WWI Digest 102 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) NASM Archives (Re: Sperry Messenger) by "Joseph R. Boeke" 2) Off topic question by "Matt Bittner" 3) Re: Off topic question by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 4) Re: NASM Archives (Re: Sperry Messenger) by "Joseph R. Boeke" 5) B-1B Squadron Histories by "Capt Glenn" 6) Re: Off topic question by "Tomas E. Tirado K" 7) Re: Availability of Strutz (?) by DavidL1217@aol.com 8) Re: Off topic question by DavidL1217@aol.com 9) Re: Availability of Strutz (?) by cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) 10) Re: Paper airplanes? by cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) 11) Re: B-1B Squadron Histories by NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) 12) Re: Paper airplanes? by NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) 13) Re: 109 dis-ease (was RE: Where are we all?) by Ray Boorman 14) Re: Availability of Strutz (?) by Ray Boorman 15) Coloring Book! by The Flying Wrench 16) Re: Off topic question by "S.M. Head" 17) Old Fokker EIII Model by Ray Boorman 18) Re: Old Fokker EIII Model by Jesse Thorn 19) Re: 109 dis-ease by modlctzn@pacificrim.net (Mike Franklin) 20) Re: 109 dis-ease by cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) 21) Re: Old Fokker EIII Model by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 16:17:46 -0400 From: "Joseph R. Boeke" To: wwi Subject: NASM Archives (Re: Sperry Messenger) Message-ID: <9604192015.AA21013@coral.bucknell.edu> In response to Scott Head's message, Rob wrote: >Have you tried the Smithsonian for Sperry Messenger info? I >seem to remember something in the old Annals of Flight series. >Their archives at the Gerber facility in Silver Hill also have >lots of material. They will research for you (for a fee). I just wanted to relay a little story to you. A couple of weeks ago, I e-mailed NASM a research request. I asked them if they could provide me with a list of photos of USN Caproni Ca.46s (I am planning to model one at some point). A couple of days ago, I received a large envelope from NASM, with several snapshots (on thermal type paper) from a phot disc that NASM has. The pictures aren't great, but they provide enough detail to direct me to the ones that I really want to order (NASM will print photos for a fee for non-profit use -- for profit use jacks the price up quite a bit). I also received several photocopies of C&C articles on the Capronis in U.S. service, as well as some GA drawings of the Caproni 600 (which refered to the machine's HP) and a couple of other goodies. All great research material. This is a case of how our US governmet works (and made me feel a little bit better about all of the tax that I just got done paying :) I strongly encourage anyone researching US aviation topics to contact NASM (they probably have good collections of non-US stuff too). This is also to say thatnks to Brian, who probably had nothing to do with my particular request, but works at NASM none-the-less. I am glad to heap praises on your organization (and yes, I will be making a contribution to the new NASM wing :) - Joe +==================================+===================================+ | Joseph R. Boeke | | | Manager, Prospect Information | Towering genius disdains a beaten | | Bucknell University | path, it seeks regions hitherto | | (717) 524-3200 | unknown. | | (717) 524-3610 (fax) | -- Abraham Lincoln | | boeke@bucknell.edu | | +======================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 15:31:45 -0500 From: "Matt Bittner" To: WW1 Modelers Subject: Off topic question Message-ID: <199604191536.PAA28753@cso.com> Anybody know who makes (or made) a Seversky P-35 in 1/72nd? Thanks! We now return you to discussions of the WW1 variety... Matt -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Matthew Bittner O- WW1 Modeler, ecto subscriber meba@cso.com PowerBuilder developer; Omaha, Nebraska Loreena McKennitt; Jewel; suddenly, tammy!; jehova waitresses Disclaimer: opinions expressed by me are mine, mine, mine! "We devour those who would subdue us." - Morticia Addams, Addams Family Values -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 15:08:54 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: Off topic question Message-ID: >Anybody know who makes (or made) a Seversky P-35 in 1/72nd? Thanks! > >We now return you to discussions of the WW1 variety... > > >Matt > Rare Planes ??? an old vac kit ?? Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 16:58:03 -0400 From: "Joseph R. Boeke" To: " List, WWI Modelers" Subject: Re: NASM Archives (Re: Sperry Messenger) Message-ID: <9604192055.AA26832@coral.bucknell.edu> At 03:24 PM 4/19/96 -0500, Matt Bitner wrote: >> I just wanted to relay a little story to you. A couple of weeks ago, I >> e-mailed NASM a research request.... > >What was the address you used? Thanks. Matt asked, because I forgot to include the important stuff in my post... NASMARCH@SIVM.SI.EDU You must include a specific request, and your complete name, address and phone number (or they will not answer you). You should get a form e-mail back (saying we got your note), and then you have to wait. No e-mail replys, only snail mail (but it was worth it for me). Try not to inundate them with requests (this is a trial service according to the literature I have seen). I also know that the National Archives will do the same (but, I don't know if they have an e-mail request line yet) for pictures of ships, tanks, etc... (I am itching to build that railway gun in 1/72!!!) C'ya, Joe +==================================+===================================+ | Joseph R. Boeke | | | Manager, Prospect Information | Towering genius disdains a beaten | | Bucknell University | path, it seeks regions hitherto | | (717) 524-3200 | unknown. | | (717) 524-3610 (fax) | -- Abraham Lincoln | | boeke@bucknell.edu | | +======================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 16:55:07 CDT From: "Capt Glenn" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: B-1B Squadron Histories Message-ID: <213BD1269@bs28.dyess.af.mil> I'm new to your list & have enjoyed it so far. I try to build plastic models along with my son in what little spare time I have. Currently I'm assigned as an Instructor Pilot in Rockwell's B-1B at the 'B-1 Schoolhouse' Flying Training Unit ----The 28th Bomb Squadron -"Mohawks" and was previously in ---The 9th Bomb Squadron -"Bats" The other SQs are the 34th, 37th, and the 77th on active duty and 2 in the ANG in KS and GA. I would like to ask for your help in researching the aircraft and histories of the current B-1B Air Force and ANG squadrons with emphasis on the 9th and the 28th. If you have any photos or knowledge that can get me started, I would appreciate a note or a lead in the right direction. Thanks for the time on the list. "Fly By Night" Matt Glenn, Capt, USAF 28 BS, 7 WG, Dyess AFB, TX ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 21:42:44 -0700 From: "Tomas E. Tirado K" To: wwi Subject: Re: Off topic question Message-ID: <199604200442.VAA20836@adinet.com.uy> At 16:39 19/04/96 -0400, you wrote: >Anybody know who makes (or made) a Seversky P-35 in 1/72nd? Thanks! > >We now return you to discussions of the WW1 variety... > > >Matt > Dear Matt The following kits: Czech Master resins CMR 257 16,99 about usd 25,50 Rareplane RP 01007 3,50 about usd 5,30 probably You can get from Hannant's, London, I think you can deduct VAT from this prices regards Tom -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Tomas E. Tirado K - Eng.,45,5 childs, 1/700 Ship modeler, 1/72 WWI, tomasetk@adinet.com.uy WWII Luftwaffe, USNavy WWII to present IPMS-Uruguay active member TT-hobbies owner (only one year in business, but growing everyday) Phone/Fax Nr.(598) 38 58403 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 21:22:22 -0400 From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Availability of Strutz (?) Message-ID: <960419212221_194603898@emout14.mail.aol.com> Strutz is available from Skybirds 86. They also make some fine limited issue kits. Mike Eckock (sp?) is the proprieter. Nice chap ex-De Havilland engineer. Just released DFW CV and Rumpler CIV (resin mit Strutz) His kits are well executed and a bit different in lay out. (ie well engineered) Next kits, per Mike, AGO CIII (!) and Albatros CX (!!) He only sells direct. Their address? Skybirds '86 ( Note the English habit of properly using the apostrophe!) Orchard House, Chetnole Sherborne, Dorset DT9 6PE Great Britain Phone: 011 44 1935 872182 ( US dialing ) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 21:27:20 -0400 From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Off topic question Message-ID: <960419212719_194607458@emout18.mail.aol.com> Sever the sky Czech masters and this was copied by Meikraft (remember him?) The Czech masters would be a better way to go. Contact Aviation USK. For as they say, "Usk and you shall receive...." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 96 21:52:53 EDT From: cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) To: wwi Subject: Re: Availability of Strutz (?) Message-ID: <199604200152.VAA13869@conted.swann.gatech.edu> Hey all, If you're looking for Strutz or Contrail in the States, try Sopwith Hobbies of Miami, Fla. As their name implies, they specialize in WWI aircraft stuff. They are mail-order only and have everything from kits and decals to the aforementioned products and even rigging wire in several scales (I just placed an order for some, among other things). Their phone/fax # is (305) 665-5730. A catalog is available for $1.50. