nieport 11 (resin) kit. Barry said that it shouldn't cost more than $13 for the kit. The reason the cost is down, is because he is using the mold for the Bebe fuselage that is already done (for the Esci conversion kit), and took a "short-cut" on the wing (I didn't catch it until he mentioned it to me). Looks like a nice kit at the right price (Matt will probably buy a bunch of them :) A couple of other things, Barry is not going to Nationals (not cost effective), but will be at the WWI Aviation Historian's convention in Washington DC. He told me that he is selling a whole boat load of Albatros products (hence the recent shortages). I got a look at the latest Miekraft kits the D.I & B.III. They were okay, but I didn't want to drop $20 on each so I passed (Barry had at least 20 of each). The biggest news (well maybe), is that Rosemont will have a Web page soon. >From what Barry said, it will be an upgraded version of his catalog/flyers, with weekly hot sheets, and other stuff (he mentioned that he would have his master list of 1/72nd WWI kits as a download :). He didn't give me a firm date, but I think it should be up before June. On the downside, Barry will continue NOT to have an e-mail address. He feels (and I think he is justified -- but I am still bummed) that he dosn't want to spend the rest of his life answering e-mail questions (after all, Rosemont is his business). I suppose it is just as easy to call him (but placing e-mail orders would have been nice -- especially since he already knows my credit card #). He also said that he hasn't talked to Matt in several days, so he must be busy at work :) C'ya, Joe +==================================+===================================+ | Joseph R. Boeke | | | Manager, Prospect Information | Things may come to those that | | Bucknell University | wait, but only the things left by | | (717) 524-3200 | those that hustle. | | (717) 524-3610 (fax) | -- Abraham Lincoln | | boeke@bucknell.edu | | +======================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 11:56:59 -0700 From: gspring@ix.netcom.com (Greg Springer ) To: wwi Subject: Re: Old Fokker EIII Model Message-ID: <199604211856.LAA12623@dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com> I accept the challenge! You wrote: >The "Color Police Guide To Aircraft Markings" defintively stated that the >"Verdammtversuchsdoppeldekkermesserchmitteinshundertneunvergeltungswaff enmitpo >mmesfrites" ONLY appeared in the infamous twelve color Serbo-Croation Border >Guards camo scheme. (PS, I dare you to translate that into anything >approaching english!) >Das kommt mit Grin, Ja? :) > I translate as follows: 'Damned experimental biplane Me 109 vengeance weapon with french fries.' Ganz und gar ungewohnlich! Yes, I too confess to recurring bouts of MEmania! Border? What border? Cheers! Greg ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 12:18:35 -0700 From: gspring@ix.netcom.com (Greg Springer ) To: wwi Subject: First model Message-ID: <199604211918.MAA11660@dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com> Hello all! My first model was the Aurora 'Albatross D-3'(original boxtop name). My mom bought it at Jennings-Shepperd, a combination hardware, sporting goods, gun store and hobby shop (what a combination!) in Roanoke Va.. I assembled it on the dining room table in one afternoon with some parental guidance using Testor's tube glue (yellow tube) and one of the lessons learned was what model glue did to varnished wood surfaces! My first attempt at an authentic scheme came a couple years later when I painted the undersides of a P40 that was molded in OD (Aurora?) with the grey laquer touch-up paint that was supposed to be used on our two-tone '56 Olds 88. It worked quite well! Cheers! Greg ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 103 *********************