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 96 22:02:34 EDT From: cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) To: wwi Subject: Re: Paper airplanes? Message-ID: <199604200202.WAA13894@conted.swann.gatech.edu> Tim, I'm curious about your 1/144 models. Do they need to be assembled? How accurate are they? Do they come with decals? Do you rig them? And what rules do you use in your games? Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 23:02:23 EDT From: NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) To: wwi Subject: Re: B-1B Squadron Histories Message-ID: <096.06420162.NPWE28A@prodigy.com> First place I'd try would be the Air University Library at Maxwell AFB, Montgomery, Alabama. Ken Hagerup ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 23:02:29 EDT From: NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) To: wwi Subject: Re: Paper airplanes? Message-ID: <096.06420175.NPWE28A@prodigy.com> Tim, I've built a few paper models (a castle and some space shuttles) and share your affection for the medium. I'm also excited about airships; I'm building Revell's 1/720 Hindenburg, and working on the master for a resin 1/700 K class USN blimp. What did you use for plans for your L-9? How did you accomplish the effect of the ribs and stringers? The gondolas? Engines? Ken Hagerup ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 20:19:32 -0700 From: Ray Boorman To: wwi Subject: Re: 109 dis-ease (was RE: Where are we all?) Message-ID: <317857C4.5AE0@lynx.bc.ca> stonto@seaccc.sccd.ctc.edu wrote: > > Gives me an idea; I wonder if its been done.... maybe for > one of those "flights of fancy" categories at the shows I > should bring in a Bf109 biplane. (Hell, they really did it > with the Hurricane and the upper wing was a huge gas tank!) > I could cobble together two 109 kits to do it. I would add > fixed landing gear and lots of rigging of course. This > could be a beautiful thing. I would probably use Spanish > Civil War markings --- Legion Condor. Plus what armament to > use? I guess 2 7.9mm's firing through the propellor arc > Hey this is a good idea of course it would have to be the Bf109 F1 or DR1 and how about three wings. Bright Red in the Markings of JG 51!. Or you could paint it pale blue / or standard Fokker colors with a moustache and then we could all argue about the markings at the time this particular aircraft was shot down:-) Only partly joking, it would really make a talking point at any show! Ray Boorman (Urghh he woke up in a c9old sweat. Oh no its the Dreaded 109 nightmare again!!!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 20:31:09 -0700 From: Ray Boorman To: wwi Subject: Re: Availability of Strutz (?) Message-ID: <31785A7D.1701@lynx.bc.ca> Mike Franklin wrote: > > Strutz is carried in stock and is avasilable by mail from: > > Burnaby Hobbies > 5209 Rumble Street > Burnaby, B.C., Canada V5J 2B7 > Phone (604)437-8217 Fax (604)437-8605 > > I don't know the price, but an enquiry would reveal all. > > Burnaby Hobbies is owned and run by John Tarvin, whom some of you may > remember as the maker of the Airframe line of vacuform kits. Not bad > for their time, and the Rumpler Taube and Short 184 in 1/72 scale > are still the best examples of those subjects. > > With the exchange rate for Canadian Dollars what it is, Buying in > Canada can be a wise move. > > Later, MikeThe last time I bought Strutz it was about 9.50 cdn. I didnt know about John being the maker of Airframe. However Burnaby Hobbies has my vote as the best Model shop in the Vancouver area. I get my Windsock thru them and various models. They always have interesting books and models, plus they are real nice people too. I guess I could buy some stuff a bit cheaper but a shop as good as Burnaby Hobbies needs to be kept in business! Ray Boorman (In no way connected with any hobby shop). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 19:58:10 -0800 From: The Flying Wrench To: wwi Subject: Coloring Book! Message-ID: <199604200358.TAA12440@anchor> The Wrench sez: I was making the rounds at the airport today, posting flyers for the sale of my T-crate. Stopping by the local avionics shop, I passed by the book rack and found a great colouring book of WWI aircraft! The book is: 'Carlo Demand AIRPLANES OF WORLD WAR I Coloring book', Dover Publications, Inc. NewYork, ISBN 0-486-23807-5. The last time I remember this much excitment over a book was when I first found out about the existance of Playboy magazine. The book (coloring not Playboy) has 41 wonderful line drawings of WWI aircraft in acton with pilots in the cockpits. Each drawing is supplimented with a brief description and suggested colouring scheme for the aircraft. The drawings include some of some of the great WWI aircraft like the Roland LFG CII, Caudron G3, Aviatik D.I, Pfalz DIII, and Halberstadt CL.II as well as the old standbys like the Nieuport 17, Spad XIII, Eindeker and surprise, surprise, the airplane no reference of WWI would be complete without - Ta Ta - The DRI! The nice twist with this drawing is the suggested colouring scheme: "The airplane (von Richtofen's) was coloured blue throughout with red engine cowling and wheel discs. The iron cross was painted black on a white square. White was the colour of the rudder" Ha! Bet none of you experts knew MvR's real colouring scheme did ya? It would have been even better if author had known he was actually referring to Voss's tripe, then I could say - I have proof of Voss's aircraft paint scheme - my coloring book sez so! Should anyone dare refute such an unassailable source, I would simply open the book to the correct page and show them a beautifully, crayon coloured picture of Voss's blue tripe - take that you dasterdly fellows! Interestingly, the rest of the description is fairly accurate: "Produced in small quantities, the Fokker Triplane enjoyed a short vogue among the most experienced German pilots near the end of the war. Despite its slowness, it had excellent maneuverability and was extremely durable; Manfred von Richtofen was killed when his Fokker Triplane crashed near the French town of Sailly-le-Sac (sic)". Now I never was much for colouring books, but I really like a simple line drawings for my computer's desktop. Photos and the like slow down the system too much and take up two much memory. When scanned, these drawings will make a great wallpaper for my desktop and can be coloured in cyberspace with 'Paint Shop Pro' or the like and forty-one drawings equals a new desktop drawing every 1.2 weeks. In my book, two seventy-five is a great deal for forty one action drawings of WWI aircraft, and it's cheaper than an issue of Playboy! (Not to mention being far more acceptable to your wife). TALLY HO! - 109's in the sun! We're outta' here. The Flying Wrench ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 00:58:05 -0400 From: "S.M. Head" To: wwi Subject: Re: Off topic question Message-ID: <9604192341.aa20570@mail.iapc.net> >Anybody know who makes (or made) a Seversky P-35 in 1/72nd? Thanks! > >We now return you to discussions of the WW1 variety... > > >Matt Rareplanes makes a vac (I think), and Czechmaster has had one on the list for years. Hobbycraft's 1/48s are gems though, if you can't find one elsewhere. Hope this helps. Scott Head Statement- "The internet is like an unending tree of sprue, linking one component to the next..." -- Newsgroup post Reply: "That's stretching it." -- Shot Cadet ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 09:30:00 -0700 From: Ray Boorman To: wwi Subject: Old Fokker EIII Model Message-ID: <31791108.3C0F@lynx.bc.ca> Back when I was a kid (late 60's) I got a Fokker E III for my Birthday. I am pretty sure it was by Aurora and it seemed big to me at the time so it must have been in 1/48 scale or larger. Anyway this was one of the first models that I built. I actually finished it and painted it as well. Must have been begginers luck because my parents thought my older brother had built it for me. It did not have engraved markings and from memory it seemed as if it was a decent model (We are talking the memory of a 9 year old so it may have been a real dog for all I cared). Anyway can anyone tell me if I have the scale and manufacturer correct. I have looked for one of these for the last few years, but no one seems to have heard of this particular model being produced by Aurora. Anyway has anyone got any good stories about their first model! (The list seems a bit slow so I am sure there are some nostalgic stories about those classic models with wings on backwards or decals glued on!) Ray Boorman (Cant spell and grammar is someone who sits in a rocking chair) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 13:11:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Jesse Thorn To: wwi Subject: Re: Old Fokker EIII Model Message-ID: On Sat, 20 Apr 1996, Ray Boorman wrote: > Anyway has anyone got any good stories about their first model! (The list seems a bit slow so I am sure there > are some nostalgic stories about those classic models with wings on backwards or decals glued on!) I think it was in 1959 - the candy apple red 1/48 Aurora Bf 109. I don;t know how many of these things I made but I sure liked the color of the plastic! I bought them at a small mom&pop hardware store in Pittsburgh and added decorations like blue spots and green stripes. Talk about Easter Egg schemes. Sorry to mention the heinous 'Bf 109' word again, but has anyone started bashing together a biplane version of this plane? It sure sounds fun. Would you finish it in 4 or 5 color lozenge? --Jesse ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 10:58:05 -0700 From: modlctzn@pacificrim.net (Mike Franklin) To: wwi Subject: Re: 109 dis-ease Message-ID: <199604201758.KAA06614@olympic.pacificrim.net> OK, just to stir the pot, I LIKE TO MODEL THE MESSERSCHMITT BF 109, AND THE ME 109 IN ALL ITS VERSIONS AND TYPES AND SUB TYPES. It was a colorful bird, with much history. so there, sue me! Later, Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------- | _________________________|__________________________ | | | \ | / | | | "BEWARE THE PUN | ______\_O_O_/______ | | | IN THE SUN!" | / \ | | | annon. | (((((((+))))))) | | | ______|____________\_____/_____________|______ | | / \ | | []/_______\[] | | [] [] | | Mike Franklin is modlctzn@pacificrim.net | ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Apr 96 15:27:41 EDT From: cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) To: wwi Subject: Re: 109 dis-ease Message-ID: <199604201927.PAA14467@conted.swann.gatech.edu> > > OK, just to stir the pot, > > I LIKE TO MODEL THE MESSERSCHMITT BF 109, AND THE ME 109 IN ALL ITS > VERSIONS AND TYPES AND SUB TYPES. > > It was a colorful bird, with much history. > > so there, sue me! > > Later, Mike > Mike, It takes a brave fellow to say this around this here mailing list |-). Let me just say that I concur with your sentiment. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 12:25:15 -0700 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Old Fokker EIII Model Message-ID: <199604201925.AA05715@ednet1.orednet.org> Ray Boorman wrote: > >Back when I was a kid (late 60's) I got a Fokker E III for my Birthday. I am pretty sure it was by Aurora and >it seemed big to me at the time so it must have been in 1/48 scale or larger. Anyway this was one of the first >models that I built. I actually finished it and painted it as well. Must have been begginers luck because my >parents thought my older brother had built it for me. It did not have engraved markings and from memory it >seemed as if it was a decent model (We are talking the memory of a 9 year old so it may have been a real dog >for all I cared). >Anyway can anyone tell me if I have the scale and manufacturer correct. I have looked for one of these for the >last few years, but no one seems to have heard of this particular model being produced by Aurora. > Ya' got it almost right - The Fokker E.III was by Aurora but was a 'fit the box' scale, closer to 1/40 than to 1/48. It was first issued in 1963 and was not one of Aurora's best WW1 efforts suffering from an excess of general 'clunkeyness' and some shape problems in several locations. Yet I remember building it and loving it as well. The Aurora E.III was later reissued in the K&B "Collector's Series" in the early '70's. Presumably Glencoe has the molds now with the other surviving Aurora WW1 kit molds they purchased although, given its decidedly odd scale, a reissue by Glencoe may not be in the cards. >Anyway has anyone got any good stories about their first model! (The list seems a bit slow so I am sure there >are some nostalgic stories about those classic models with wings on backwards or decals glued on!) Ah yes, the bright blue Aurora Spitfire, the garish yellow Zero, and the neon red Bf-109 - damn, kits are so dull and GREY now-a-days. My favorite, though, was the Aurora XF-90 (the same plane piloted by the intrepid Blackhawk in the classic comic book of the same name) which could actually be balanced in a vertical position on its tail planes, thus allowing simulated vertical take-offs. Damn, that thing looked cool! :-) Or, how 'bout the MPC reissues of the Airfix bi-planes which came with 'customizing' decals in perhaps the world's most stupid attempt to match the 'customizing' decals included with the hot rod car kits? I seem to recall a Hannover kit done with checkerboards, flames, and giant racing stripes. I may have even stuck on an STP logo from a car decal sheet. Kit manufacturers just got no imagination any more! >Ray Boorman (Cant spell and grammar is someone who sits in a rocking chair) > Careful 'bout them rocking chair jokes, sonny! Cheers, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org -or- aw177@Freenet.Carleton.ca - - Cave ab homine unius libri! - ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 102 *********************